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Now there you go, lying about what I said. I said, IF you are Saved, you got SAVED before you ever got wet in the waters of baptism; or when you went to get baptized, you were a dry sinner, and came out to the waters of baptism, just a wet sinner. AND I HAVE ALWAYS SAID Water Baptism is a necessary STEP in our Christian WALK of Obedience. By not walking in Obedience you prove you NEVER KNEW HIM in the first place. That expression "KNEW HIM" or "KNOW HIM", is another way to say BORN AGAIN.
we are saved by grace through faith...when you understand that everything will become clear...the grace of God brings us to repentance, faith is the way to access the grace of God...the beginning of your faith in Christ is repent and be baptised unto the remission of sins and you shall receive the HS....If you don't believe that then you don't believe Christ...
seems like you don't know what it means to be saved by grace through faith either...
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Hebrews 11:6
But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
No New, it is you that does not KNOW HIM, nor the true meaning of that verse. It really means, we were saved, ONLY BY HIS EFFORTS, and WE DID NOT DESERVE ANY PART OF HIS GRACE.
Romans 5:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God proves His own love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us!
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, since we have now been declared righteous by His blood, we will be saved through Him from wrath.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, ⌊then how⌋ much more, having been reconciled, will we be saved by His life!
The part of Eph. 2:8 that you FAILED read or just plain ignored, so that you can make your false doctrine of works seem right in your eyes, is this:
Ephesians 2:8-10 (HCSB)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For you are saved by grace through faith, and this is not from yourselves; it is God’s gift—
[SUP]9 [/SUP] not from works, so that no one can boast.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For we are His creation, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared ahead of time so that we should walk in them.
NO, faith is part of the GIFT OF GOD that you do not deserve and cannot earn, never will think it up if HE DID NOT GIVE FAITH TO YOU. You just described Head Knowledge and called it faith. Genuine FAITH is Heart knowledge of HIM personally. The distance between false faith and genuine faith is the exact same as the distance between what is in your head and what is in your heart.
Repent and come to KNOW HIM PERSONALLY.
Romans 3:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] as it is written: There is no one righteous, not even one.
Romans 3:23-24 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
Isaiah 53:6 (ASV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and Jehovah hath laid on Him the iniquity of us all.
Romans 7:17-20 (NASB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I want, I do not do, but I practice the very evil that I do not want.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But if I am doing the very thing I do not want, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me.
I think you have a serious problem of NOT KNOWING WHAT ALL GOD CONSIDERS SIN!
I think you have lowered God's standards to something you can do, and falsely think you are righteous,
just like the Pharisees did.
Allow me to open your eyes:
Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
If we have that loving FAITH, the HOLY SPIRIT gave it to us.
I know you want to believe you had a little something to do with your FAITH and deserving to be SAVED but that is not what Paul said:
Romans 7:16-25 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP] I thank God--through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
GRACE = RECEIVING WHAT WE DO NOT DESERVE, AND CANNOT EARN.
MERCY = NOT RECEIVING WHAT WE DO DESERVE.
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Aren't you going to define Faith? Or is it the same as Grace in your mind? 
I think we are incapable of having faith without God's Grace--but Grace and Faith are still two different things? I don't know what you think though?
None of us deserve to be saved, I'm 99% sure Jesusismyrock doesn't dispute that fact--WHO can say that we "earned" our salvation???
I think we are incapable of having faith without God's Grace--but Grace and Faith are still two different things? I don't know what you think though?
None of us deserve to be saved, I'm 99% sure Jesusismyrock doesn't dispute that fact--WHO can say that we "earned" our salvation???
Aren't you going to define Faith? Or is it the same as Grace in your mind?
I think we are incapable of having faith without God's Grace--but Grace and Faith are still two different things? I don't know what you think though?
None of us deserve to be saved, I'm 99% sure Jesusismyrock doesn't dispute that fact--WHO can say that we "earned" our salvation???
I think we are incapable of having faith without God's Grace--but Grace and Faith are still two different things? I don't know what you think though?
None of us deserve to be saved, I'm 99% sure Jesusismyrock doesn't dispute that fact--WHO can say that we "earned" our salvation???
Faith is the ability to believe and TRUST in HIM as LORD and HIS WORD.
IT ALL SPAWNS OUT OF THE LOVE of GOD, that the Holy Spirit poured {planted} in our hearts; we do not get to pat ourselves on the back for any of it.
Romans 5:5 (NKJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
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Aren't you going to define Faith? Or is it the same as Grace in your mind?
I think we are incapable of having faith without God's Grace--but Grace and Faith are still two different things? I don't know what you think though?
None of us deserve to be saved, I'm 99% sure Jesusismyrock doesn't dispute that fact--WHO can say that we "earned" our salvation???
I think we are incapable of having faith without God's Grace--but Grace and Faith are still two different things? I don't know what you think though?
None of us deserve to be saved, I'm 99% sure Jesusismyrock doesn't dispute that fact--WHO can say that we "earned" our salvation???
you speak this way because you have not been delivered from sin ...look at your quotes...how can sin dwell in you if you have been purged from sin?....
2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Romans 6:15-18King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
2 Peter 1:9
But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins.
John 8:34
Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.
Acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
Romans 6:15-18King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
when were you declared righteous?......when was your sin remitted?
The HS is the promise of Christ dwelling in us....
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Peter answered them, “All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Yeshua Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift. [SUP]39 [/SUP]This promise belongs to you and to your children and to everyone who is far away. It belongs to everyone who worships the Lord our God.”
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Peter said much more to warn them. He urged, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
The HS is the promise of Christ dwelling in us....
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Peter answered them, “All of you must turn to God and change the way you think and act, and each of you must be baptized in the name of Yeshua Christ so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will receive the Holy Spirit as a gift. [SUP]39 [/SUP]This promise belongs to you and to your children and to everyone who is far away. It belongs to everyone who worships the Lord our God.”
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Peter said much more to warn them. He urged, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP]If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
while you hold fast to vs 8 and 10....the real power is in vs 9....but you don't believe that you can be cleansed from all unrighteousness....
[SUP]9 [/SUP]If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
while you hold fast to vs 8 and 10....the real power is in vs 9....but you don't believe that you can be cleansed from all unrighteousness....