America in Bible prophecy
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i'm not sure the author takes Ezekiel 28 in context (near the end of the article) -- is the king of Tyre always
a metaphor for the antichrist in scripture?
They will bring you down to the pit, and you will die a violent death in the heart of the seas.
(Ezekiel 28:8)
you know how Alexander took Tyre? exactly as prophesied - they fled to a fortified island "in the heart of the seas" and Alexander scraped the city bear to build a bridge to it, fulfilling scriptural burden against the king of Tyre.
i think Ezekiel 28:1-10 is fulfilled already, against literal Tyre, but the remainder of the chapter speaks of a "tyrant" to come.
a metaphor for the antichrist in scripture?
They will bring you down to the pit, and you will die a violent death in the heart of the seas.
(Ezekiel 28:8)
you know how Alexander took Tyre? exactly as prophesied - they fled to a fortified island "in the heart of the seas" and Alexander scraped the city bear to build a bridge to it, fulfilling scriptural burden against the king of Tyre.
i think Ezekiel 28:1-10 is fulfilled already, against literal Tyre, but the remainder of the chapter speaks of a "tyrant" to come.
a good article on the destruction of Tyre fulfilling scripture --
Destruction Of Tyre by Alexander the Great and Nebuchadnezzar
Destruction Of Tyre by Alexander the Great and Nebuchadnezzar
have you made up your mind whether "Havilah" refers to Saudi Arabia / Yemen etc. or to the North & South America continents?
or do you think Arabia & the Americas are the same place??
either way, it doesn't connect the U.S.A. to Gog/Magog, even if any of it were so.
and there are only 6 continents, not 7. Europe and Asia are the same land mass - even the same tectonic plate. if you want to divide "continents" by political/social/cultural borders than Eurasia should be about 5 "continents" all by itself (separating India, Europe, Russia, China and Arabia into cultural divisions).
if you want to count tectonic plates as "continents" there are 8 major plates, not 7.
that link the idea that "wisdom has hewn out her 7 pillars" refers to continents is ridiculous. even the Arabian peninsula and the two Americas are not connected by way of being part of the same 'continent' by any definition, and if the only reason you seem to think the USA is "Havilah" is because there is gold in the western part of the country, my friend, are you ignorant of the great gold riches in South America? more than in the USA. so maybe Havilah is Peru.
maybe the USA is not in prophecy because we're not going to be around that long. or because we are part of spiritual Rome. either way we ought to wake up to the fact that the Bible does not revolve around USA but around Israel, and specifically around the city of Jerusalem. Americans are not "God's chosen people" -- it's only that He's seen fit to bless us, and for that we ought to be thankful, not full of pride.
Is this based on opinion? I referenced my historical sources and offered perspective. Your statements however objective you make them out to be, is simply an uneducated opinion without reference. "not full of pride?" Where did that come from? Did I suggest I was full of pride? Your response starts off in a line, but it ends up in a circle and it becomes no response at all. I think? I think i offered credible references and perspective. I think you made personal statements that are hidden in false objectivity. The perspective part, the connection was mine. Feel free to attack that. But for my reference points, please contact
Notes and Sources
Dr. Hadassah Melamed
(1) Zohar Chadash 12:1.
(2) See also Midrash Rabbah 5:8. It was so obvious to the Sages that only one sea was at first created that they interpreted the meaning of the verse: “And God called… the gathering of the waters seas” (Genesis 1:10) to say that while one vast sea was originally created, due to the different characteristics of the various coasts (as reflected in the different taste of the fish), it can be thought of as many seas.
3. See also, Midrash Rabbah 26:7, on the comments made by Rabbi Yehudah HaNassi about Job and the Flood.
4. Hadassah Melamed, The Secret of the Flood, the Bermuda Triangle and Continental Drift (Hebrew), (Rechovot: 2000). See Nachmanides’ explanation of Genesis 2:11, where he states that the Torah gave details about “the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold,” in order to differentiate it from Havilah, Egypt, mentioned in Samuel I 15:7
5. Chronicles I, 29:2-4; Kings I, 10:11-22; Kings I, 22:49. and the American Scientific Affiliation web page)
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[FONT="]Also, the best interpreters of scripture due to the language barrier is the "Hebrew" who just so happened to be qualified. A lot is lost in translation. For instance [/FONT][FONT="]"They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth." Revelation 6:8". [/FONT][FONT="]"From these passages it is clear, that the word translated BEAST in many translations, does not refer to a quadruped (4 legged animal). The word clearly refers to Hu-man, Man-kind, a biped (2 legged Hu-man being). It is our understanding of the Hebrew, that this word CHAY-AH, clearly refers to a race of Hu-man beings. It does not refer to the Adamic race, the race of Adam (Man).http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/TruthPage/ThewordBeast.html." Ever hear the phrase, lost in translation? Again, please offer me credible references before responding. Although I appreciate your passionate opinion, my research was not misguided.[/FONT]
your entire facebook feed doesn't count as "historical references" and i'm not going to spend days reading it. the one i read is very convoluted - maybe i'm just not understanding your premise. ..
so could you clearly and succinctly say what you think in biblical prophecy represents the USA?
and say it here, not just give a link to your facebook? most people who read this forum are not going to click links.
Most people? Do you speak for the majority or the silent minority? Quick links are shortcuts. Even excerpts are too lengthy. Does your PC crash upon clicking any of the above mentioned "shortcuts". Please let me know, and I will do my best to remedy. Do you have anything against my facebook? Convoluted? I always offer perspective and always speak layman, since I myself think at a 4-7th grade level. For that very reason I speak in plain English. I am not trying to be condescending I just read between your words and I can see where this headed. Stay safe, be well. "Whoever has ears, let them hear." Revelation 13:9
from what i've read and been taught, Magog is almost universally accepted to represent Russia (at the least, the land north of the Black & Caspian seas), not the USA. all the other lands involved in the war described in Ezekiel 38 are present-day Arab countries; Saudi, Libya, Egypt, Iran (Persia), Lebanon, etc.
if you're trying to tell me that one of these is actually the USA i'm not seeing it; maybe you're not being clear.
the rest of what i posted yesterday; i was responding to the link in the facebook post you linked to -- which is about linking Proverbs 9:1 to seven continents of the world -- i totally reject that.
there are not seven continents. there are 6 major land masses on the globe, 8 tectonic plates, and more like 10-12 major socio-political areas in the world. the saying that there are 7 is a complete fabrication just for the sake of using the fancy number 7.
the other bit from the article - "dr. so-and-so has proved Havilah is the USA" - is simply heresay. you quoted it from an article that also just quotes it, and doesn't give a source from dr. so-and-so --- that is to say, if it's proven, it's not been shown to me; all that's been shown is that dr. so-and-so says so, and we haven't actually heard from dr. so-and-so, so i'm not going to just repeat or accept it as fact.
it also remains to be shown how the USA being Havilah has anything to do with the USA being in biblical prophecy. in Genesis, 1 Samuel and 1 Chronicles, Havilah is mentioned as an area where Amalekites lived. did the ancient Hebrews fight American Indians in the Pacific Northwest, and call them Amalekites? i don't think so. so that's probably a flawed premise too.
i hope that makes it more clear.
now i'm not really well studied or knowledgeable about this, i grant you, but i'm not taking it all as gospel just because anyone says so. if you have something to teach us about this, please post it here on the forum, not just give links to your facebook posts, because like i said, most of the people here will not click links and go read all your activity on your social media pages. put the info here so everyone can see. thanks!
if you're trying to tell me that one of these is actually the USA i'm not seeing it; maybe you're not being clear.
the rest of what i posted yesterday; i was responding to the link in the facebook post you linked to -- which is about linking Proverbs 9:1 to seven continents of the world -- i totally reject that.
there are not seven continents. there are 6 major land masses on the globe, 8 tectonic plates, and more like 10-12 major socio-political areas in the world. the saying that there are 7 is a complete fabrication just for the sake of using the fancy number 7.
the other bit from the article - "dr. so-and-so has proved Havilah is the USA" - is simply heresay. you quoted it from an article that also just quotes it, and doesn't give a source from dr. so-and-so --- that is to say, if it's proven, it's not been shown to me; all that's been shown is that dr. so-and-so says so, and we haven't actually heard from dr. so-and-so, so i'm not going to just repeat or accept it as fact.
it also remains to be shown how the USA being Havilah has anything to do with the USA being in biblical prophecy. in Genesis, 1 Samuel and 1 Chronicles, Havilah is mentioned as an area where Amalekites lived. did the ancient Hebrews fight American Indians in the Pacific Northwest, and call them Amalekites? i don't think so. so that's probably a flawed premise too.
i hope that makes it more clear.
now i'm not really well studied or knowledgeable about this, i grant you, but i'm not taking it all as gospel just because anyone says so. if you have something to teach us about this, please post it here on the forum, not just give links to your facebook posts, because like i said, most of the people here will not click links and go read all your activity on your social media pages. put the info here so everyone can see. thanks!
Historical references? If you are referring to the references I copied and pasted that was just for the one. Did I suggest that my facebook is the one all be all? No, just a point of reference for those that can connect. Most people? Do you speak for the majority or the silent minority? Quick links are shortcuts. Even excerpts are too lengthy. Does your PC crash upon clicking any of the above mentioned "shortcuts". Please let me know, and I will do my best to remedy. Do you have anything against my facebook? Convoluted? I always offer perspective and always speak layman, since I myself think at a 4-7th grade level. For that very reason I speak in plain English. I am not trying to be condescending I just read between your words and I can see where this headed. Stay safe, be well. "Whoever has ears, let them hear." Revelation 13:9
this isn't about you; it's about prophecy, and about the truth.
you have been a member here less than a month so maybe you don't know, but i have been here for a while and i have seen many users post plainly and clearly that they do not click links to outside pages; if you have something to say, many people reading the forum would prefer that you say it right here on the forum. a lot of people access the forum by cell phone, and there are logistical problems for them to open up links.
the language you use doesn't contain a lot of big words. what i meant by convoluted is that the link i read did not in any way clearly establish that the USA is represented in biblical prophecy at all, but it touches on several tangents without explaining how any of them were relevant to showing that the USA is represented in prophecy.
just say simply and clearly what part of prophecy you think refers to the USA? then we can stop misunderstanding each other and going off on tangents.
thanks!
If everyone can see here, they can see it there? You continue to insist this why? Humility...Lessons I have no desire to teach. Definition is self-explanatory. Maybe a petition against my referencing shortcuts? I have also seen other people reference short cuts aka quick links, so I believe this is personal? Either way, as I stated above, I was not misguided. How will you learn anything when you "what if" everything. I can see you go on to tangents in hopes that I respond to your tangent while leaving the main point behind. So it becomes a you and me personal discussion. Let the people speak for themselves. Let those with ears hear and eyes see for themselves. If you wish to attack me personally, then privately message me and maybe we can resolve the real "issue". "If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Matthew 10:14"
hey if it's too much of a bother for you to interact with the forum, it's no skin off my back.
i'm just telling you that there is a much greater chance of a profitable discussion happening in this thread if you talk, on this thread, and not just post links to something else.
are you now too offended by my suggestion that you post relevant information in this thread to answer my objections (posted above) ?
if that's so, i'm sorry. i was only thinking of what is best for our edification.
i think you missed this:
like i said, if it's too much trouble for you to repeat the relevant parts of your facebook posts here, or even to copy-paste the parts that are relevant, fine. i was just trying to help the general discussion.
now i haven't said anything about you personally at all. i posted objections ↑ to the first link you gave. do you have any response to them?
can you clearly and plainly state in just a few sentences how you think the USA fits into prophecy?
You repeatedly insist on your suggestion. Based on my training and experience I have learned that when a person insists, it becomes a matter of control as compensation for "fill in the blank here". Maybe I can edify you with "how to" not take it personally when you click and you're redirected to a link that provides pictures, other posts that may be relevant, offer more support and perspective.
In response to "you have been a member here less than a month so maybe you don't know, but i have been here for a while and i have seen many users post plainly and clearly that they do not click links to outside pages; if you have something to say, many people reading the forum would prefer that you say it right here on the forum. a lot of people access the forum by cell phone, and there are logistical problems for them to open up links. "
Less than a month makes me less knowledgeable? Does this forum defer from any other forum where people post relevant links? As for access by cell phone it is my understanding that facebook on a phone is like a toaster at home. A common household item. This default app (with a dedicated allocation of memory) offers a speedy connection where cache is already saved and available vs. the internet forum where cache is repeatedly refreshed and thus takes longer and is more hazardous, taking into account the myriad of viruses that makes your computer device more vulnerable to attacks. I see that you are rationalizing or ration-a-lying as I like to call it, so that you further compensate for your lack of control.
in response to "can you clearly and plainly state in just a few sentences how you think the USA fits into prophecy?" Can you plainly paraphrase what I wrote about Prophecy Against America in a few sentences? Why the lengthy post? Because any more words would have been too much, and any less words would have been too little.
"But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 1 Corinthians 1:27 " Yes, good observation taking into account that I have been here only a month. To be honest, personally I would have never been a member to any religious organization for personal reasons and my personal opinions. I find that Godly people are the most difficult to deal with. I am here for your sake believe it or not, if you chose to accept it, read my posts. I fear that if you don't read what I have to say, you will be among the lost sheep, since we are in fact in the end times/time of deception. Relevant to this opinion I leave you with another link or shortcut so you understand my personal reason, if you care to understand it. https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314210178758669 I am done with this conversation. I gave you the opportunity to message me privately and you chose to speak to me here. "a lot of people", "many people", "general discussion", "our edification" translated is really you and I. I have learned to pay attention to detail. I also recommend that you along with "a lot, many people, for your general edification" read what I have to say. Start off with an "about me" post that can be found here. https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/311939192319101 The rest is your choice and in your hands. Be well
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The U.S. in scriptures Psalm 137, Jeremiah 50-51
The Daughter of Babylon the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS
National symbols of an EAGLE and called the LADY of the KINGDOMS
80 characteristics 10.5 Billion to one when the math is done.
Hammer of the Whole earth militarily
Mounts HER defenses to the UTMOST HEAVEN
Chief Economic producer and switches to the chief economic CONSUMER nation
REBELS in BIRTH and REBELS when HER judgment comes
Knew God in truth and then DEPARTED
MELTING pot of the world
Falls in a strike from NORTH from THENCE
Destroys ALL of her young men of war in 1 (ONE) hour
Comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN SEAS
Is instigated by Persia (Iran) Turkey and Egypt
ETC........Do the math as the math speaks clearly!
The Daughter of Babylon the HINDERMOST of the NATIONS
National symbols of an EAGLE and called the LADY of the KINGDOMS
80 characteristics 10.5 Billion to one when the math is done.
Hammer of the Whole earth militarily
Mounts HER defenses to the UTMOST HEAVEN
Chief Economic producer and switches to the chief economic CONSUMER nation
REBELS in BIRTH and REBELS when HER judgment comes
Knew God in truth and then DEPARTED
MELTING pot of the world
Falls in a strike from NORTH from THENCE
Destroys ALL of her young men of war in 1 (ONE) hour
Comes from between the BLACK and CASPIAN SEAS
Is instigated by Persia (Iran) Turkey and Egypt
ETC........Do the math as the math speaks clearly!
Your math is flawed. Your math https://twitter.com/England811/status/461250696692506625/photo/1
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As for everything else you said, I think we speak a different language because your response seems like a cluster of "post it" notes that only you can decipher. I mean no offense by this Sir, so take it with a grain of salt. Be well and stay safe.
No offence taken and my math is not flawed.....so....We shall see and before you mouth my math take note that over 5 years ago from the woes and burdens I taught the following...
1. The deposing of Mubarak and a wicked prince would rule a short space (Moris) and he would be deposed and then a wicked King would come on line El SISI
2. The deposing of the leader of Libya
3. That the U.S. would be OVER FLYING Syria and BOMBING in Syria before the end of the age....
I really could care less about your links as 25 years of intensive study reveals the future woven all through the context of the woes and burdens of Isaiah and Jeremiah....The U.S. is the DAUGHTER of CONFUSION and the religion she spreads dia Democracy to the world is WORSHIP GOD as YOU PLEASE....
I suggest a study of APO-THEOSIS as applied unto Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and what Rome devolves into as well as what GODDESS stands on all three rotundas of Government, at our main port of ENTRY and which STANDS on top of the Capitol BUILDING.......ISIS is her name and now she is LIBERTAS and SHE rules not over a country, but rather over the DISTRICT of COLUMBIA.....
Again when you list ALL 80 characteristics as applied unto HER it is 10.5 billion to ONE odds of which nation it is...so I suggest you study a bit MORE!
1. The deposing of Mubarak and a wicked prince would rule a short space (Moris) and he would be deposed and then a wicked King would come on line El SISI
2. The deposing of the leader of Libya
3. That the U.S. would be OVER FLYING Syria and BOMBING in Syria before the end of the age....
I really could care less about your links as 25 years of intensive study reveals the future woven all through the context of the woes and burdens of Isaiah and Jeremiah....The U.S. is the DAUGHTER of CONFUSION and the religion she spreads dia Democracy to the world is WORSHIP GOD as YOU PLEASE....
I suggest a study of APO-THEOSIS as applied unto Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, Rome and what Rome devolves into as well as what GODDESS stands on all three rotundas of Government, at our main port of ENTRY and which STANDS on top of the Capitol BUILDING.......ISIS is her name and now she is LIBERTAS and SHE rules not over a country, but rather over the DISTRICT of COLUMBIA.....
Again when you list ALL 80 characteristics as applied unto HER it is 10.5 billion to ONE odds of which nation it is...so I suggest you study a bit MORE!
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