America in Bible prophecy
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Why are people ignorant to the fact that the preeminent world power would not be in scripture...and as far as I go, I am not desperate to place anything anywhere in the word of God and or center stage in prophecy...knowing that HER demise is utter destruction and to be burned with fire which is going to be bad for you as well....and why not take the chapters listed and actually study them in prayer, listing every fact one at a time and then come to a solid foundation of where I stand!...AFTER you do the math!
Sir, when you respond with "I can care less for you links" you offer a biased one way, your way view. "I can care less" also has a negative connotation, that leaves me close minded to your biased view point. Sometimes with age, does not come wisdom.
"6So Elihu son of Barakel the Buzite said:
“I am young in years,
and you are old;
that is why I was fearful,
not daring to tell you what I know.
7I thought, ‘Age should speak;
advanced years should teach wisdom.’
8But it is the spirit in a person,
the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.
9It is not only the old who are wise,
not only the aged who understand what is right. Job 32"
Your choice of words are confrontational and I doubt that very many people will discuss anything with you given your attitude. Also, speak plainly. Moreover you should know that, if your answer is based on your references, your "references" are riddles. So based on my math, answer = riddle. 25 years of study, but you refuse "could care less about your links" to add an additional 8 minutes of perspective to your study. Also, "I suggest you study a bit MORE!" after you clearly stated you "could care less" would imply you never read my post on the matter (links), so why would you make the statement to study I wonder? You walled up your windows, and refused to let the light in. Be well.
Fair enough and Jobs friends including the youngest did not have the completed word of God to study from.....my words were based upon your strike against the math and the word of God found in Jeremiah 50-51 was not given in riddles but plain truth....could care less was directed at the links statement because this is a bible study chat and not a LINKS POST SITE and for the record....you dismissed what I had written based upon what? Your own hammered out theology? SO....please don't read being emphatic with personal attacks and or confrontational attitude.....As far as the light goes.....and your 8 minutes of perspective seem to be mouthy as well, but I will spare and give you the benefit of the doubt!
As for your "could care less was directed at the links statement because this is a bible study chat and not a LINKS POST SITE and for the record" My response is as I stated earlier
" Does this forum defer from any other forum where people post relevant links? As for access by cell phone it is my understanding that facebook on a phone is like a toaster at home. A common household item. This default app (with a dedicated allocation of memory) offers a speedy connection where cache is already saved and available vs. the internet forum where cache is repeatedly refreshed and thus takes longer and is more hazardous, taking into account the myriad of viruses that makes your computer device more vulnerable to attacks. I see that you are rationalizing or ration-a-lying as I like to call it, so that you further compensate for your lack of control. "
and also...
"completed word of God" Sir, "the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding." You responded without the "completed word of God" by dismissing that one passage. If you understood, you wouldn't reference 25 years of study. Elihu was God sent.
Exodus 4:10Moses said to the Lord, “Pardon your servant, Lord. I have never been eloquent, neither in the past nor since you have spoken to your servant. I am slow of speech and tongue.”
11The Lord said to him, “Who gave human beings their mouths? Who makes them deaf or mute? Who gives them sight or makes them blind? Is it not I, the Lord? 12Now go; I will help you speak and will teach you what to say.”
Sir, if you knew what I knew, you wouldn't waste my time arguing semantics. You can click on the links or not. Your pompous attitude only suggests that you will not, and for that I am concerned for you since I wish to share what I know with all of Gods people. But again, the choice as it seems is heavily yours. "Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud."1 Corinthians 13:4
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"If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. Matthew 10:14"
I do not perceive that our conversation will get any better. Be well.
I do not perceive that our conversation will get any better. Be well.
God did not send you to sanctify His sheep; He sent Jesus Christ, who has already found me, so you need not worry that i will lose any hope of salvation if i do not become a follower of you.
as for the rest of your puffing, i'm going to take as a:
"no, i can't succinctly and plainly say how America fits into biblical prophecy"
thanks anyway.
We will know we are in the end time when the world can communicate with each other because of advanced technology and travel because the beast kingdom in Revelation is a kingdom that all Gentile governments are involved under the rule of the man of sin that cannot happen unless the world can communicate with each other to come together with one mind.
God told Daniel the end time which Daniel did not understand but God said do not worry about it for you cannot understand it but they will understand it in the future,for many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased.You can only understand the end time if you can see what the world is doing which they will come together as people try to solve their problems by their own effort cutting God out of the picture.
God said that He is going to gather all nations together to battle against Jerusalem and that is when He will save the Jews.So God's purpose is to allow all nations to come together to fight Israel which cannot happen unless the world can communicate with each other to have one mind which can only happen if there is advanced technology and travel.
So we know we are in the end time because we can see what the world is doing because of technology and travel and they can communicate with each other to come together.
That is why the Bible says when they shall say peace and safety then sudden destruction comes upon them like a woman in labor and they shall not escape,because it is the efforts of people trying to solve their problems apart from God so it will be chaos and the Bible says by peace the last king shall destroy many.
So the world will come together to try to solve their problems until it results in the man of sin being able to rule over them when the one world government fails at obtaining peace for the world,which the man of sin's agenda is there is no personal God but people and their technology and devices can solve the problems on earth.
The Bible says in Revelation 18 that there is a certain nation that deceived the rest of the world to go towards the beast kingdom which she is punished for this and the other nations stand afar off for fear of her punishment.
This nation did trade with the world,lived deliciously and in pleasure,and had a multitude of sins which she enjoyed fleshy pleasures.
So the world will come together and eventually adapt the beast kingdom and there is a nation that is responsible for this happening.
America-United Religions headquarters-San Francisco.United Nations headquarters-New York.World Trade Center-New York.Is involved in fleshy pleasures like crazy and lives deliciously and in pleasure compared to the rest of the world.
If America is not in prophesy and we know we are in the end time because the world can communicate with each other,then why is America doing more to get the world together and cause the world to communicate with each other saying peace than any other nation.
If America is not the nation that causes the world to go towards the beast kingdom then what nation is it,seeing America has the United Religions and United Nations headquarters and the World Trade Center headquarters in it and is doing more to cause the world to communicate with each other for peace than any other nation on earth.
I believe that when America is done working in the world to get them to come together then God will punish her for deceiving the world,so America will not be part of that group that is explained in Ezekiel.
Just like the false prophet and beast go to the lake of fire before the other heathen for deceiving the world,the nation that is responsible for deceiving the world will be punished before the world goes against Israel at the battle of Armageddon.
This is what it sounds like to me.
God told Daniel the end time which Daniel did not understand but God said do not worry about it for you cannot understand it but they will understand it in the future,for many shall run to and fro and knowledge shall be increased.You can only understand the end time if you can see what the world is doing which they will come together as people try to solve their problems by their own effort cutting God out of the picture.
God said that He is going to gather all nations together to battle against Jerusalem and that is when He will save the Jews.So God's purpose is to allow all nations to come together to fight Israel which cannot happen unless the world can communicate with each other to have one mind which can only happen if there is advanced technology and travel.
So we know we are in the end time because we can see what the world is doing because of technology and travel and they can communicate with each other to come together.
That is why the Bible says when they shall say peace and safety then sudden destruction comes upon them like a woman in labor and they shall not escape,because it is the efforts of people trying to solve their problems apart from God so it will be chaos and the Bible says by peace the last king shall destroy many.
So the world will come together to try to solve their problems until it results in the man of sin being able to rule over them when the one world government fails at obtaining peace for the world,which the man of sin's agenda is there is no personal God but people and their technology and devices can solve the problems on earth.
The Bible says in Revelation 18 that there is a certain nation that deceived the rest of the world to go towards the beast kingdom which she is punished for this and the other nations stand afar off for fear of her punishment.
This nation did trade with the world,lived deliciously and in pleasure,and had a multitude of sins which she enjoyed fleshy pleasures.
So the world will come together and eventually adapt the beast kingdom and there is a nation that is responsible for this happening.
America-United Religions headquarters-San Francisco.United Nations headquarters-New York.World Trade Center-New York.Is involved in fleshy pleasures like crazy and lives deliciously and in pleasure compared to the rest of the world.
If America is not in prophesy and we know we are in the end time because the world can communicate with each other,then why is America doing more to get the world together and cause the world to communicate with each other saying peace than any other nation.
If America is not the nation that causes the world to go towards the beast kingdom then what nation is it,seeing America has the United Religions and United Nations headquarters and the World Trade Center headquarters in it and is doing more to cause the world to communicate with each other for peace than any other nation on earth.
I believe that when America is done working in the world to get them to come together then God will punish her for deceiving the world,so America will not be part of that group that is explained in Ezekiel.
Just like the false prophet and beast go to the lake of fire before the other heathen for deceiving the world,the nation that is responsible for deceiving the world will be punished before the world goes against Israel at the battle of Armageddon.
This is what it sounds like to me.
No, I wasn't sent to sanctify. I was sent to keep you from being deceived. You responded for what? Why are you so haughty I wonder? "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Proverbs 16:18" You can heed my counsel or not. It is heavily your choice as well.
"no I can't succinctly..."
Did you care to even look at what I posted? If you did not, you should, and look around while you're there. If you did, and still insisted on provoking me, then you fail. While the cheerleaders like your comment, it only makes you and them look that much worse while they cheer on for the antagonist. If you do not like what I have to say, then simply click x. But rather you decided to make an uneducated and unwarranted comment. Be well.
"We will know we are in the end time when the world can communicate with each other because of advanced technology"
The following is an excerpt from my "The red pill or blue pill" post
• “But, the foolish may object, we have the media to protect us from the corrupt. We cannot be deceived as long as there is a free press to act as our watchdog.
• Ah, but there's the rub. There is no free press!
• “Christopher Mark adds:
3. The news is a farce. As is the case with the financial institutions, which are concentrated in the hands of the few, long ago the media was bought and paid for... What you read and what you see on a daily basis is largely manufactured. You are being lied to each and every day.”
• Free Masons run this country/the world as we know it. Biblically speaking, “Revelation 17:13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.” Begs the question…how is it that diverse systems of government as are in power today would willingly subjugate themselves to a single ruler?
The Answer: Free Masons (the occult). I have photo evidence that shows world leaders (all Free Masons) exposing themselves as to let other Masons know who’s got the biggest phallus (women included). “…and you may be sure that your sin will find you out. Numbers 32:23” https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/311820272330993
I say this to everyone else, this is NOT about who's got the biggest phallus. I am doing what I can to keep you informed. If you do not believe what I have to say, then it is because you do not seek the truth and you love the world. Read any one of my posts (actually read) then return with your thoughts in a "Christian-like manner" Thank you.
The red pill or the blue pill -
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/311820272330993
"Whoever has ears, let them hear." Revelation 13:9
NEWS-
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/308115469368140
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/307791229400564
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/311369502376070
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/304810199698667
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/299182923594728
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/288266044686416
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/306641879515499
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/306056236240730
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/305994889580198
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/304253499754337
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/304051776441176
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/302630543249966
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/301571916689162
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/300484710131216
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/299182923594728
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/293577500821937
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/284716298374724:0
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/280123572167330
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/293577317488622
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/290576284455392
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/293577110821976
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/289091687937185
Meet your persecutors -
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/310473005799053
One Government -
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/307844049395282
Prophecy –
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314448995401454
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314475082065512
Rise to Power https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/315685158611171
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/315628018616885
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314443038735383
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314283518751335
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314405098739177
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https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/312651828914504
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https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/312651828914504
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/312439995602354
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/308110316035322
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https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/310024819177205
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https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/310021385844215
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/312048705641483
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/307828262730194
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https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/293099230869764
Drought –
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/309206939258993
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/291386334374387
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/280827295430291:0
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/525148147618318
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/293084340871253
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/308110889368598
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/287668668079487
Ebola Epidemic –
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/311369502376070
https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/310408642472156
Another thing, I see "Senior Member" and "Rep Power"
"The greatest among you will be your servant. Matthew 23:11"
Please read my thoughts here
[FONT="]https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314210178758669[/FONT], because I find it relevant to Senior Member or Rep Power. If how you speak is a reflection of your Senior Member or Rep Power status, then I want nothing from what you have to offer.
As for everyone else that would like to follow this Senior Members lead, keep this in mind... "to deceive, if possible, even the elect. Matthew 24:24"
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. Matthew 7:15"
You are among these wolves now, and if you do NOT wish to be deceived, then you should hear my words for your own sake. Also, Job in the bible...Who's very name means "Persecuted". Are you more righteous than he? I certainly am not! So get off your high horse, humble yourselves, and click on any link I give you so you're not lost sheep. You along with everyone else, may not like what I have to say or share, "rest of your puffing" but it is for you, that I do it. The choice is heavily yours, click or no click. Don't waste my time comparing phallus's or arguing semantics.
"5And whether they listen or fail to listen—for they are a rebellious people—they will know that a prophet has been among them. 6And you, son of man, do not be afraid of them or their words. Do not be afraid, though briers and thorns are all around you and you live among scorpions. Do not be afraid of what they say or be terrified by them, though they are a rebellious people. Ezekiel 2"
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do try to stay on topic please.
i responded to your first post a few days ago with objections to the premises of the article you linked to. are you going to address those comments at all? i'd like to hear more about the topic at hand and less about your impression of yourself and your opinion of me.
thanks!
Posthuman, I have thoroughly covered the topic at hand by referencing a link to my completed work, accompanied by numerous references. You, however have exhausted yourself by suggesting I stop posting links and plainly speak here without offering any sort of credibility to accompany your uneducated opinion. You have stated "the language you use doesn't contain a lot of big words" why i wonder? Do i not speak plainly enough for you? Do you prefer "bigger words"? I have learned that big words simply cover up your lack of understanding. So, I speak in plain English so that you and everyone else can understand. I live by the KISS principle. You continue to antagonize me and dismiss my completed work. Would you like for me to copy and paste my completed work here? (that was a rhetorical question) As for my educated opinion and observation of you, that can be found here. https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/316405431872477 I encourage everyone else to please view before you identify yourselves with him by clicking like to his responses.
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"objections to the premises of the article you linked to. are you going to address those comments at all?"
Sir, my response can be found on page one. The beauty about writing things is, you don't have to ask someone, did he answer it? I don't remember, did he say it? Save yourself the trouble, and simply click on page one, so you don't look silly being redundant. There are only two pages to this particular forum, but if you prefer, I can copy your objection and my response and paste them here?
Sir, my response can be found on page one. The beauty about writing things is, you don't have to ask someone, did he answer it? I don't remember, did he say it? Save yourself the trouble, and simply click on page one, so you don't look silly being redundant. There are only two pages to this particular forum, but if you prefer, I can copy your objection and my response and paste them here?
posthuman references:
"from what i've read and been taught,"
albert_mascheroni My completed work https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314339638745723
My references: Notes and Sources
Dr. Hadassah Melamed
(1) Zohar Chadash 12:1.
(2) See also Midrash Rabbah 5:8. It was so obvious to the Sages that only one sea was at first created that they interpreted the meaning of the verse: “And God called… the gathering of the waters seas” (Genesis 1:10) to say that while one vast sea was originally created, due to the different characteristics of the various coasts (as reflected in the different taste of the fish), it can be thought of as many seas.
3. See also, Midrash Rabbah 26:7, on the comments made by Rabbi Yehudah HaNassi about Job and the Flood.
4. Hadassah Melamed, The Secret of the Flood, the Bermuda Triangle and Continental Drift (Hebrew), (Rechovot: 2000). See Nachmanides’ explanation of Genesis 2:11, where he states that the Torah gave details about “the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold,” in order to differentiate it from Havilah, Egypt, mentioned in Samuel I 15:7
5. Chronicles I, 29:2-4; Kings I, 10:11-22; Kings I, 22:49. and the American Scientific Affiliation web page)
-You have read and been taught? Do you at least have a school teachers name?
As for my response...click on page one, and see that i "plainly" "addressed" them for you on this very forum. As I have stated before, "If you wish to attack me personally, then privately message me and maybe we can resolve the real "issue".
"from what i've read and been taught,"
albert_mascheroni My completed work https://www.facebook.com/al.masch.50/posts/314339638745723
My references: Notes and Sources
Dr. Hadassah Melamed
(1) Zohar Chadash 12:1.
(2) See also Midrash Rabbah 5:8. It was so obvious to the Sages that only one sea was at first created that they interpreted the meaning of the verse: “And God called… the gathering of the waters seas” (Genesis 1:10) to say that while one vast sea was originally created, due to the different characteristics of the various coasts (as reflected in the different taste of the fish), it can be thought of as many seas.
3. See also, Midrash Rabbah 26:7, on the comments made by Rabbi Yehudah HaNassi about Job and the Flood.
4. Hadassah Melamed, The Secret of the Flood, the Bermuda Triangle and Continental Drift (Hebrew), (Rechovot: 2000). See Nachmanides’ explanation of Genesis 2:11, where he states that the Torah gave details about “the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold,” in order to differentiate it from Havilah, Egypt, mentioned in Samuel I 15:7
5. Chronicles I, 29:2-4; Kings I, 10:11-22; Kings I, 22:49. and the American Scientific Affiliation web page)
-You have read and been taught? Do you at least have a school teachers name?
As for my response...click on page one, and see that i "plainly" "addressed" them for you on this very forum. As I have stated before, "If you wish to attack me personally, then privately message me and maybe we can resolve the real "issue".
if you can't simply stop talking about yourself, making personal comments about me, and get to the actual topic of the thread, answering the points i raised about the very first link you posted...
why should i be encouraged to read 30 more links? if i have similar objections to the premises in these, won't they go similarly unanswered?
so Al, let's start with some direct questions - which are not about you - but are about the topic of the thread:
- can you definitively prove that the USA is Havilah? how, taking into consideration the objections i raised days ago that remain unanswered?
- what (if any) relevance to end-times prophecy does the USA being biblical Havilah have?
you made great boasts about the importance of the knowledge and understanding vested in yourself, so can you do yourself the honor of making an effort to impart some of that?
or is the extent of your "ministry" to personally attack me both here and on facebook? all i'm asking of you is to discuss the thread topic, beginning with the very first link you posted.
thanks!
Okay, clearly you have not read what I posted or bothered to look at my references. I see you that you can blink, swallow, and move your lips but can you read what I posted? Perhaps upon reading it, you will return with new nicely numbered questions?
If you would like the last word as a means to compensate, since you I did not listen to your repeated "suggestion" to stop posting shortcut references, than the last word is yours.
Everyone else, I hope you find the links that i have posted helpful. Granted I do not post "Munchy crunchy" music videos for my "favorite potato chip flavor" on this Christian forum like my friend posthuman here. Instead, I offer you news headlines, perspective, and give you insight for what is to come. I invite you to read what i post and wake up. Posthuman, the floor is yours and yours only. your welcome!
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if you want to talk about potato chips, there is a thread in the misc. section of the forum dedicated to that topic.
this thread is (supposed to be) about America in biblical prophecy.
- can you definitively prove that the USA is Havilah? how?
- what (if any) relevance to end-times prophecy does the USA being biblical Havilah have?
