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chootchooot said:
melted battery backup system on the 80th floor? did you really just say that?
here is what melted lead looks like...
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you are wrong on several levels...

first of all lead and virtually all other metals -do- start to glow at temperatures above 525 degrees celsius... lead melts at about 327 degrees...industries that work with molten lead would have pretty much no reason to heat it beyond that temperature...let alone over 200 degrees beyond its melting point...which accounts for the lack of any glow from the lead in this photo...

secondly your photo shows pure lead...it would be unrealistic to assume that a melted and burned battery system would produce a stream of pure lead...and impurities and chemical reactions in the metal can change its color and what it does when it is heated...

for example here is a photo that shows a crucible containing a melted mixture of lead oxide and zinc oxide and an acid...it is noteworthy that lead and zinc and acid are all common in batteries...

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finally look at the photos of the stuff pouring out of the world trade center...several stories down and it has cooled to a silvery color...steel on the other hand is pretty much black after it cools down below the glowing temperature...just more evidence that this could not have been molten steel...
 
chootchooot said:
At this point with all the evidence here am convinced that if you believed the world was flat and we showed you pictures of the earth and did everything we could to prove to you it was round, you still wouldn't believe. If we showed you pictures of the earth from space you would say "such poor quality" "this is an obvious Photoshop" and then if at the very end we had astronauts who went to space and saw the earth first hand and told you it was round you would say "tell me this, why is it that all the astronauts I've met have been demon possessed"
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here is the problem with this analogy...it is the 9/11 conspiracy theorists who are on the intellectual level of the flat earth society...not the people who aren't fooled by their bogus 'evidence'...
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
in the end this is basically all you have...a few people making claims they can't prove...
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this is only one video, can show you more if you want, and also these are people who were there, were you there that day? and all the sudden you know more than them? these firefighters are to stupid to know what molten metal is?
 
chootchooot said:
after 911 and when the molten steel dried up it made a bunch of these fused steel and concrete rocks
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this just looks like concrete with some rusty metal sticking out of it...i see nothing in this photo to suggest that it was ever molten steel...
 
chootchooot said:
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this also just looks like nothing more than concrete with rusty metal sticking out of it...i see no smooth surfaces like you would expect if any of it was ever molten...

the world trade center was full of concrete that had been reinforced with steel...these kinds of pictures are exactly what we would expect...there is no reason to come up with a molten steel theory to explain them...
 
chootchooot said:
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this one is just the return of 'anything glowing red or orange must be molten steel'...because it couldn't possibly be that just plain old ordinary fire from a building that was burning down might be the cause of red and orange glows in photos...
 
blue_ladybug said:
I'd hate to see what happens to them on judgment day when God asks them why they let the govt deceive them! just sayin'...
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and i would hate to see what happens to conspiracy theorists on judgment day when it turns out that they are all goats...
 
chootchooot said:
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so now molten steel is the only thing that can cause thermal hot spots...oy vey...

anyway notice that in these photos a few small isolated hot spots still remain...and a few small hot spots have even appeared in new locations...

this is not the way molten steel would behave...it cools quickly and would not still be at that temperature a week later...and under no circumstances would steel suddenly become molten where it previously wasn't...so these hot spots are obviously not molten steel...

the explanation is obvious...the hot spots are fires...slowly burning themselves out over a period of several days...and newly igniting in isolated locations from time to time...exactly like fires behave...
 
ok show a video of lead being heated to a bright orange color and then show what temperature it would have to be to get that hot, so you are saying these back up power supply batteries were on the 80th floor? and these batteries melted and somehow made it's way to the widow and poured out? and that these batteries were massive enough to be melted and for firefighters on the ground to see it falling from the 80th floor?
here are some more people who saw the melted steel John Gross NIST 911 Lead Investigator Molten Metal PEOPLE PLEASE PLEASE WATCH THIS.wmv - YouTube
 
chootchooot said:
molten cools when it has air around to cool it...sitting in a big pile like this it would take a long time. Do you need to see the videos that shows the workers saying it was still hot 2 months after 911? what other reason could it had been hot 2 months later?
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steel does not stay molten for two months...steel cools quickly and also conducts heat efficiently...the steel would have cooled -first- out of all of the stuff in the pile...

so your argument has self destructed...

what could have kept it hot for two months? maybe -fire-? the fires burned for about ninety-nine days until all available fuel was consumed...
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
still more 'anything glowing red or orange must be molten steel'
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ok so show something that glows a bright orange color and tell us what temperature it is, you label all of these things as not molten steel but then you wont show any videos or pictures of what it could be, and there are tons of this glowing orange stuff so it would be a joke to say it was from the comp batteries... because the pile was so hot it fused some of the steel beams together...
 
chootchooot said:
this is only one video, can show you more if you want, and also these are people who were there, were you there that day? and all the sudden you know more than them? these firefighters are to stupid to know what molten metal is?
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there were tens of thousands of rescue workers there...tens of thousands who -don't- say there was molten steel...

do you think you know more than them? are you calling them stupid?
 
RachelBibleStudent said:
there were tens of thousands of rescue workers there...tens of thousands who -don't- say there was molten steel...

do you think you know more than them? are you calling them stupid?
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well you heven't showed anyone saying that there was no molten steel, maybe show a vid first, there would be no motives for these firefighters to lie about the molten steel
 
chootchooot said:
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the beam in the top left has the same characteristics as someone using thermite to melt through steel, it has the same colored dried steel drippings and the other pics are the same color as molten that were seen on 911.
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i forgot this one...although a photo like the one at the top left was posted before...i guess you ran out of 'evidence' and you are recycling now...

the photo proves nothing for two reasons...

first of all there were workers removing the steel beams from the site after 9/11...they would have had to cut them...so the photo could easily just be showing what was left of a beam that had been cut away by the workers...

secondly here is a link to a photo of a -broken- steel beam from a crane accident... 51st Street crane collapse | Arup | A global firm of consulting engineers, designers, planners and project managers

notice the similar 'dripping' appearance even though there was not actually any melting or dripping of this broken beam...
 
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