False tongues, are you being decieved?

[Stephen63]

The gibberish people hear in churches today passing for the "gift of tongues" is all bs.

I can't imagine why you or anybody else would believe worldly anthropologists & linguists over the Bible. That in & of itself doesn't speak very highly of you. Whatever happened to believing the report of the Lord?

Go to your anthropologists & ask them if your Messiah can be born of a virgin...... then you can start a new thread on that, too.

 

[Stephen63]

The gibberish people hear in churches today passing for the "gift of tongues" is all bs.

There is no tongues in the Pentecostal churches. If there were any real tongues, Pentecostals wouldn't accept the large quantity of tongues that is seen as false to anyone with any discernment. But, they have nothing real to compare with false tongues. Many Pentecostals are wonderful people and sincere believers, but their preference for emotional experiences leads them to be susceptible to many false doctrines and false teachers.

Really? Who told you? I should believe YOU over the scriptures? Evidence please?

 

[jdbear]

Have no idea what you're talking about Stephen, as Jesus birth (which I fully believe as recorded in scripture) has nothing to do with speaking thinking someone is speaking in a language no one on earth can understand.

 

[Stephen63]

Isn't it amazing how people can come up with such statements when many of them have never stepped through the door of a Pentecostal church? And when they do, they base their whole experience from services of a single church?

I can speak about Pentecostals because I AM ONE with over 30 years in the ministry besides. I'm not bragging, but making a point that if I'm gonna listen to anybody, it's gonna be someone with REAL EXPERIENCE.

 

[Jamal]

Really? Who told you? I should believe YOU over the scriptures? Evidence please?

I'm not asking you to believe me over scripture. I'm asking you to believe me over the guy who makes meaningless noises and calls it a language. Don't believe me, believe your common sense. The meaningless of their noise should should all the evidence you need. Don't insult God by attributing meaningless noise to the miraculous works of God.

Every Pentacostal I've ever heard speak in tongues, I recognize and know the language by name that they are speaking. I do overstate it a bit when I call it meaningless. But, it isn't of God.

 

[JesusIsAll]

that being said if you are a Christian please provide the interpretation for BS?

Having the gift of interpretation, of a sort, I believe he was referring to a byproduct of the bovine male, if this the case, his comment was, at least, not gibberish.

 

[CS1]

Have no idea what you're talking about Stephen, as Jesus birth (which I fully believe as recorded in scripture) has nothing to do with speaking thinking someone is speaking in a language no one on earth can understand.

But there is 1cor chpter 12, 13, 14 that speak very clearly of the Gifts of the Holy Spirit which tongues is one of them that Paul said under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit to desire spiritual gifts including tongues. he said to be mature and in order so God is glorified that being said yep plenty of abuses just like Pastors who are too a gift to the church as in Scripture. But that is why Paul said if you are wanting to then leave you alone. you find that in 1 cor 14.


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"The passionate, sometimes rhythmic, language-like patter that pours forth from religious people who “speak in tongues” reflects a state of mental possession, many of them say. Now they have some neuroscience to back them up.
Researchers at the University of Pennsylvania took brain images of five women while they spoke in tongues and found that their frontal lobes — the thinking, willful part of the brain through which people control what they do — were relatively quiet, as were..."



I find it very interesting that a Christian would bring in University of Pennsylvania as authoritative and using a term they do not even believe in to prove a position or explain it " state of mental possession"
LOL
this should not for a bible Believing Christian take authority over 1cor chapter 12, 13, 14 or mark 16, or Eph 6 and many other scriptural ref: to the power and gifting of the Holy Spirit Not to mention the 120 who spoken Tongues and were mocked ​

 

[breno785au]

Two stories - one that validates the correct use of tongues and the other...well...like I said "fear of God is the beginning of wisdom."

There was once a girl who went to college and did not know God. She had taken Greek as one of her courses. The college professor instructed all that were in that class to give themselves a Greek name, in that all Greek names tell an attribute about oneself. The name she gave herself was “Anthos” meaning “flower”. During a hard time in her life, she had gone to church one Sunday, and during the service a man stood up and spoke in Greek. This girl understood, and the message straight from God came to her that said “flower I love you and want your heart”. Needless to say, she accepted Christ as her Savior.

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Another story unfolds like this. A young man received a gift of tongues and was so excited about it, that he called his sister (who lived in Germany) knowing that she had a faith in God while in times past, he didn’t. He wanted to give her an example of this gift over the phone, and as he commenced, she screamed “STOP-STOP!” I can’t bear the awful things that you are saying about God! He was blaspheming God in the German tongue.

Sources for these stories?
I've heard another version of the blaspheming in German story. Internet stories are not reputable in my opinion.

 

[just-us-2]

Sources for these stories?
I've heard another version of the blaspheming in German story. Internet stories are not reputable in my opinion.

It has been 30-40 years since we heard these two stories so I really can't be precise about where we got them. It seems like the one about Greek we heard in church and the one about German was told to us by a relative. Either way, it was long before we had a computer and the internet. It doesn't surprise me that the stories could be on the internet though.

 

[breno785au]

It has been 30-40 years since we heard these two stories so I really can't be precise about where we got them. It seems like the one about Greek we heard in church and the one about German was told to us by a relative. Either way, it was long before we had a computer and the internet. It doesn't surprise me that the stories could be on the internet though.

When my mother got born again she was beside herself and broke out in tongues praising God, then someone told her that German story which caused her to doubt and totally shut down the gift. It's a sad case.

 

[Joidevivre]

I would not touch what the Holy Spirit gives as one of His manifestations. You can say you don't understand it - or not experienced it - but there is a danger in trying to invalidate something that is so scriptural. And actually, it is something that is not easily put into an easy to understand explanation. It is one of those mysteries of God, which only the one who has the gift knows is real, but even they can't explain.

The one who prays in tongues knows they are somehow praying in words that they have no English for. It comes from their gut (or their spirit)...and rises up to God with a strong element of faith and love that they could not even explain.

They just KNOW.

 

[jb]

Modern Tongues Speaking Explained - What is really going on? By Cooper P Abrams III

It is quite clear that this person does NOT know what they are talking (writing) about!

For those interested you can find a study on the nine gifts of the Holy Spirit Here, the gift of tongues is number 8 in the list, you can also find another very short study Here that you should also find helpful...

Yahweh Shalom

 

[Agricola]

I speak in so called "prayer language" Tongues, I also sing in it. I beleive that anyone who has been baptised by the Holy Spirit can obtain this, as its more of a personal relationship deal going on. I did not think I had been baptised by Holy Spirit and therefore I never even considered I had this gift.

It was not until we had a seminar, quite a few years ago now, where we were taught about gifts of the Holy SPirit and if you are a genuine beleiver and follower of Christ but have not been baptised by Holy Spirit yet, then there must be a reason why. Went through all the blockages that prevents this from happening, ties not severed through involvement in cults or activities such as mediumship, Soul ties and so on.

I went throught all this, but still nothing, so at end of the 2 days stood up and went forward for prayer, again nothing happened, I thought, Meh oh well, then just as I was going to sit down the whole room went black and i was transported back to when I was a teenager and an event I had practically forgot.

It was at our church weekend holiday, had communion for first time, a wave of light came over me, everything seemed bright and I felt amazing, strange tingling and goosebumps, then it went, now I remembred this and did not know what it was, I had not been taught anything like this at my Baptist church, I now knew this was my Baptism of the Holy Spirit. So all these decades I have been living with this, but never knew it, partly down to the church thinking that even raising a hand in worship is rebelious and dangerous.

Anyway I told the chap running the seminar, he asked if I had tried speaking in spirit, that is toungues, I replied I had not, so he said just give it ago, just start speaking in it he said, so I did, and it just flowed out, yes I was making the sounds, I was speaking in this language that only God knows, but I was not thinking about the sounds or what sounds to make as it came out, it just came out spontaneously.

He stood over me, listened and prayed, then said I had an unusual dialect and sound, but it was 100% from holy Spirit and was all good, as many people who speak this or try it can be influenced by demons and bad spirits.

Unfortunately, this amazing gift that everyone can have is met with suspicion and ridicule, just read the responses on this thread. It is also very much abused and many people who claim to speak this, are speaking it from demonic spirits, not Holy Spirit. All this is Satan at work to destroy as much as he can, if most Christians reject the gifts, then job done.

Despite all the clever arguments and reasoning which is worthy of the best lawyer in the land, people such as myself are living proof it is real. I know what I have and I know what its for, I do not abuse it or use it to show off or score points, that would be wrong. Just saying "Thank you Lord" in our own language is better than speaking an hour in tongues, it is great to speak in tongues if I do not know what to say or pray for but feel prompted to do it by Holy Spirit.

So well there you go, thats about it.

 

[Trailblazer]

The gibberish people hear in churches today passing for the "gift of tongues" is all bs.

The most powerful experience that I had ever experienced was In a Church that a girlfriend invited me to back in 1979.
This was when I was clueless, before I knew of Jesus. I was not saved by Jesus at the time.

I still have no idea what denomination that Church was. I had a lady once when I was 16 years old tell me of a chant that I can do to get what I want. It did seem to work. This chant she mentioned had never occurred to me at the time as being anything spiritual in nature. I was really spiritually dumb at the time.

Back to this Church. Year 1979!.. They did the taking of bread and grape juice. Everyone in the Church was doing what I would perceive as some sort of chanting. There was some kind of entity or power in there that it seemed as you could cut
through it with a butter knife. I had no idea what it was. Whatever was going on. I had no fear, no red flags came up, or anything.
Every single thing that went on in that Church. I was 100% completely clueless about that day.
I could have not been any more neutral in my thinking.

Fast forward to 2008. I meet someone that gets me going to church. Seems I learned a few things about
Christianity and the Lord during the next couple of years.
Then it dawns on me in 2010. WOW! That Church in 1979. All were speaking in tongues way back then. That is what was going on. What a powerful Church that was. I sure wish that I could check up on them this day.

All I can say to all requarding Spirituality and Christianity.
Just because some may have not experienced much or anything. Maybe they have not read what the Bible teaches.
Either case does not make it untrue.
I would say to all who do not believe. Ask Jesus/God to reveal more to you. What beliefs that due come to your heart.
See what the scriptures have to say about these insights for if they are from God or Not.

 

[Trailblazer]

I have heard horror stories about misused "tongues" and personally, it scares the daylights out of me to consider some babbling I can't understand myself and direct it toward my Almighty God in any way. Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

Have faith of the Holy Spirit within you. I am drawing a blank right now of the scriptures written of how the Holy Spirit intercedes in our prayer life. Crash diving on the pancakes I ate many hrs ago may have something to do with it. LOL

In the scriptures. Is there anywhere that it is written that speaking in other tongues was used by the enemy?
In 1995. I had a prompting to check out this tiny little trailer sitting in a truck stop that was being used as a Church in OK City. I had issues with bad, evil people at the time.

There were two female Pastors in this trl Church. One highly educated, and the other not. They spoke of forgiveness.
They received the gift of tongues after they were able to forgive anybody for no matter how bad of sin that was
committed by an evil doer.
For whatever reason. They had mentioned it took two years for the educated pastor to forgive, while the uneducated was able to forgive almost immediately before receiving the gift of tongues.
These two, and one other pastor who just came by visiting all layed hands on me and prayed over me before I left.

I then hit the road, seeking the Lord and asking for the Gift of tongues with all my heart mind and soul for many months.
I never did receive the gift of tongues. When I really search my heart deep down to this day. I do sense a tiny bit of wanting some proof to show others that having the gift of tongues is a way of proving that God is with me.
It would be used like going into a default mode. if I ever would doubt my faith, and all that God has shown me.
I could mention my gift of tongues. Totally wrong motivation for this gift.

What does come to my heart when I would ask for this gift? My Grace is sufficient for you. I am content with that.
I have spoken with others that did receive the gift of tongues. What they shared with me! Speaking in Tongues is a supernatural way of praying to God and speaking with the Angels. They tell me that this is very powerful, and that
I should really seek out this gift.

Even with that said. It is no longer in my heart to seek the gift of tongues. My grace is sufficient is what comes
to heart and mind on this matter. I again am content with that. For it is not man we are trying to please or empress.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

if I had a dollar for every time I herd a urban legend about tongues I could retire . 1 cor 12. 13, 14 make it very Clear that Tongues and other Gifts are from the Holy Spirit and disturbed by the Holy Spirit as HE see the need for.

1 cor 12; 1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant
So Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit tell the church about the gift of who? verse 4 : Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. "S"
:8For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; "S"
:9
:10 etc...

no where in the bible does it ever say the Working of the Holy Spirit or the gifting of the Holy Spirit has stopped. But 1 cor 12. 13, and 14 speak of how they are to be used when to be used and in the Mode of Love when using them.

are there abuses done with the gifting from the Holy Spirit ? yep sure is preach is one Pastoring is another. is there abuses in the gifts of the Spirit yep that is why Paul sent this letter to combat the foolishness does that mean the gift are not for today absolutely Not. the Point should be and focused on these gifts come from the Holy Spirit and we are told not to be uneducated about them and we are told to desire the gifts to for the glory of God. all those this is a great opinionated doctrinal attack on the gift of the Holy Spirit that have no scriptural ref: to the gift being done away with. I too could provide unborn legend on tongues of how it to was used and people who walked in herd it and were blessed. But that still would not be what the Bible says about tongues would it? I thank God for all the gift of HIs Holy Spirit and I thank Him more for my salvation. Praise His Holy name which I will pray in the Spirit and I will pray with my understand too as the holy Spirit has enabled me to do so.

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I don't know what the above has to do with what I posted in response to:

Originally Posted by just-us-2
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Another story unfolds like this. A young man received a gift of tongues and was so excited about it, that he called his sister (who lived in Germany knowing that she had a faith in God while in times past, he didn’t. He wanted to give her an example of this gift over the phone, and as he commenced, she screamed “STOP-STOP!” I can’t bear the awful things that you are saying about God! He was blaspheming God in the German tongue.​

Originally Posted by peacefulbeliever
Then he was not speaking in tongues by the Spirit of God - Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the holy Spirit. 1 Co. 12:3

 

[RedTent]

Tongues was turned into a "heavenly prayer language" by people attempting to justify the use of gibberish that cannot be understood because it has no meaning.

I think to turn against scripture is very foolish. Scripture says it is a gift.

I went to a church known for their speaking in tongues to hear it, because I never had. So I listened. Then the interpreter got up to say they were saying "the death of the children". Frankly, I would bet that demons were there in that church.

So, from this experience, do you think it would be correct to say there is no such gift, or that no one ever speaks to the Lord in that way? I don't think so!!!

However, from that experience I concluded that it is possible to use the idea of tongues in the wrong way, or by the wrong spirit.

 

[Calminian]

Absolutely, much of the time, yes, but not always.

I'm struggling to understand the usefulness of a sign that is so unimpressive and easily imitated. Seems the signs claimed today are infinitely less wondrous then the Pentecost signs, and can be duplicated by just about anyone.

I'm not saying those doing it are not sincere, nor that they are not worshiping God. Nevertheless, it must grieve God that they confuse these strange behaviors with the real miracles.

And I don't even see a biblical mandate for cessation. I just can't see a continuation of the caliber of signs that happened at Pentecost, and it appears neither can most charismatics. They seem to be content with these lesser signs, and seem to accept the greater ones have ceased.

 

[Calminian]

Isn't it amazing how people can come up with such statements when many of them have never stepped through the door of a Pentecostal church? And when they do, they base their whole experience from services of a single church?

I can speak about Pentecostals because I AM ONE with over 30 years in the ministry besides. I'm not bragging, but making a point that if I'm gonna listen to anybody, it's gonna be someone with REAL EXPERIENCE.

You know I've heard this same argument in the past, but it was from a mormon. In essence he was saying, "How can you judge us, when you haven't experienced what we have?" He of course was speaking about the burning in the bosom they experienced which told them the book of Mormon was true—in fact the truest book ever written. This experience is one of the primary tests of their faith.

But we explained to them the Bible never speaks about testing things by experience. We test truth claims by the Word of God. There is no need to go and experience a particular denomination before evaluating their doctrinal claims. It's about God's word, and His Word alone.

 

[Tintin]

I'm struggling to understand the usefulness of a sign that is so unimpressive and easily imitated. Seems the signs claimed today are infinitely less wondrous then the Pentecost signs, and can be duplicated by just about anyone.

I'm not saying those doing it are not sincere, nor that they are not worshiping God. Nevertheless, it must grieve God that they confuse these strange behaviors with the real miracles.

And I don't even see a biblical mandate for cessation. I just can't see a continuation of the caliber of signs that happened at Pentecost, and it appears neither can most charismatics. They seem to be content with these lesser signs, and seem to accept the greater ones have ceased.

That's the thing though, speaking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit, not necessarily a miracle. Say what you like, it's essentially a prayer language.