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There is no evidence as you define it. I agree with you there is nothing that you can hold in your hand or put in a beaker to test. You're right, and if that's what it would take to convince you then you'll never find Him (not that you want to, but that's the point). But I've gotten my evidence, I 100% without a doubt KNOW that God is real, and am willing to bet my life and even the very lives of my wife and 2 sons that God is real and exactly what the Bible says He is, this is a claim a couldn't have made a year ago. He has revealed Himself to me to the degree I simple cannot deny Him. My only point is just because the "evidence" doesn't fit what you call evidence doesn't mean it's not out there. To be honest I feel Gods got ahold of you at least somewhat, otherwise why would you want to talk with us "crazies" so much? I was actually surprised to find any atheist on here, but I'm glad, it can't hurt to hear about Christ and He works in ways we can't understand.
Plus there is a major difference between an atheist and a Christian.
If an atheist was shown solid evidence that God was real then the atheist would start believing in God. Because that's how atheists work. They analyse the facts and evidence available to them to make an informed decision (well, the atheists I know anyway lol)
However if a Christian was shown solid proof that God doesnt exist then the Christian would dismiss it and say it was the work of Satan or something.
See the difference in thought processes?
If an atheist was shown solid evidence that God was real then the atheist would start believing in God. Because that's how atheists work. They analyse the facts and evidence available to them to make an informed decision (well, the atheists I know anyway lol)
However if a Christian was shown solid proof that God doesnt exist then the Christian would dismiss it and say it was the work of Satan or something.
See the difference in thought processes?
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your generalization about how atheists are more intellectual then Christians is....hmmmm....rude? That's like me saying all atheists are ignorant and refuse to open their eyes to reality, have no concept of science and would rather live on their made up bubble of pretend morality than actually contribute to the real world that we live in. 
I get that you believe your right, and you r utterly convinced of that. Whose to say I am any different then you?
I think atheists are just as stubborn as Christians are. Even the atheists that u know. The problem with your statement is, just like you can say no christian has ever provided such proof of God that you had no choice but to believe, I can say no atheist has ever provided such proof that there is no God that I had no choice but to stop believing.
I understand biology, science and chemistry...But I have never encountered an atheist who can explain God away. And, I've never read an atheist who can do that either, Richard Dawkins included.
So...you have your presuppositions and I have mine. All evidence presented to either one of us will be tainted by our foundational belief in whether or not we believe God exists.
Even my chemistry professor, who is a staunch atheist said that if we didn't know any better, we would think that some Almighty in the sky was ordering the universe because there are still so many hints in science that man cannot explain. Yep...even atheists are biased.
I get that you believe your right, and you r utterly convinced of that. Whose to say I am any different then you?
I think atheists are just as stubborn as Christians are. Even the atheists that u know
. The problem with your statement is, just like you can say no christian has ever provided such proof of God that you had no choice but to believe, I can say no atheist has ever provided such proof that there is no God that I had no choice but to stop believing. I understand biology, science and chemistry...But I have never encountered an atheist who can explain God away. And, I've never read an atheist who can do that either, Richard Dawkins included.
So...you have your presuppositions and I have mine. All evidence presented to either one of us will be tainted by our foundational belief in whether or not we believe God exists.
Even my chemistry professor, who is a staunch atheist said that if we didn't know any better, we would think that some Almighty in the sky was ordering the universe because there are still so many hints in science that man cannot explain. Yep...even atheists are biased.
your generalization about how atheists are more intellectual then Christians is....hmmmm....rude? That's like me saying all atheists are ignorant and refuse to open their eyes to reality, have no concept of science and would rather live on their made up bubble of pretend morality than actually contribute to the real world that we live in.
I get that you believe your right, and you r utterly convinced of that. Whose to say I am any different then you?
I think atheists are just as stubborn as Christians are. Even the atheists that u know. The problem with your statement is, just like you can say no christian has ever provided such proof of God that you had no choice but to believe, I can say no atheist has ever provided such proof that there is no God that I had no choice but to stop believing.
I understand biology, science and chemistry...But I have never encountered an atheist who can explain God away. And, I've never read an atheist who can do that either, Richard Dawkins included.
So...you have your presuppositions and I have mine. All evidence presented to either one of us will be tainted by our foundational belief in whether or not we believe God exists.
Even my chemistry professor, who is a staunch atheist said that if we didn't know any better, we would think that some Almighty in the sky was ordering the universe because there are still so many hints in science that man cannot explain. Yep...even atheists are biased.
I get that you believe your right, and you r utterly convinced of that. Whose to say I am any different then you?
I think atheists are just as stubborn as Christians are. Even the atheists that u know
. The problem with your statement is, just like you can say no christian has ever provided such proof of God that you had no choice but to believe, I can say no atheist has ever provided such proof that there is no God that I had no choice but to stop believing. I understand biology, science and chemistry...But I have never encountered an atheist who can explain God away. And, I've never read an atheist who can do that either, Richard Dawkins included.
So...you have your presuppositions and I have mine. All evidence presented to either one of us will be tainted by our foundational belief in whether or not we believe God exists.
Even my chemistry professor, who is a staunch atheist said that if we didn't know any better, we would think that some Almighty in the sky was ordering the universe because there are still so many hints in science that man cannot explain. Yep...even atheists are biased.
Just had more time to reflect on your words. Your right, we all have our presuppositions and Weak evidence will not change that.
Good solid evidence however will cut through any presuppositions and bias.
I don't believe that my granny is a drug dealer, if someone told me she was I wouldn't believe them.... Not my granny!!
However if I was shown cctv footage of her pushing drugs I would HAVE to believe it... Regardless of my presupposition.
Wow... this has gotten up to 136 pages... and still atheists won't agree with anything in the scripture.
Yep.
Atheists in here are going around acting exactly like... atheists.
I'm sure that everything that needs to be said to them has already been said to them a hundred times over.
I usually just don't bother talking to atheists, I just pray for them instead.
I mean... it's not like they listen, lol.
You can use logic, math, science, cosmology, archaeology etc. etc. etc...
and then spin on your head,
and they will NEVER concede the tiniest point on the tiniest issue...
even if you prove them completely wrong.
Seriously,
this is 136 pages of christians talking and then atheists saying,
"nuh uh".
Good grief, be kind to yourself, stop beating your head on bricks.
Pray for them, and then go enjoy your day.
: )
Yep.
Atheists in here are going around acting exactly like... atheists.
I'm sure that everything that needs to be said to them has already been said to them a hundred times over.
I usually just don't bother talking to atheists, I just pray for them instead.
I mean... it's not like they listen, lol.
You can use logic, math, science, cosmology, archaeology etc. etc. etc...
and then spin on your head,
and they will NEVER concede the tiniest point on the tiniest issue...
even if you prove them completely wrong.
Seriously,
this is 136 pages of christians talking and then atheists saying,
"nuh uh".
Good grief, be kind to yourself, stop beating your head on bricks.
Pray for them, and then go enjoy your day.
: )
H
i suppose my answer to that would have to go back to the bible and the proven evidences that it is, in fact, a book of history. Hinduism does not contain the same literature and is based more off of legend than anything else.
So...considering the evidences of the authenticity of the bible and what information the bible contains about God and what He is like, I can only reasonably conclude that there is no other Almighty God, only one. Therefore Allah (as revealed in the Quran), Ganesh (as revealed in Hinduism), and many others stand in contradiction to the God of the bible and cannot therefore exist.
That's the shortest answer I have for you
and, no one had to prove to me that they did not exist. It was/is my responsibility to search out the truth...unfortunately these other gods are not compatible with the God of the bible.
So...considering the evidences of the authenticity of the bible and what information the bible contains about God and what He is like, I can only reasonably conclude that there is no other Almighty God, only one. Therefore Allah (as revealed in the Quran), Ganesh (as revealed in Hinduism), and many others stand in contradiction to the God of the bible and cannot therefore exist.
That's the shortest answer I have for you
and, no one had to prove to me that they did not exist. It was/is my responsibility to search out the truth...unfortunately these other gods are not compatible with the God of the bible.
H
the problem is that neither side could provide sufficient evidence (and by sufficient evidence I mean something that would amount to video footage) to thoroughly convince the other side. Because of our presuppositions we both have explanations for everything. As this thread proves...and the hundreds of others like it
Well Colin...
IF there is a God who created you, it would seem to follow logically that he doesn't OWE you any evidence.
IF there is a God who created you, He doesn't OWE you anything at all.
IF there is a God... he really owes YOU nothing, and you owe HIM everything... every heart beat.
IF there is a God... he certainly owes you nothing... he certainly doesn't have to vindicate himself to YOUR set of criteria.
However, it just so happens there IS plenty of evidence, but atheists simply ignore it when they see it.
: )
But... I'm not going to get sucked into this pointless argument.
- What atheists choose to believe is their problem, not mine.
- It isn't contingent upon Christians to convince atheists of anything.
- It isn't our job.
- What you believe Colin, is your problem, and your responsibility... it has nothing to do with me.
- Whatever you do, or don't do... it's all on you.
I'm not going to get baited into arguing in this pointless thread.
: )
IF there is a God who created you, it would seem to follow logically that he doesn't OWE you any evidence.
IF there is a God who created you, He doesn't OWE you anything at all.
IF there is a God... he really owes YOU nothing, and you owe HIM everything... every heart beat.
IF there is a God... he certainly owes you nothing... he certainly doesn't have to vindicate himself to YOUR set of criteria.
However, it just so happens there IS plenty of evidence, but atheists simply ignore it when they see it.
: )
But... I'm not going to get sucked into this pointless argument.
- What atheists choose to believe is their problem, not mine.
- It isn't contingent upon Christians to convince atheists of anything.
- It isn't our job.
- What you believe Colin, is your problem, and your responsibility... it has nothing to do with me.
- Whatever you do, or don't do... it's all on you.
I'm not going to get baited into arguing in this pointless thread.
: )
the problem is that neither side could provide sufficient evidence (and by sufficient evidence I mean something that would amount to video footage) to thoroughly convince the other side. Because of our presuppositions we both have explanations for everything. As this thread proves...and the hundreds of others like it
Would you at least concede that the fact that over 2 thirds of the earths population don't believe in your God shows that the evidence isn't strong enough to convince people he exists?
H
The evidence is strong enough to convince ppl that exists. If it wasn't, than there would be no one who believed in Him.
We love our wickedness, darkness, sin, whatever you want to call it. We love it so much that we would rather wallow in it than admit we are accountable to Someone more powerful then ourselves.
At least, that's the way I see it.
We love our wickedness, darkness, sin, whatever you want to call it. We love it so much that we would rather wallow in it than admit we are accountable to Someone more powerful then ourselves.
At least, that's the way I see it.