I have to wonder just how many times you Trinity-deniers read Triune statements, and then draw erroneous conclusions...
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I have to wonder just how many times you Trinity-deniers read Triune statements, and then draw erroneous conclusions...
I will quote scriptures that should be explained if there is a trinity.
The Bible says there is but one God,the Father.Why did it not say there is three persons in one God but there is only one God,the Father.
The Bible says that the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.
God said there was no God formed before Me and there shall be no God formed after Me.So if there is a trinity then they would all have no beginning.Then why would there be a God the Son with no beginning when the term Son means to be begotten and have a beginning,and saying He was begotten eternally makes no sense because you cannot have no beginning but have a beginning.If they say Jesus comes after the Father the Bible says there was no God formed after God.
The Bible says when the savior comes He will be from everlasting to everlasting which means He will have no beginning,and again the term Son means to be begotten or else the term Son has no meaning.
The Bible says Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit.Then how did a God the Son come in flesh.
God said that one day He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them which Jesus said if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father and it is the Father that is in Jesus that does the works and then describes the Holy Spirit as the Comforter and says He will come and comfort them.
The Bible says baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,but Luke said baptize in Jesus name.
God said He would reveal a new name to them and speak to them,and Jesus said he came in His Father' name,manifested the Father's name,and revealed the Father's name,and the Son inherited the name from the Father,so it sounds like the Father's name is Jesus.
We know the Son's name is Jesus.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
It seems like the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost is Jesus,which we know that Jesus created all things,came in flesh,and dwells in the saints.If Jesus created all things would not He be our Father.If a trinity created all things would they not all be our Father.
Is Jesus saying baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,so they would not make a trinity out of the titles but realize it is Jesus,which Luke interpreted it as Jesus.
Jesus said that when He ascends to heaven to not ask Him anything but only ask the Father,but in another passage of scripture Jesus said ask Him and He will do it.Is Jesus saying do not ask Him as the man Christ Jesus to ask the Father,but go directly to Him as the Father when He ascends to heaven.
The only thing that makes sense is there is only one God who is a Holy Spirit,and Father is a title for God the Holy Spirit,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus,therefore the Son can have no beginning according to His deity as the Father,but have a beginning according to His humanity as the man Christ Jesus,because Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
Therefore Jesus is the Son of God who is the Father manifest in the flesh of the Son,the man Christ Jesus,making Jesus our Father that gave us His own human body for a sacrifice,His Son,the man Christ Jesus,which the Bible says that God lay down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
The Bible says there is but one God,the Father.Why did it not say there is three persons in one God but there is only one God,the Father.
The Bible says that the Son shall be called the everlasting Father.
God said there was no God formed before Me and there shall be no God formed after Me.So if there is a trinity then they would all have no beginning.Then why would there be a God the Son with no beginning when the term Son means to be begotten and have a beginning,and saying He was begotten eternally makes no sense because you cannot have no beginning but have a beginning.If they say Jesus comes after the Father the Bible says there was no God formed after God.
The Bible says when the savior comes He will be from everlasting to everlasting which means He will have no beginning,and again the term Son means to be begotten or else the term Son has no meaning.
The Bible says Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit.Then how did a God the Son come in flesh.
God said that one day He would reveal a new name to the Jews and speak to them which Jesus said if you have seen Me then you have seen the Father and it is the Father that is in Jesus that does the works and then describes the Holy Spirit as the Comforter and says He will come and comfort them.
The Bible says baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,but Luke said baptize in Jesus name.
God said He would reveal a new name to them and speak to them,and Jesus said he came in His Father' name,manifested the Father's name,and revealed the Father's name,and the Son inherited the name from the Father,so it sounds like the Father's name is Jesus.
We know the Son's name is Jesus.
The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.
It seems like the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost is Jesus,which we know that Jesus created all things,came in flesh,and dwells in the saints.If Jesus created all things would not He be our Father.If a trinity created all things would they not all be our Father.
Is Jesus saying baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost,so they would not make a trinity out of the titles but realize it is Jesus,which Luke interpreted it as Jesus.
Jesus said that when He ascends to heaven to not ask Him anything but only ask the Father,but in another passage of scripture Jesus said ask Him and He will do it.Is Jesus saying do not ask Him as the man Christ Jesus to ask the Father,but go directly to Him as the Father when He ascends to heaven.
The only thing that makes sense is there is only one God who is a Holy Spirit,and Father is a title for God the Holy Spirit,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus,therefore the Son can have no beginning according to His deity as the Father,but have a beginning according to His humanity as the man Christ Jesus,because Jesus is God manifest in the flesh.
Therefore Jesus is the Son of God who is the Father manifest in the flesh of the Son,the man Christ Jesus,making Jesus our Father that gave us His own human body for a sacrifice,His Son,the man Christ Jesus,which the Bible says that God lay down His life for us,and purchased the Church with His own blood.
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Oh, my goodness, people! The Trinity may not be spelt out plainly but reading the Bible, reading between the lines, it's plain to see that there's only one true God and He exists as three persons (Father, Son, Spirit) that live in perfect relationship with each other. The Trinity is biblical fact! Enough said.
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It isn't easy to understand the trinity. We worship a God who is 3 in 1. The father, Son and Holy spirit combine to make the one Godhead. The three exist to serve different purposes. God (as Jesus) was sent in the guise of man to exist to teach and ultimately as a saviour for mankind. The Holy Spirit dwells in us to guide us because Jesus has now ascended and is no longer on earth. God is the Father who directs. This is how I see it - others might differ in their views.
Which group of jehovah's witnesses should I be looking at, as there are two groups, obviously because they are are divided?
all you need to do now is show where the scripture says "God is three in one"...not an opinion ...scripture...
If you do feel so strongly about is, why did you not join in the debate while it was going on. You sat on the sideline and now judge me, does it make you right and me wrong? I am not on this site to judge anybody but to debate different teachings that is being taught all over the world in the different churches. I can prove everything that I am saying from the Word of God and I do not just assume something all the time. I have done my own studies and is still studying as there are many things to learn/unlearn. There are many on this site who will just criticize and just be negative and/or rude without any proper knowledge on their side but just quoting their church's/pastor's teachings to be in the lime light. So, if you have some light that have been shared to you, please share it with us so that all can learn as the only way to God and Jesus Christ is the Truth.
Re: Wake up...
Rev 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."
Clearly, we can see two thrones here, one where Jesus Christ will sit on and the one where God the Father is sitting on.
Rev 22:3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and his servants shall serve him." Again a reference to God and to the Lamb, Jesus, and their thrones. Why would the Bible quote two entities if Jesus Christ is God the Father. The Bible would then have quoted that the throne of God shall be in it.
Zec 6:13 " Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace shall be between them both." Here clearly, we can see that Jesus will be sitting on His own throne as the priest and there will be a counsel between both or two entities. We also see here that Jesus is busy building the temple of the Lord, not His own temple but for the Lord, indicating that He is building it for His Father.
This should be enough proof to those who still believe that Jesus is God the Father and that there is only one throne, that there are in fact two entities, God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son, also the Lamb, each on their own throne and the counsel will be between them both, two separate entities.
No negative or rude comments please. Just plain proof from the Bible will be accepted. If you can't supply that, please refrain from this discussion.
Rev 3:21 "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."
Clearly, we can see two thrones here, one where Jesus Christ will sit on and the one where God the Father is sitting on.
Rev 22:3 "And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and his servants shall serve him." Again a reference to God and to the Lamb, Jesus, and their thrones. Why would the Bible quote two entities if Jesus Christ is God the Father. The Bible would then have quoted that the throne of God shall be in it.
Zec 6:13 " Even he shall build the temple of the Lord; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne; and the counsel of peace shall be between them both." Here clearly, we can see that Jesus will be sitting on His own throne as the priest and there will be a counsel between both or two entities. We also see here that Jesus is busy building the temple of the Lord, not His own temple but for the Lord, indicating that He is building it for His Father.
This should be enough proof to those who still believe that Jesus is God the Father and that there is only one throne, that there are in fact two entities, God the Father and Jesus Christ His Son, also the Lamb, each on their own throne and the counsel will be between them both, two separate entities.
No negative or rude comments please. Just plain proof from the Bible will be accepted. If you can't supply that, please refrain from this discussion.
Re: Wake up...
Dead.
Wrong.
There is only ONE Throne of The Triune God.
Even the OT tells us this, if you had bothered to look...
We are already told in Rev 3.21 that Jesus occupies the Father’s singular Throne, as thus…
The one overcoming, I will give to him to sit with Me in My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father in His throne. (Rev 3.21)
ο νικων δωσω αυτω καθισαι μετ εμου εν τω θρονω μου ως καγω ενικησα και εκαθισα μετα του πατρος μου εν τω θρονω αυτου
Jesus has already ‘overcome’(ενικησα)aorist, past-tense verb.
And (και) …
Jesus has already ‘sat down’ (εκαθισα) aorist, past-tense verb.
The Greek verbs utilized inform us that Jesus has already sat down with His Father upon the same singular Throne….this is exactly in keeping with scripture which has the Son in the identical image as the Father.
One Throne.
One God.
You are the poster-child for jacked theology.
Again...there is only ONE Throne!
Even your quoted verse is in the SINGULAR....NOT plural...
Worship of The Creator is, and always has been, Triune...
Who is the ‘One’ upon the Throne in Rev?
Revelation tells us that The Father sits upon the Throne (Rev 3.21); that Jesus sits upon the Throne (Rev 3.21; 7.17; 22.1 - 3), & that Theos sits upon the Throne (Rev 7.10 – 11; 7.15; 12.5; 14.5; 19.4; 22.1 - 3).
This is the Trinity....and receives all worship...
Again....where is the plural...?
The Trinity already comprehends that The Father is NOT The Son.
The Trinity also comprehends that there is ONE Throne of the Triune God.
You have serious gaps in your denial of The Trinity.
Done.
Dead.
Wrong.
There is only ONE Throne of The Triune God.
Even the OT tells us this, if you had bothered to look...
We are already told in Rev 3.21 that Jesus occupies the Father’s singular Throne, as thus…
The one overcoming, I will give to him to sit with Me in My throne, as I also overcame and sat with My Father in His throne. (Rev 3.21)
ο νικων δωσω αυτω καθισαι μετ εμου εν τω θρονω μου ως καγω ενικησα και εκαθισα μετα του πατρος μου εν τω θρονω αυτου
Jesus has already ‘overcome’(ενικησα)aorist, past-tense verb.
And (και) …
Jesus has already ‘sat down’ (εκαθισα) aorist, past-tense verb.
The Greek verbs utilized inform us that Jesus has already sat down with His Father upon the same singular Throne….this is exactly in keeping with scripture which has the Son in the identical image as the Father.
One Throne.
One God.
You are the poster-child for jacked theology.
Again...there is only ONE Throne!
Even your quoted verse is in the SINGULAR....NOT plural...
Worship of The Creator is, and always has been, Triune...
Who is the ‘One’ upon the Throne in Rev?
Revelation tells us that The Father sits upon the Throne (Rev 3.21); that Jesus sits upon the Throne (Rev 3.21; 7.17; 22.1 - 3), & that Theos sits upon the Throne (Rev 7.10 – 11; 7.15; 12.5; 14.5; 19.4; 22.1 - 3).
This is the Trinity....and receives all worship...
Again....where is the plural...?
The Trinity already comprehends that The Father is NOT The Son.
The Trinity also comprehends that there is ONE Throne of the Triune God.
You have serious gaps in your denial of The Trinity.
Done.
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Re: Wake up...
Revelation 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Revelation 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he( Jesus) came and took the book out of the right hand of him (God the Father ) that sat upon the throne.
God the Father sits on the Throne not Jesus
Revelation 4 King James Version (KJV)
4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Revelation 5 King James Version (KJV)
5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
7 And he( Jesus) came and took the book out of the right hand of him (God the Father ) that sat upon the throne.
God the Father sits on the Throne not Jesus
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ELECT
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Re: Wake up...
Well said correct as thus saith the Lord
those that say it is one throne would need to explain the following
If the throne that Jesus sit on is the Fathers own then it is Jesus own also then If it is Jesus throne then the saints would sit on Jesus throne which is the Fathers Throne
No way would the saints sit on the Father throne sinful man no way
Well said correct as thus saith the Lord
those that say it is one throne would need to explain the following
If the throne that Jesus sit on is the Fathers own then it is Jesus own also then If it is Jesus throne then the saints would sit on Jesus throne which is the Fathers Throne
No way would the saints sit on the Father throne sinful man no way
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Re: Wake up...
Scripture gives us several helpful clues as to The God who occupies the Throne in Rev 4.
The description given to the Throne and the one sitting upon it is the same as previously given in Ezekiel (Eze. 1.26-28) and likewise is applied to Jesus in Revelation.
Ezekiel describes the one sitting upon the Throne as looking like a man and being called the Glory of Yahweh.
Daniel further elaborates on the Ancient of Days who occupies the Throne (Dan 7.9) and likewise is applied to Jesus in Revelation.
Scripture gives us several helpful clues as to The God who occupies the Throne in Rev 4.
The description given to the Throne and the one sitting upon it is the same as previously given in Ezekiel (Eze. 1.26-28) and likewise is applied to Jesus in Revelation.
Ezekiel describes the one sitting upon the Throne as looking like a man and being called the Glory of Yahweh.
Daniel further elaborates on the Ancient of Days who occupies the Throne (Dan 7.9) and likewise is applied to Jesus in Revelation.
Re: Wake up...
You are pitifully incorrect...
Scripture informs us that the Righteous occupy The Throne of The Triune God...that is how we see Him face-to-face.
Study up...
You are pitifully incorrect...
Scripture informs us that the Righteous occupy The Throne of The Triune God...that is how we see Him face-to-face.
Study up...
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Re: Wake up...
God the Father throne is blue whereas God the Son throne is white thus Jesus would judge the world not the Father
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Re: Wake up...
please provide scripture thank you because i did not know God has 12 thrones
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging thetwelve tribes of Israel.
please provide scripture thank you because i did not know God has 12 thrones
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging thetwelve tribes of Israel.
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Re: Wake up...
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.