Was Cain Sargon the Magnificent?

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tonto said:
It's one we need to answer alright. Kinda like what happened to Neanthernal man and the dinosaurs.
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If there is a human civilization predating Adam then throw out the bible because it lied telling us he was the first man and the one through whom death through sin entered the world.
Wait, if death entered through Adam then this earlier people should still be alive not having the sin nature. 'Hold it boys', bring back the bible and chuck this other malarky.
 
tonto said:
I guess we need to trash all our encyclopedias then. Even the internet ones. You mean the dinosaurs only disappeared a couple of hundred years ago too? My my.

My encyclopedia says they have unearthed eight different civilizations at Jerico dating back to almost 10000BCE. But is guess it's wrong and the earth is really just a few thousand years old and created in six 24 hour days.
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Indeed the earth is only a few thousand years old and God created it in 6 literal days from evening to morning plus the 7th day of rest.

Also fun fact for the dinosaurs, aye indeed, modern revisionists been misleading the public for the past 200 years. Yet anyone with access to history can tell you there is a plethora of historical mention of dinosaur/dragons living alongside mankind mentioned quite frequently until about 1500s AD. I am not sure if they are all dead in this time though it is likely many are extinct or elsewise ultra-rare due to the mass extinctions which occured due to the Industrial Revolution. The murky study of cryptozoology may indicate such creatures exist though this has not been definitevely proven (ie: Loch Ness monster, North America Thunderbirds, Mokele-embebe of Congo, etc.)

Apart from the Bible several direct historical sources and witnesses such as Marco Polo, Thucydides, Pliny, and Herodotus among others mention the existence of dragons/dinosaurs alongside mankind in a context of unsurprise as if such thing were ordinary and not so special in their respective time eras.
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Indeed the earth is only a few thousand years old and God created it in 6 literal days from evening to morning plus the 7th day of rest.

Also fun fact for the dinosaurs, aye indeed, modern revisionists been misleading the public for the past 200 years. Yet anyone with access to history can tell you there is a plethora of historical mention of dinosaur/dragons living alongside mankind mentioned quite frequently until about 1500s AD. I am not sure if they are all dead in this time though it is likely many are extinct or elsewise ultra-rare due to the mass extinctions which occured due to the Industrial Revolution. The murky study of cryptozoology may indicate such creatures exist though this has not been definitevely proven (ie: Loch Ness monster, North America Thunderbirds, Mokele-embebe of Congo, etc.)

Apart from the Bible several direct historical sources and witnesses such as Marco Polo, Thucydides, Pliny, and Herodotus among others mention the existence of dragons/dinosaurs alongside mankind in a context of unsurprise as if such thing were ordinary and not so special in their respective time eras.
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Yes, it's absolutely amazing how Noah boarded all those pairs of the different species of dinosaurs along with enough food to feed them. I might imagine his having to load onboard three extra elephants just to feed the pair of T-Rex. Then we must consider all the trees and plants to feed all the big lizards. He also had to feed meat to all the polar bears, grizzles, Black bears, lions, tigers, etc. That ark must have been larger than one of our largest aircraft carriers.
 
tonto said:
Yes, it's absolutely amazing how Noah boarded all those pairs of the different species of dinosaurs along with enough food to feed them. I might imagine his having to load onboard three extra elephants just to feed the pair of T-Rex. Then we must consider all the trees and plants to feed all the big lizards. He also had to feed meat to all the polar bears, grizzles, Black bears, lions, tigers, etc. That ark must have been larger than one of our largest aircraft carriers.
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Yes indeed, the dimensions given for Noah's Ark would make it among the largest naval vessel ever created. This is more than feasible as well as one can see that back in the BC Eras the ancients from Rome to China were able to build very large scale naval vessels called Super Ships, the likes of which have only recently been able to be duplicated. Only in about the past 100 years has mankind been able to come close to duplicating the sizes of the ancient mega-ships.

In my opinion the very fact Megaliths of all sorts existed in the very ancient ages of the BC, many of which modern science still can in no ways replicate, merely disproves all the vain revisionist old earth mythologies by reason that it proves the ancients were more technologically advanced in some respects than even modern humans.


It should also be noted in the realm of theory that Noah could have simply taken young dinosaurs which are much smaller than their adult counterparts and would require less food and room and would have had longer lifespans after exitting the Ark to repopulate. Though that is only a theory, and even a large adult dinosaur could have comfortably lived in the Ark of Noah for 40 days and nights due to its immense size.
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Yes indeed, the dimensions given for Noah's Ark would make it among the largest naval vessel ever created. This is more than feasible as well as one can see that back in the BC Eras the ancients from Rome to China were able to build very large scale naval vessels called Super Ships, the likes of which have only recently been able to be duplicated. Only in about the past 100 years has mankind been able to come close to duplicating the sizes of the ancient mega-ships.

In my opinion the very fact Megaliths of all sorts existed in the very ancient ages of the BC, many of which modern science still can in no ways replicate, merely disproves all the vain revisionist old earth mythologies by reason that it proves the ancients were more technologically advanced in some respects than even modern humans.


It should also be noted in the realm of theory that Noah could have simply taken young dinosaurs which are much smaller than their adult counterparts and would require less food and room and would have had longer lifespans after exitting the Ark to repopulate. Though that is only a theory, and even a large adult dinosaur could have comfortably lived in the Ark of Noah for 40 days and nights due to its immense size.
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In a word: HOGWASH!
 
tonto said:
In a word: HOGWASH!
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Is it because the weight of evidence is contrary to the Old Earth Mythology that itself has only existed for 200 years, that you will simply call hard evidences and logical theories as hogwash and not consider them?
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Is it because the weight of evidence is contrary to the Old Earth Mythology that itself has only existed for 200 years, that you will simply call hard evidences and logical theories as hogwash and not consider them?
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What evidence? I have seen conjecture and wild speculation but no evidence.
 
tonto said:
What evidence? I have seen conjecture and wild speculation but no evidence.
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Once again, you needs only consult to the real histories, not the revisionists. Examples such as the various books of the Bible, Herodotus, Pliny, Thucydides, Marco Polo, etc.

I suppose if you're an ultra-skeptic with enough money on hand you can fly and inspect the ancient Megaliths yourself such as Stonehenge, the Great Pyramids, Temple Gigantes, etc.
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Yes indeed, the dimensions given for Noah's Ark would make it among the largest naval vessel ever created. This is more than feasible as well as one can see that back in the BC Eras the ancients from Rome to China were able to build very large scale naval vessels called Super Ships, the likes of which have only recently been able to be duplicated. Only in about the past 100 years has mankind been able to come close to duplicating the sizes of the ancient mega-ships.

In my opinion the very fact Megaliths of all sorts existed in the very ancient ages of the BC, many of which modern science still can in no ways replicate, merely disproves all the vain revisionist old earth mythologies by reason that it proves the ancients were more technologically advanced in some respects than even modern humans.


It should also be noted in the realm of theory that Noah could have simply taken young dinosaurs which are much smaller than their adult counterparts and would require less food and room and would have had longer lifespans after exitting the Ark to repopulate. Though that is only a theory, and even a large adult dinosaur could have comfortably lived in the Ark of Noah for 40 days and nights due to its immense size.
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Not to mention the fact that God is God and one man went for one year on the strength of ONE MEAL and or they could have all ate straw like the OX as the LION will do during the reign of Christ etc. God could have sustained all of them like MANNA falling from heaven etc.. SIMPLE faith is a virtue that lacks in todays society.....!
 
dcontroversal said:
Not to mention the fact that God is God and one man went for one year on the strength of ONE MEAL and or they could have all ate straw like the OX as the LION will do during the reign of Christ etc. God could have sustained all of them like MANNA falling from heaven etc.. SIMPLE faith is a virtue that lacks in todays society.....!
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Yes but speculation isn't lacking.
 
tonto said:
Look at this one:

Jericho - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Lol I have seen this before. Ask yourself how they come to conclusions such as 10,000 years old. It is quite simple. All their long term dates are only arbitrary guesses based on 1. Disproven techniques like radio-atomic dating or 2. Disproven or unproven theories such as evolution, cultural evolution, etc.

If we goes by actual evidence it is obvious Jericho can only be a few thousands of years old since the Canaanite race cannot exist until its patriarch Canaan exists at minimum, and when Canaan and his progeny scattered throughout the world. This puts the longest possible date somewhere after Tower of Babel and the shortest possible date to its first destruction by God and Joshua.
 
GodIsSalvation said:
Lol I have seen this before. Ask yourself how they come to conclusions such as 10,000 years old. It is quite simple. All their long term dates are only arbitrary guesses based on 1. Disproven techniques like radio-atomic dating or 2. Disproven or unproven theories such as evolution, cultural evolution, etc.

If we goes by actual evidence it is obvious Jericho can only be a few thousands of years old since the Canaanite race cannot exist until its patriarch Canaan exists at minimum, and when Canaan and his progeny scattered throughout the world. This puts the longest possible date somewhere after Tower of Babel and the shortest possible date to its first destruction by God and Joshua.
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But I protest, where's YOUR evidence? Talk is worth little in a free market system.
 
tonto said:
Yes, it's absolutely amazing how Noah boarded all those pairs of the different species of dinosaurs along with enough food to feed them. I might imagine his having to load onboard three extra elephants just to feed the pair of T-Rex. Then we must consider all the trees and plants to feed all the big lizards. He also had to feed meat to all the polar bears, grizzles, Black bears, lions, tigers, etc. That ark must have been larger than one of our largest aircraft carriers.
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Not every animal we see today was on the ark. Male and female and after their kind is key here.
God did not need older animals, he needed younger animals in their adolescence, so they were able to mate when they came off the ark.
This would be the same for Dinosaurs.

Not every animal we see today was on the ark. Male and female and after their kind is key here.
God did not need older animals, he needed younger animals in their adolescence, so they were able to mate when they came off the ark.
This would be the same for Dinosaurs.

All animals & mankind were herbivores/vegetarians befere the flood.
Animals did not have a fear of man or beocme a food source of man and likley each other until after the flood [See Genesis Chapter 9]

Are you using Linear Egyptian Dynasty chronology or overlapping Egyptian Dynasty chronology for your basis of timelines for cities such as Jericho?
 
The_highwayman said:
Not every animal we see today was on the ark. Male and female and after their kind is key here.
God did not need older animals, he needed younger animals in their adolescence, so they were able to mate when they came off the ark.
This would be the same for Dinosaurs.

Not every animal we see today was on the ark. Male and female and after their kind is key here.
God did not need older animals, he needed younger animals in their adolescence, so they were able to mate when they came off the ark.
This would be the same for Dinosaurs.

All animals & mankind were herbivores/vegetarians befere the flood.
Animals did not have a fear of man or beocme a food source of man and likley each other until after the flood [See Genesis Chapter 9]

Are you using Linear Egyptian Dynasty chronology or overlapping Egyptian Dynasty chronology for your basis of timelines for cities such as Jericho?
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More conjecture. Where's your evidence? No, I posted from that internet encyclopedia.
 
tonto said:
Provide your link.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/

(Books Genesis to Joshua) For the historical literature contemporary to the time era of Canaanite civilization, specifically Jericho pre-destruction (See book of 1 Kings for rebuilding of Jericho.)

For artifacts simply any search on google or youtube should provide numerous links which show the artifacts. Most of the artifacts are pottery, figurines, and the famous Jericho Skulls, as well as of course the fallen walls of Jericho.

For a particular documentary I enjoy this one, though I disagree with their dating of the site as it is based on faulty circular logic. However, it is a good documentary to show off some artifacts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-cmdl4Cqdo
[video=youtube;L-cmdl4Cqdo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-cmdl4Cqdo[/video]
 
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