Hell

jdbear · Oct 2, 2014

I'm not a proponent of eternal suffering, but what do you think of these?

"And*Abraham*planted a grove in Beersheba, and called there on the name of the LORD, the everlasting (owlam) God." Ge.21:33

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting (aionios) life.

Radius · Oct 2, 2014

jdbear said:

well then, by going what what the eternal nay sayers have said, we will not have eternal life with God. Interesting.

jdbear · Oct 2, 2014

Radius said:

From what I gather, words are defined by context and passages dealing with the same subject should be compared, so I guess we will have eternal life with God and all evildoers will be destroyed.

ColinCat · Oct 3, 2014

Blain said:

First off a dream could not have done what it did to me, when I fell asleep that night I was in a pure white place and I saw someone go through a door and I knew I was to follow I knew i was to be shown something. the second i entered that door I was in hell instantly the heat and humidity made me sweat so much my shirt stuck to my skin and the thirst was terrible my lips and throat were bone parched to my left I saw the lake of fire and above it a group of ppl in a cage who at a random time would be dropped into the lake.

To my right I saw there was jesus sitting in a chair waiting for me, I quickly came to him and sat in his lap. He smiled at me and I looked in front of us there was a place that looked like ancient ruins where a person in hell would live and at a random time a demon would come and attack them. I saw a man there who looked as if he had accepted his fate as if he deserved it and I took pity upon him. I then looked to Jesus and wanted to ask for water as I was thirsty but I instead asked for bread and from under his chair he took bread as if by magic. I saw he looked hungry and as he tried to give it to me I said no Lord you shouldnt have to suffer and tried to give it back to him but he insisted on me taking it so I did. when I did the demon I spoke of came to attack this man and the demon looked exactly like the demon from alien vs predator, it saw me and came running towards me I became afraid and hid my head into Jesus arms and he held on so tightly it almost hurt.

The demon went away but suddenly I was taken by something into the cage with the ppl who would get dropped into the lake of fire, it began to fall but I trusted Jesus and called out his name. as soon as I did we were no longer in hell we were walking on a path together and I asked him if the me being taken into the cage was a test of my faith and he nodded yes, we then came to three men and I excitedly said hey look its Jesus! and they said yea right, he then began walking to them saying my brothers have you lost your faith? they then suddenly turned into this horrible demon and took me and Jesus became very angry and said let him go but the demon began to fly away with me to make me into a part of something called the unholy trinity whatever that is as I have never heard of this until then. as it flew away with me I still trusted God I said to myself God would not have created me to be consumed by a demon.

You can judge for yourself about my dream but when you get to meet Jesus himself and he saves you when you call out his name and he protects you from demons and from hell fire and gives you food when you ask how could this be from the enemy?

I'm going with a dream. Just a dream.

Why go immediately for the supernatural explanation when there's a much simpler natural explanation?

I don't doubt you experienced what you did.

But when people go to sleep, they dream. To throw that existing, proven fact out the window in favour of a supernatural natural explanation is outrageous.

john832 · Oct 3, 2014

Butch5 said:

Very succinct and accurate.

Cycel · Oct 3, 2014

jdbear said:

I don't understand your point with this passage. Abraham was a businessman. He planted an olive grove perhaps? What's this tell us about the goodness of God? Anything?

jdbear said:

What of the Amazonian tribes who for thousands of years did not believe in Jesus? What was their fate? Did they still go to Heaven?

john832 · Oct 3, 2014

Cycel said:

Their fate is to come up in the Great White Throne Judgment, hear the truth, have 100 years to respond and then be judged...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

The books being opened to them at this time are the 66 books of the Bible.

TruthisPower · Oct 3, 2014

If anyone thinks that GOD tortures anyone in HELL then you do not know God and are listing to Satan's ploy to make GOD seem cruel and unloving. No where in the Bible does it say You are going to be tortured By God for an eternity.That would not come from a God of Love, false doctrine God says: "dust you are and dust you will return," dust cannot burn, fire is a symbolic way of showing destruction. A piece of paper does not burn forever but becomes ashes or dust. That destruction of that piece of paper can never become a piece of paper again.

Anyone's thoughts, theory's or twisted translation of the scripture is in contradiction of the scriptures. The Bible does not support it.

Keep making the God of Love seem unreachable with hatred and twisted lies that the scriptures does not support.

(Psalm 146:3, 4) Do not put your trust in princes Nor in a son of man, who cannot bring salvation. 4 His spirit goes out, he returns to the ground; On that very day his thoughts perish.

If your thoughts perish. how does one know that they are burning? they don't because its a lie.

(Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

So they don't even know that they are dead.

(Ecclesiastes 9:10) Whatever your hand finds to do, do with all your might, for there is no work nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom in the Grave, where you are going.

No knowledge? There you will have none, zip, there's no pain because you have no knowledge of anything.

(Daniel 12:13) “But as for you, go on to the end. You will rest, but you will stand up for your lot at the end of the days.”

(John 11:11-14) After he said these things, he added: “Laz′a·rus our friend has fallen asleep, but I am traveling there to awaken him.” 12 The disciples then said to him: “Lord, if he is sleeping, he will get well.” 13 Jesus, however, had spoken about his death. But they imagined he was speaking about taking rest in sleep. 14 Then Jesus said to them plainly: “Laz′a·rus has died,

(John 11:23-26) Jesus said to her: “Your brother will rise.” 24 Martha said to him: “I know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her: “I am the resurrection and the life. The one who exercises faith in me, even though he dies, will come to life; 26 and everyone who is living and exercises faith in me will never die at all. Do you believe this?”

If hell were a place of fiery torment, would anyone ever ask to be sent there? Yet, the patriarch Job, wishing to escape his plight, made this request: “Who will grant me this, that thou mayest protect me in hell, and hide me till thy wrath pass?” (Job 14:13) Clearly, Job did not believe that hell is a place of torment. Rather, he sought protection there. Death is a state of nonexistence, and the Bible hell is place where you have fallen asleep 6 feet under the ground where God says Dust you are and dust you will return.

Cycel · Oct 3, 2014

jdbear said:

The problem is, what becomes of the people in all those cultures who over many millennia had no contact with Christianity? Christian doctrine seems to imply those people will necessarily be punished for holding the wrong views. For many people like me this just makes no sense.

john832 · Oct 3, 2014

Cycel said:

Post #67

God is not only merciful, He is fair. Everyone gets a chance.

LEPIDUS · Oct 3, 2014

Cycel said:

He is responding to post # 57, 58 emphasis on the word everlasting in these verses.

jdbear · Oct 3, 2014

Cycel said:

It doesn't make sense to you my friend because it isn't true:

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves.... Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? Ro.2:14,26

The righteous of the law is Christ....which is faith in God. People don't a book to know God, but it is a huge advantage!!!

TruthisPower · Oct 3, 2014

Cycel said:

Well they are going to get there chance too, this is what the bible says at Acts 24:15:

And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

That's why when Jesus rules as king for only 1000yrs the Unrighteous are going to be resurrected and have a chance to get to know God.

But at the End of the 1,000yrs Satan will be let out from his restraint (abyss) to test the nations (people) for a short period of time.

(Revelation 20:1-3) And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven with the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 He seized the dragon, the original serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for 1,000 years. 3 And he hurled him into the abyss and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he would not mislead the nations anymore until the 1,000 years were ended. After this he must be released for a little while.

Then this is called the second death for at this point who ever follows Satan will be thrown into the lake of fire, Judgement day was the first death. Then at the End of it, even, death itself and hell, will be thrown into the lake of fire and death at that point will be gone forever.

(Rev20:14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

TruthisPower · Oct 3, 2014

Does anyone know the difference between the 2 ?

HELL & Lake of Fire

Sola_Scriptura · Oct 3, 2014

Biblically, there is no difference.

God Bless.

jdbear · Oct 3, 2014

TruthisPower said:

Hell can mean "the grave". The grave is thrown into the lake of fire and destroyed.

jdbear · Oct 3, 2014

Re.20:14...........

TruthisPower · Oct 3, 2014

ColinCat said:

I believe that you will be held accountable if you don't enlighten anyone about the Good news of the Kingdom It was said by Jesus as one his first commandments, to preach to others and if no one does it, they most likely are not going to make it. Because there not doing God's will but there own.

I think our Curse (Sin) which results to our death is a constant reminder of what and where we are going when we die. Some people may not admit to it , but if you look a your daily dealings with death, that it can be upon you within of an instant. You can fall down and die, go swimming and drowned, get into your car and die from a crash, or simply from some illness. Our curse itself, holds us to the place that when we die, we fall asleep and might never be woken ever again in the resurrection that takes place on the last day. That to me is fear in itself, to not know that you will never be awoken from your sleep. To me Hell is nothing But sleep, that's what the bible tells us where were going and having to wait for a resurrection, and if you don't get resurrected, hell the place where you are sleeping will be thrown into the lake of fire. Where it destroys any hope or chance for you to be resurrected. And you will be in a Forever sleep of unconscious, to never be awoken again.

(Ecclesiastes 9:5) For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing at all, nor do they have any more reward, because all memory of them is forgotten.

That's why Jesus called it sleep. when you base it off your 8hr sleep you were unconscious of your surroundings. One can wake you up by calling your name but when you are in a death sleep, and there is only one that can wake you up from that type of sleep and its Jesus. Let's see what he says.

(John 5:28, 29) Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs (Sleep) will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

TruthisPower · Oct 3, 2014

Sola_Scriptura said:

The two are totally different. no offense

Death itself cannot feel pain but Yet, it is thrown into the lake of fire so they are not the same

Lake of Fire represents: complete-destruction symbolically meaning: gone never to return

Hell represents: Sleep a place where good and bad people go to wait for a resurrection.

everyone that is sleeping in Hell that didnt get ressurected after judgment day will be thrown into the lake of fire

(1 Thessalonians 4:13, 14) Moreover, brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who are sleeping in death, so that you may not sorrow as the rest do who have no hope. 14 For if we have faith that Jesus died and rose again, so too God will bring with him those who have fallen asleep in death through Jesus.

(John 5:29) and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, and those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment.

The "resurrection of Judgement" it where everyone that is sleeping in Hell because there name wasn't in the book of Life will be resurrected by God, by him throwing them into the lake of fire for complete-destruction, not torture

(Revelation 20:12-15) And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and scrolls were opened. But another scroll was opened; it is the scroll of life. The dead were judged out of those things written in the scrolls according to their deeds. 13 And the sea gave up the dead in it, and death and the Grave (Hell) gave up the dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds. 14 And death and the Grave were hurled into the lake of fire. This means the second death, the lake of fire. 15 Furthermore, whoever was not found written in the book of life was hurled into the lake of fire.

JesusIsAll · Oct 3, 2014

The very real bottom line, no matter how many endless paragraphs and opinion pages cults use to twist scripture into a pretzel, the Lord Jesus taught in Luke 16 a very real place of torment the rich man went to on death. God does not teach error, ever. Jesus Christ, when warning of hell, was not warning of sleep, this so obvious. And the apostle Paul stated that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord, as well as expressing the desire to leave this earth to be with the Lord, not sleep.

Soul sleep or annihilation are cult teachings, the likes of Jehovah's Witnesses and Seventh Day Adventists. If you wish to get errant theology from cults, with the likes of extra-Biblical false prophets like Charles Russell or Ellen G. White, thrown in Joseph Smith, this is a personal problem one shouldn't be loading off on to others.

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