Who is/was/will be THE False Prophet of the Book of Revelation?

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I find it increasingly amazing that there could be any disagreement within the body of Christ, as to the identity of THE false prophet of the book of Revelation, particularly today. Even as this is how the world breaks down:

One third of mankind in the world today
believe that Christ was crucified, died and was resurrected from the dead, as revealed through the prophets and witnesses of the 1600 year record of revelation of the one true God to mankind, whose people have followed Him through two covenants for 3500 years.


John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


A record of revelation that commands us to not only love our neighbor as ourselves, but even to love our enemies.


Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;


Galatians 5:14
For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


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directly opposing one quarter of mankind in the counter-Gospel anti-religion of Islam are required to disbelieve the whole subject of the Gospel, and thus reject the sin-atoning shed blood of the Messiah, and deny the Son of God - as articles of their faith in Muhammad alone.


Quran Surah 4:157
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-


Quran Surah 19:88
They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!


Through Muhammad's heavily abrogatedstand-alone 23 year 7th century record his followers are commanded to "fight and slay" non-Muslims and to subjugate all of humanity to Muhammad's followers:


Bukhari, V1 B2 #24
Narrated Ibn 'Umar: Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle.....


It would of course be pure blasphemy for a Jew or Christian to "testify" to that since if Muhammad was a true prophet, then the prophets and witnesses as revealed in the 1600 year record of revelation of YHWH to mankind, would be false. In particular Jesus Christ, who prophesied His own crucifixion, death and resurrection.


As if that weren't stunning enough, followers of Muhammad are taught that they would commit the single most "heinous" and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN ("shirk") in Muhammad's anti-religion, if a Muslim were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God, or even to pray in Jesus' name. The unforgivable "sin" of praying in Jesus' name, as opposed to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder for example, which may be forgiven. Whose deity even curses Jews and Christians for being "deluded away from the Truth", while he commands Muhammad's followers to fight and subdue Jews and Christians into submission:


Surah 9.29
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!


So Islam is to Christianity, as the negative is, to a photograph. A perfect inverse.


1John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.


One would think the stunning nature of this spiritual conflict alone, would be enough to give even a staunch atheist pause, to ponder the odds. However even much of the "church" is blinded to this imperialistic conquest, and subjugation of mankind to the powers of darkness, primarily because of eschatology that was popularized in the 19th and 20th centuries. Even though the scriptures make it abundantly clear:


1John 2:22
Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].


Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

So how well has the church been served, by the idea of a single individual as "The" "Antichrist", whether as advanced by preterists or futurists?

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I think the False Prophet with be the last Pope...the two horns one higher than the other being a unified Roman Catholic/Greek Orthodox Pope and the Beast/Little Horn will be the 12th Imam or Madhi!

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Daniel 7:2-3,17,23*"2*Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.*3*And*four great beasts*came up from the sea, diverse one from another." "17*These great beasts, which are four,*are*four kings,*which*shall arise out of the earth." "23*Thus he said,*The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces."

The Bible tells us that a beast in prophecy is a king and his kingdom. Most would identify this as a system, versus a single man by himself.

The reference to the False Prophet is from*Revelation 19:19-20:

Revelation 19:19-20*"
19*And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.*20*And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Several things to note here. In verse 19, John sees "the beast, and*the kings of the earth, and their armies". In verse 20, he now says "the beast was taken, and*with him the false prophet". The False Prophet is identified as the kings (plural) of the earth, and their armies. Secondly, what is the main characteristic of the False Prophet given in verse 20? "that wrought miracles before him*[the beast],*with which he deceived them". This same terminology is used in conjunction with the second beast mentioned in*Revelation 13:11-17.

Revelation 13:14*"14*and*deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by*the means of*those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. "

Comparing Scripture with Scripture, we can easily see that the False Prophet is a system of kings and armies that uses miracles to draw the world to worship the Beast. The False Prophet is identified as the second beast in Revelation 13. Again, a beast in prophecy is a king and his kingdom.

Conclusion. The Beast and the False Prophet are 2 kingdoms working together to deceive the entire world into a system of false worship against the LORD. Comparing Scripture with Scripture and looking at history, the only power matching the Biblical first beast is the Papacy and Biblical false prophet is the United States who will force the world to worship the Papacy. This is only an overview. If you desire more information, I can provide it.

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I think the False Prophet with be the last Pope...
So 1/4 of mankind that follows the false prophet Muhammad is compelled to DISbelieve the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Messiah, and thus reject the shed blood of the Lamb of God, and compelled to deny the Son of God as articles of their faith in Muhammad alone, who are commanded to conquer and subjugate the whole of mankind to doing the very same, but it's a pope that is going to be some future THE false prophet?
What does an ethnographic view of the prophet John's "whole world" look like?

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......the Beast/Little Horn will be the 12th Imam or Madhi!
Didn't Daniel define what a "beast" is when used in the figurative language of his prophetic dream? And didn't he do it in the context of using three of the very same figures John used in his prophetic vision?

In Daniel's chapter 7 dream we find: Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.


Daniel 7:4
The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings...

Daniel 7:5
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear...

Daniel 7:6
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard...

Daniel 7:7
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly...


In the verse below we learn that in the figurative language of a vision or dream in prophecy, a "beast" is a kingdom or empire.


Daniel 7:23
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


BEAST = KINGDOM

DANIEL'S FOUR BEASTS
 
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Didn't Daniel define what a "beast" is when used in the figurative language of his prophetic dream? And didn't he do it in the context of using three of the very same figures John used in his prophetic vision?

In Daniel's chapter 7 dream we find: Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.


Daniel 7:4
The first [was] like a lion, and had eagle's wings...

Daniel 7:5
And behold another beast, a second, like to a bear...

Daniel 7:6
After this I beheld, and lo another, like a leopard...

Daniel 7:7
After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly...


In the verse below we learn that in the figurative language of a vision or dream in prophecy, a "beast" is a kingdom or empire.


Daniel 7:23
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.


BEAST = KINGDOM

DANIEL'S FOUR BEASTS
Well...in Revelation which gives FURTHER insight into the LIMITED VIEW of DANIEL the BEAST is identified as a MAN and I view chapter 7 of Daniel under a different light than most as I believe the 1st Kingdom in chapter 7 is indicative of the Daughter of BABYLON (U.S) as Identified in Psalm 137, Jeremiah 50-51 and is blended in with Babylon B.C. as identified in Isaiah 13, 21, 47 and Ezekiel 17.....I believe the Second Beast is Russia and it will sweep the West at the COMMAND (said) by the three ribs in the Bears mouth (Iran, Turkey and Egypt?)....Persia Being the medium that will attempt to sweep the Middle East and the Little Horn comes out of what was conquered by Alexander the Great and then divided by his four generals....The wars between the Kings of the North and South Ptolomies and Selucids with the KING (little Horn) coming out of the Syrian area....The last 3 popes have bowed unto the Koran and in essence placed themselves under it and the Catholics believe in miracles and when HE comes on the scene working miracles the POPE will point at HIM and claim him to be the one......!

The Daughter of Babylon(U.S) being decimated by a strike which comes from the North from thence..(Russia)
 
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Daniel 7:2-3,17,23*"2*Daniel spake and said, I saw in my vision by night, and, behold, the four winds of the heaven strove upon the great sea.*3*And*four great beasts*came up from the sea, diverse one from another." "17*These great beasts, which are four,*are*four kings,*which*shall arise out of the earth." "23*Thus he said,*The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces."

The Bible tells us that a beast in prophecy is a king and his kingdom. Most would identify this as a system, versus a single man by himself.

The reference to the False Prophet is from*Revelation 19:19-20:

Revelation 19:19-20*"
19*And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.*20*And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone."

Several things to note here. In verse 19, John sees "the beast, and*the kings of the earth, and their armies". In verse 20, he now says "the beast was taken, and*with him the false prophet". The False Prophet is identified as the kings (plural) of the earth, and their armies.
Strong's doesn't seem to allow a metaphorical definition for false prophet (though some preterists, in particular, sure try to create one):

false prophet

Strong's New Testament Greek Definition:

5578 pseudoprophetes

from 5571 and 4396 ; TDNT - 6:781,952; n m

AV - false prophet 11; 11

1) one who, acting the part of a divinely inspired prophet, utters falsehoods under the name of divine prophecies

2) a false prophet


Revelation 19:20 And the beastwas taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miraclesbefore him,with which he deceived themthat had received the markof the beast, and themthat worshipped his image.These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Revelation 19:20
And the beastwas taken,..." As explained in the prior section the "beast" is the false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom - his followers - all perfectly united through the Quran specifically in the spirit of antichrist.


"... and with him..." Daniel assigned the masculine gender to his kingdom "beasts":
"...and his nails of brass ..... stamped the residue with his feet:"

"...the false prophet..."The false prophet Muhammad who founded his antichrist Islamic kingdom "beast". The definite article "the" occurs in the Koine Greek and this is no metaphor.


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that wrought miracles..." Some reject Muhammad as the false prophet because he did not perform a single miracle, however the Koine Greek word "semeion" translated as "miracles" and "signs", is defined in Strong's as "that by which a person is distinguished from others and is known". That makes Mohammed a perfect fit for the false prophet, since he is his known for his Quran, and has without question been distinguished from others by it for 1400 years. Muhammad's Quran is the "semeion" that he "wrought" before his followers - Muslims - the "beast".


"...before him,..." From Strong's "before" meaning "in the presence of" - the beast.


"...with which he deceived them..." Muhammad's followers - Muslims.


"...that had received the mark..." The number 666 according to some of Muhammad's own followers.


In Revelation 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast {Islam - Muslim}, or the number {666} of his name.


For those who feel a need for a physical mark (though not required since one only needs to be marked by the "name" of the beast) consider the prayer marks and bumps in Muhammad's followers foreheads, from prostrating toward the Quraish pagan's black stone idol in Mecca five times a day, with their foreheads pressed to the ground in the ritual of the Saban moon worshipers.
THE HAJJ AND UMRAH



Continuing with our subject verse:


"...of the beast,..." The false prophet Muhammad's Islamic empire


"... and them..." Muslims


"...that worshipped his image." Today's Islam and Second Jihad, are the image of the First Islamic Jihad, and the beast's ambition to terrorize and conquer all the kingdoms of the world, and subjugate all people to Muhammad's followers. Subjugating everyone in the world to DISbelieving the crucifixion of Christ, thus REJECTING the shed blood of the Messiah, while blaspheming and DENYING the Son of God, as articles of faith in Muhammad alone. Jihad is the pinnacle of worship in Islam.


"These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone." Though written in the figurative language of a prophetic vision it doesn't seem to spell a picnic. Can it get any worse than that?


Revelation 20:10
And the devil that deceived themwas cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beastand the false prophet[are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
TRADITIONAL HISTORICISM
 
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Do the followers of the false prophet Muhammad - who are commanded to subjugate the whole world to denying the Son of God and rejecting His shed blood - need a microchip to be implanted in their hands for God to sort things out?

Revelation 13:17
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast {Islam - Muslim}, or the number {666} of his name.


And thus it is in much of the Middle East - or John's whole world TODAY - almost all of whom are marked with the name of the beast. Except for the tiny remnant that is being wiped out, outside of Israel's democracy where the freedom, liberty and right to self-determination of Israeli Jews, Christians, non-Muslim Arabs and Muslims are protected by the Jewish State. Where Muslims enjoy more freedom than they do in any Muslim controlled country on earth. When we exercise the discipline of hermeneutic rules in our Bible study we find that prophecy is nearly fulfilled, and our Lord and Savior's return is truly imminent. Perhaps even today!


The Number 666
(URL)


It is interesting to note that at least one sect of Islam considers the number 666 to be the number of the Quran and Muhammad, through a computer generated gematria, that was initially well received throughout the Islamic world in the early 1970s. From the Islamic sect that still remains:


"This book is the Quran; and the Quran is '666.'"


Here's a link
- and an excerpt from another.


"The truth is that This Quran is the 666" "GOD made His Messenger a witness with the letter Qaf and the number 666."


"The number 666 is highly publicized all over the world and it is associated with evil and danger.

However, it is not what it seems. It was a Satanic trick.

The trick was to prevent the people approaching the 666.

Satan knew that the 666 is the book of GOD and the people should be kept away from it.

According to his plan, he placed a bad image to the number 666."


"The truth is that This Quran is the 666 , The Book from The Lord of the Universe."


"The First Sura in the Quran, 666, is Praise. This sura is the gift of GOD to us to establish Contact with Him through our daily Contact Prayers. "


"GOD made His Messenger a witness with the letter Qaf and the number 666."


Here's a link to a 9 minute video
regarding this subject.

Or Search - sura 1 to sura 36 is 666 - Example:
 
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Ya mean it ain't VP Biden after all?
 
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Well...in Revelation which gives FURTHER insight into the LIMITED VIEW of DANIEL the BEAST is identified as a MAN....
Where does Revelation identify the "beast" as a man?
When answering please keep in mind that Daniel assigned the masculine gender to his kingdom "beasts" with references to the forth beast as "his":

Dan 7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;

Now let's look at Revelation.

Rev 13:2
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as [the feet] of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.


Three of the very same figures that Daniel used to describe his kingdom "beasts". There is such a nearly universal understanding among Christians as well as Jews, of Daniel's lion, bear and leopard being the ancient kingdoms of Babylon, Medo-Persia and Greece, that a Bing search of "Babylon Medo-Persia and Greece", even in quotes, nets over 13,000 sites. So what countries in the world today are seated in the area of those ancient kingdoms?
Aren't the seats occupied by: Babylon-Iraq, Medo-Persia-Iran, and ancient Greece-Syria/Lebanon?



Can we doubt that the "dragon"/Satan gave the Islamic "beast" his seat, power and great authority? While they may have differences in doctrine so disparate that they murder each others innocents over them, each and every one of Muhammad's followers is necessarily perfectly united in the spirit of antichrist, as an article of faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone. They are perfectly united in that spirit by the Quran, which is the "miracle" or "sign" that Muhammad wrought before his followers.
Also bear in mind that John was writing about what was, is and "shall be" to John, so shouldn't we view his prophetic vision from his perspective in the first century?

Revelation 1:19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

So what is the spiritual condition of John's "whole world" today?

world
New Testament Greek Definition:
3625 oikoumene {oy-kou-men'-ay}
feminine participle present passive of 3611 (as noun, by
implication of 1093); TDNT - 5:157,674; n f
AV - world 14, earth 1; 15
1) the inhabited earth
1a) the portion of the earth inhabited by the Greeks, in
distinction from the lands of the barbarians
1b) the Roman empire, all the subjects of the empire
1c) the whole inhabited earth, the world
1d) the inhabitants of the earth, men
2) the universe, the world




Judging by that map, through an ethnographic view, outside of the tiny little strip of land protected by the democracy of the Israeli Jewish state, hasn't John's whole world already received the name of the false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom "beast"?

Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Who indeed is able to make war with him?

Now consider the succession of the 8 kings/beasts that John detailed:
JOHN'S EIGHT BEASTS
 
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The main reason for his unsound conclusion is his presumption that the separate subjects of antichrist and "that man of sin" are one and the same. Others toss in the "beast" and the "little horn" as also being all the same as well. However the verses that regard antichrist refer to the spirit in anybody that denies the Son of God, or denies that Jesus is the Christ. I believe folks that dither on in personal presumption beyond the way the scriptures define and describe it, are writing their own script as your author did.

I agree with your author that we are likely supposed to look for "that man of sin" within the body of Christ, just as the scriptures indicate.
However the error that your author makes of lumping separate subjects together results in the same, that preterists crediting a first century individual as "The" "Antichrist" and "man of sin" and futurists looking for a boogieman of some future someday result in. Blinding members from looking for "that man of sin", right there among us, and within the body of Christ. Also blinding them to 1.5 billion antichrists in Islam alone - which doesn't even count atheists and other antichrists. Your author fingers the Pope as antichrist, even though the pope and Roman Church believe that Jesus is the Christ, and is the Son of God. I'm glad I won't be standing in your author's shoes at judgment.

The author directs his criticism to the Roman Church, so I'll presume he is a member of SDA or perhaps that other little group that refers to their Roman church bashing doctrine, as if it were "historicism" itself. All of them folks that seem to be stuck in the 16th century.
While my sympathies don't lie in the extra-scriptural dogmas, and sympathies for Islam of the Roman Church and Popes, there's certainly no shortage of unsound doctrine around considering that the vast majority (almost entirety) of the rest of the "church" is necessarily precluded from even considering that Muhammad could be THE false prophet of the book of Revelation, because of the popularization of the Roman Jesuit doctrines of preterism and futurism in the 19th-20th centuries.

But where might we find a more striking example of "that man of sin" that may indeed "sitteth in the temple of God" even now? The following video is just ONE example.
But then it's all just as prophesied, isn't it?

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

MAN OF SIN

[video=youtube;eBpw2oQrvMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM[/video]
 
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A false prophet is anyone who does not gather but scatters abroad.
 
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A false prophet is anyone who does not gather but scatters abroad.
The Old and New Testaments both warn of false prophets, and there has certainly been no shortage, but in the book of Revelation there is a specific false prophet described with the definite article "the". As in the verses quoted earlier THE false prophet that wrought miracles before the (kingdom) "beast". Today 1/4 of mankind follow the false prophet Muhammad, each and every one of which, is necessarily an antichrist, as an article of their faith. Indeed so much so, they are taught that if a Muslim were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God he would be committing the single most egregious and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN in Muhammad's counter-gospel anti-religion. As opposed to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder, which may be forgiven (and both of which as it happens their "messenger" was guilty of).
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The Old and New Testaments both warn of false prophets, and there has certainly been no shortage, but in the book of Revelation there is a specific false prophet described with the definite article "the". As in the verses quoted earlier THE false prophet that wrought miracles before the (kingdom) "beast". Today 1/4 of mankind follow the false prophet Muhammad, each and every one of which, is necessarily an antichrist, as an article of their faith. Indeed so much so, they are taught that if a Muslim were to confess that Jesus is the Son of God he would be committing the single most egregious and ONLY UNFORGIVABLE SIN in Muhammad's counter-gospel anti-religion. As opposed to child rape or cold-blooded mass murder, which may be forgiven (and both of which as it happens their "messenger" was guilty of).
JESUS OR MUHAMMAD
Do you also believe that "the" whore spoken about in revelation is one female as well? Many who call Him Lord will be rejected. These aren't Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists but Christians who do such. When will we realize that the only difference between a 'Muslim' man and a 'Christian' man is the adjectives we use to separate the two. Judge not by appearances.
 
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Do you also believe that "the" whore spoken about in revelation is one female as well?
Why toss out a straw man rather than stay on topic? Where did any of the prior posts discuss the whore? What reason did I offer for you to have imputed such a belief to me?

Many who call Him Lord will be rejected. These aren't Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists but Christians who do such.
Indeed. Doesn't that make you wonder about folks that call the Roman Church and/or Popes antichrist? Or those described in another thread in here, where folks that believe themselves to be Christian, are shacking up together out of wedlock?

No shortage have deluded themselves into believing they are "in" by simply having parroted the "sinner's prayer". My former pastor even told the group after they had done so: "Congratulations, your name is written in the Lamb's book of life!" without his obviously having had a clue as to either the condition of their hearts, or God's judgments.

When will we realize that the only difference between a 'Muslim' man and a 'Christian' man is the adjectives we use to separate the two.
I see. So you can't discern a difference in the spiritual condition of those true orthodox Muslims slaughtering all around the world - which is binding on them in the Quran - or those being slaughtered by them.

Quran Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.

Judge not by appearances.
Why not finish the verse? But judge righteous judgment!

Quran Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Is that the "adjective" you were referring to?
 
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Why toss out a straw man rather than stay on topic? Where did any of the prior posts discuss the whore? What reason did I offer for you to have imputed such a belief to me?



Indeed. Doesn't that make you wonder about folks that call the Roman Church and/or Popes antichrist? Or those described in another thread in here, where folks that believe themselves to be Christian, are shacking up together out of wedlock?

No shortage have deluded themselves into believing they are "in" by simply having parroted the "sinner's prayer". My former pastor even told the group after they had done so: "Congratulations, your name is written in the Lamb's book of life!" without his obviously having had a clue as to either the condition of their hearts, or God's judgments.



I see. So you can't discern a difference in the spiritual condition of those true orthodox Muslims slaughtering all around the world - which is binding on them in the Quran - or those being slaughtered by them.

Quran Surah 9.111 Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah. then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme.



Why not finish the verse? But judge righteous judgment!

Quran Surah 9.29 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. 30 The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also].

Is that the "adjective" you were referring to?
The point is you can't make an argument for 'the' false prophet and it not be the same case with 'the' whore. In other words you're not looking for 'one' of either.
I can discern spiritually. I know not to believe in what I see and hear on TV because I judge all lives in accordance with myself. What would make me go to that extreme?

Eternal all life is not found in any book, and righteous judgement is realizing that we are all on the same boat.
 
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TheClimaxWarrior

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Your a muslim because you don't realize that eternal life with the Lord JESUS is everlasting life with Him. When are you actually going to understand the Bible mate?! Seriously, when?
 
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Your a muslim because you don't realize that eternal life with the Lord JESUS is everlasting life with Him. When are you actually going to understand the Bible mate?! Seriously, when?
What does that mean considering you've never seen Him? Do you see blond hair blue eyes or any other physical features? Until you say what it means, you're only a mob with a pitchfork and no light to see. Please stop trolling me and find someone else who listens to hot air.
 
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The point is you can't make an argument for 'the' false prophet.......
Yes I can, and I did, in a well reasoned consistent fashion. What is the king/beast that had "not yet come" to John's first century, if not the false prophet Muhammad's Islamic kingdom beast, that followed the Roman Empire in Israel? What is the matter of fact historical succession of kingdoms in John's whole world?
JOHN'S EIGHT BEASTS

....... and it not be the same case with 'the' whore. In other words you're not looking for 'one' of either.
I certainly am looking for a particular false prophet, because the scriptures make a distinction regarding one false prophet in particular, as opposed to the rest, throughout history.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

I can discern spiritually.
Then what does the following tell you about the false prophet Muhammad and his blasphemy against the Son of God?

John 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

I know not to believe in what I see and hear on TV because I judge all lives in accordance with myself.
When did you hear on TV that each and every one of Muhammad's followers must deny the crucifixion of Christ, and thus His shed blood, as an article of their faith in the false prophet Muhammad alone? That is, reject the whole subject of the Gospel, to follow the false prophet Muhammad.

When did you hear on TV that each and every Muslim must deny that Jesus is the Son of God, as another article of their faith, in the false prophet Muhammad alone?

You see, Muhammad filled his followers with complete resolve not as much to believe, as to what to DISbelieve, REJECT and DENY.

When was the last time you saw an honest assessment of the murder, mayhem and misery Muhammad's orthodox followers are perpetrating against civilized society all around the world?
Islam: Making a True Difference in the World - One Body at a Time

And the anti-scripture anti-history kinds of things Muhammad did teach his followers is to believe that it is OK to prostrate oneself toward the very same black stone idol in Mecca, that the Quraish pagans venerated, before Muhammad was ever born. He even compels his followers to travel to that stone idol and march around it, as the Arabian pagans did in moon, sun and star worship before Muhammad was ever born.
THE HAJJ AND UMRAH

Taught them to believe it was OK to run back and forth between al-Safa and al-Marwah as the Arabian jinn-devil worshipers did before Muhammad was ever born:
THE HAJJ AND UMRAH

What would make me go to that extreme?
What extreme? Those are matters of fact as revealed through our respective books. Just like Muhammad's followers being commanded to fight, non-Muslims until we are subdued and submitted to them.
JIHAD AND ISLAMIC TERRORISM

Eternal all life is not found in any book, ........
Indeed. Only the path to it:

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

God gave us all the free will to accept or reject Him.

..... and righteous judgement is realizing that we are all on the same boat.
Oh sure, and all paths lead to paradise, whether Hitler, Polpot or the imperialism, slaughter and subjugation of the mass-murderer Muhammad eigh?
BANU QURAYZA MASSACRE
 
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