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Romans 5:8-10 (ASV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life;
Luke 19:9 (GW)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to Zacchaeus, “You and your family have been saved today. You've shown that you, too, are one of Abraham's descendants.
BEFORE THEY WERE BAPTIZED.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] But God commendeth his own love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Much more then, being now justified by his blood, shall we be saved from the wrath of God through him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For if, while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God through the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, shall we be saved by his life;
Luke 19:9 (GW)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Then Jesus said to Zacchaeus, “You and your family have been saved today. You've shown that you, too, are one of Abraham's descendants.
BEFORE THEY WERE BAPTIZED.
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Of course we need to do God's commandments. And because we don't, we need salvation. There is none who does good, no not one. And of course He who has trusted Christ as Savior should be water baptized. The need to obey is not the issue. The issue is what saves? An unsaved person cannot qualify by good works, because he does not do good works. You need to realize that you have to come as a sinner, God be merciful to me a sinner, if you will be saved.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you will be saved.
over & over again it is believe & be saved,
NO WATER & NO WORKS
until after salvation.
Mk 16 does not say that baptism is essential for salvation.
Mk 16 does not mention water at all either.
Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, & you will be saved.
over & over again it is believe & be saved,
NO WATER & NO WORKS
until after salvation.
Mk 16 does not say that baptism is essential for salvation.
Mk 16 does not mention water at all either.
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you continue to suggest that someone is saying that one is saved by works....the reason you are doing that is because you are denying the truth...
we are saved by grace through faith....God commands the obedience of faith.....obey what you believe.....so you must believe everything Christ say....he is the author and finisher of our faith...
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Romans 16:26English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—
we are saved by grace through faith....God commands the obedience of faith.....obey what you believe.....so you must believe everything Christ say....he is the author and finisher of our faith...
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Romans 16:26English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—
QUESTION: How are "Diciples" made?
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them...
QUESTION: Are "Diciples" In God' family?
Matthew 12:49
Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
Two (2) QUESTIONS please reply!
I point out... God' Children, those people in God' family are going to go to heaven!
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them...
QUESTION: Are "Diciples" In God' family?
Matthew 12:49
Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers.
Two (2) QUESTIONS please reply!
I point out... God' Children, those people in God' family are going to go to heaven!
If we are discussing what must I do to be saved, why do you keep going on about works? No one is arguing that good works do not FOLLOW salvation.
No works can save. Water immersion is a human work. Water immersion does not save.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, lest anyone should boast.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
No works can save. Water immersion is a human work. Water immersion does not save.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, lest anyone should boast.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.
[NO WORKS, NO WATER]
Good to meet you...
I reply.... No water means "No faith in the words of God"!
Faith is: "Believing the words of Jesus!"
The scriptures are the words of Jesus.... ALL THE SCRIPTURES!
Acts 2:40
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Note Atwood 3000 people were saved by Baptism the first day of the church!
3000 were "ADDED" to Jesus' body by baptism!
I reply.... No water means "No faith in the words of God"!
Faith is: "Believing the words of Jesus!"
The scriptures are the words of Jesus.... ALL THE SCRIPTURES!
Acts 2:40
With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.
Note Atwood 3000 people were saved by Baptism the first day of the church!
3000 were "ADDED" to Jesus' body by baptism!
Atwood NOTE:
All peoples "IN Jesus' Body" are God' children! God has only one son.. JUST One (1) Child "Jesus"! You MUST be in the body of Jesus to be called "God' Child"!
3000 people were "ADDED to Jesus' body by Baptism!
The church ADDED 3000 to God' family by Baptism the first day!
Baptism saves!
It saves those people that believe the scriptures....
16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
God's words.... The scriptures tell believers to; WASH AWAY OUR SINS.... By Baptism!
Faith is Believing the words of God Acts 22 (above) is gods words.... Word for word!
You quote this verse...
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, lest anyone should boast.
Atwood I point out... Eph 2:8-10 is about "the WORKS of the HANDS not the heart. CIRCUMCISION is a work of the hand.. It is a work of the "Mosaic law"! The next verst puts it into Context! The THEREFORE at the start of verse #11 puts it into context!11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—
Not a thing about saved by FAITH ALONE!
NOT saved by your circumcision!!!
Atwood Eph 2:8 is telling you "Your Circumcision will not save you"! Not by "WORKS of the hands", it is telling you "Circumcision is a work of the hands!"
Baptism saves!
All peoples "IN Jesus' Body" are God' children! God has only one son.. JUST One (1) Child "Jesus"! You MUST be in the body of Jesus to be called "God' Child"!
3000 people were "ADDED to Jesus' body by Baptism!
The church ADDED 3000 to God' family by Baptism the first day!
Baptism saves!
It saves those people that believe the scriptures....
16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’
God's words.... The scriptures tell believers to; WASH AWAY OUR SINS.... By Baptism!
Faith is Believing the words of God Acts 22 (above) is gods words.... Word for word!
You quote this verse...
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, lest anyone should boast.
Atwood I point out... Eph 2:8-10 is about "the WORKS of the HANDS not the heart. CIRCUMCISION is a work of the hand.. It is a work of the "Mosaic law"! The next verst puts it into Context! The THEREFORE at the start of verse #11 puts it into context!11 Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called “uncircumcised” by those who call themselves “the circumcision” (which is done in the body by human hands)—
Not a thing about saved by FAITH ALONE!
NOT saved by your circumcision!!!
Atwood Eph 2:8 is telling you "Your Circumcision will not save you"! Not by "WORKS of the hands", it is telling you "Circumcision is a work of the hands!"
Baptism saves!
Atwood your quote...
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
QUESTION
What is the Context of John 6:47 what comes before John 6:47
and after John 6:47?
He who BELIEVES "WHAT" has eternal life?!
I must point out.... These are the words of Jesus.. The words of GOD!
He who believe the words of God has eternl life....
What are the words of God that you >>> MUST <<< believe!?
This comes before verse # 47 ... GOD IS TEACHING
45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.
Atwood what is the TEACHING of God???
The TEACHING of God ends in verse Number 59.. All that is between is the TEACHING of God!
59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue at Capernaum.
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
QUESTION
What is the Context of John 6:47 what comes before John 6:47
and after John 6:47?
He who BELIEVES "WHAT" has eternal life?!
I must point out.... These are the words of Jesus.. The words of GOD!
He who believe the words of God has eternl life....
What are the words of God that you >>> MUST <<< believe!?
This comes before verse # 47 ... GOD IS TEACHING
45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me— 46 not that anyone has seen the Father except he who is from God; he has seen the Father.
Atwood what is the TEACHING of God???
The TEACHING of God ends in verse Number 59.. All that is between is the TEACHING of God!
59 He said this while teaching in the synagogue at Capernaum.
Atwood you claim to be a man of God but you lie to the face of everyone without remorse...where in this post am I going on about works? it is clear you like srossnote do not read posts...........you continue to suggest that someone is saying that one is saved by works....the reason you are doing that is because you are denying the truth...
we are saved by grace through faith....God commands the obedience of faith.....obey what you believe.....so you must believe everything Christ say....he is the author and finisher of our faith...
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Romans 16:26English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—
this is your post where you imply...
we are saved by grace through faith....God commands the obedience of faith.....obey what you believe.....so you must believe everything Christ say....he is the author and finisher of our faith...
Hebrews 12:2
Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Romans 16:26English Standard Version (ESV)
[SUP]26 [/SUP]but has now been disclosed and through the prophetic writings has been made known to all nations, according to the command of the eternal God, to bring about the obedience of faith—
this is your post where you imply...
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newbirth,, you said "you need to believe everything he says and obey his commands....."
newbirth, you said to me
"Your statement proves you do not believe God can keep that which is committed unto him....Your statement proves you do not believe you must obey the word of God...your statement proves you want to tell God how to do his work...."
Apparently I do Not know what to Believe according to your comments about me,
Could you please give me DETAILS
About what I need to BELIEVE about JESUS CHRIST ?
newbirth, you said to me
"Your statement proves you do not believe God can keep that which is committed unto him....Your statement proves you do not believe you must obey the word of God...your statement proves you want to tell God how to do his work...."
Apparently I do Not know what to Believe according to your comments about me,
Could you please give me DETAILS
About what I need to BELIEVE about JESUS CHRIST ?
and I will say it again...everything he says to do you must do...the commandment of God can be summed up in one word...love....if you love me keep my commandments.....
1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1 John 3:14
We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
John 14:21
He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
John 15:10
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
So why don't you believe it all?
Over & over salvation is offered without one drop of water required.
Moreover, works are specifically excluded.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
DogK,
1) where does the word by occur?
2) The text says 2 things a) were baptized & b) were added to their number. No instrumental relationship is expressed.
Spirit baptism is what puts one in the Body of Christ 1 Cor 12:13, not water.
3) water does not even occur in Acts 2.
4) context of Acts 2 is the prophecy of Acts 1 that they would be Spirit baptized not many days hence.
5) Your text doesn't say that the baptism saved them.
6) The verb in 2:39 is Σώθητε, Aorist passive, not "save yourselves," but "be saved."
Water is never the means of salvation in the Bible. And water-immersion cannot be essential to salvation as many, many times salvation is offered just for believing. In fact the list of verses is too long for one post on this forum. So I just post a sample.
The only MUST I DO for salvation is believe/have faith/trust. Sirs, what MUST-I-DO to be saved? Answer:
Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved.
Water immersion is an human work, and as Eph 2 points out, by grace you are saved through faith . . . not of works!
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
Over & over salvation is offered without one drop of water required.
Moreover, works are specifically excluded.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
DogK,
1) where does the word by occur?
2) The text says 2 things a) were baptized & b) were added to their number. No instrumental relationship is expressed.
Spirit baptism is what puts one in the Body of Christ 1 Cor 12:13, not water.
3) water does not even occur in Acts 2.
4) context of Acts 2 is the prophecy of Acts 1 that they would be Spirit baptized not many days hence.
5) Your text doesn't say that the baptism saved them.
6) The verb in 2:39 is Σώθητε, Aorist passive, not "save yourselves," but "be saved."
Water is never the means of salvation in the Bible. And water-immersion cannot be essential to salvation as many, many times salvation is offered just for believing. In fact the list of verses is too long for one post on this forum. So I just post a sample.
The only MUST I DO for salvation is believe/have faith/trust. Sirs, what MUST-I-DO to be saved? Answer:
Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved.
Water immersion is an human work, and as Eph 2 points out, by grace you are saved through faith . . . not of works!
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
NO WATER. NO WORKS.
So are you going to comply with the rules in Mat 10?
Are you keeping all the law of Moses, every jot & tittle?
And have you bought a sword yet?
Have you sold your coat to buy a sword?
Do you go fishing at tax time to get a coin to pay the tax with?
And are you perfect as the Father? He said to be perfect.
The topic we have been discussing is not the commandments of the Lord Jesus, but how to get saved. How to get damned is very apparent; just insist on how holy you are and how you keep the commandments.
Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one should boast
No Works, No Water!
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
No Works, No Water!
John 3:36[/URL]
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
No Works, No Water!
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
No Works, No Water!
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
No Works, No Water!
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
No Works, No Water!
Are you keeping all the law of Moses, every jot & tittle?
And have you bought a sword yet?
Have you sold your coat to buy a sword?
Do you go fishing at tax time to get a coin to pay the tax with?
And are you perfect as the Father? He said to be perfect.
The topic we have been discussing is not the commandments of the Lord Jesus, but how to get saved. How to get damned is very apparent; just insist on how holy you are and how you keep the commandments.
Salvation is by grace through faith, not of works.
Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one should boast
No Works, No Water!
John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
No Works, No Water!
John 3:36[/URL]
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
No Works, No Water!
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
No Works, No Water!
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
No Works, No Water!
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
No Works, No Water!
K
Before 1611 the word Baptize did not exist in the English language. It was created by the transcribers of the 1611 KJV bible. If you look at the strong' s it is used literately and figuratively.. To be baptized in Christ means to be immersed in Christ. To baptized in water means to be immersed in water. Which one will save you, your work or His work?
Saving faith or belief is trusting the Savior, it is not a what, but a who(m).
Whosoever believeth IN HIM should . . . have everlasting life.
As proclaimed over & over in scripture, too many times for one post, salvation is offered to man for belief/faith/trust in the Savior, the Lord Jesus. Factual belief is not enough.
When I was a lad I walked forward to "join the church." The preacher asked me if I believed that Jesus was the Son of God. I said, "Yes." And I did. (so do satan & the demons). My name was put on the church role, & I became a "member of the church," but not saved!
We must indeed believe certain facts about Christ and agree with God on them (homologeo). That is defining the object of faith with enough accuracy. He is not Jesus the Mexican car mechanic who saves no one.
But we must depend on Him.
You may exercise that faith in a call:
For whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved (Jesus as YHWH).
Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto YHWH;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.
Quote a verse. I don't know what you refer to here.
But it is clear that it is a person to trust for salvation, not just believing that a document is God's word.
Actually I took the time long ago to read the whole Bible through & mark all the passages on salvation in pink. Have you done that?
Here is some more of God's teaching where salvation said to be by faith/belief/trust, apart from any works, & without one drop of water (no immersion):
NO WATER, NO WORKS
Philip 3:8-9
Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ, and be found in him, not having a righteousness of mine own, even that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith:
NO WATER, NO WORKS
Col 2:6
As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
NO WATER, NO WORKS
2 Tim 3:15b
the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
NO WATER, NO WORKS
Titus 1:4
to Titus, my true child after a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour.
NO WATER, NO WORKS
Heb 3:19ff
And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief. Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest;
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Come unto me all ye who labor & are heavy-laden . . . & I will give you rest.
Whosoever believeth IN HIM should . . . have everlasting life.
As proclaimed over & over in scripture, too many times for one post, salvation is offered to man for belief/faith/trust in the Savior, the Lord Jesus. Factual belief is not enough.
When I was a lad I walked forward to "join the church." The preacher asked me if I believed that Jesus was the Son of God. I said, "Yes." And I did. (so do satan & the demons). My name was put on the church role, & I became a "member of the church," but not saved!
We must indeed believe certain facts about Christ and agree with God on them (homologeo). That is defining the object of faith with enough accuracy. He is not Jesus the Mexican car mechanic who saves no one.
But we must depend on Him.
You may exercise that faith in a call:
For whosoever shall call on the name of the LORD shall be saved (Jesus as YHWH).
Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto YHWH;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.
Quote a verse. I don't know what you refer to here.
But it is clear that it is a person to trust for salvation, not just believing that a document is God's word.
Actually I took the time long ago to read the whole Bible through & mark all the passages on salvation in pink. Have you done that?
Here is some more of God's teaching where salvation said to be by faith/belief/trust, apart from any works, & without one drop of water (no immersion):
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Philip 3:8-9
Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ, and be found in him, not having a righteousness of mine own, even that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith:
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Col 2:6
As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
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2 Tim 3:15b
the sacred writings which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
NO WATER, NO WORKS
Titus 1:4
to Titus, my true child after a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Saviour.
NO WATER, NO WORKS
Heb 3:19ff
And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief. Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest;
NO WATER, NO WORKS
Come unto me all ye who labor & are heavy-laden . . . & I will give you rest.
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newbirth, Let's try again... Tell me what I have to BELIEVE about JESUS CHRIST
Just tell me the story about JESUS CHRIST
newbirth,, you said "you need to believe everything he says and obey his commands....."
newbirth, you said to me
"Your statement proves you do not believe God can keep that which is committed unto him....Your statement proves you do not believe you must obey the word of God...your statement proves you want to tell God how to do his work...."
Apparently I do Not know what to Believe according to your comments about me,
Could you please give me DETAILS
About what I need to BELIEVE about JESUS CHRIST ?
Just tell me the story about JESUS CHRIST
newbirth,, you said "you need to believe everything he says and obey his commands....."
newbirth, you said to me
"Your statement proves you do not believe God can keep that which is committed unto him....Your statement proves you do not believe you must obey the word of God...your statement proves you want to tell God how to do his work...."
Apparently I do Not know what to Believe according to your comments about me,
Could you please give me DETAILS
About what I need to BELIEVE about JESUS CHRIST ?
I point out that Ephesians 2 says works don't save. The category is not restricted to some works vs others. And Eph 2 is not the only passage that negates works. I will give you some more to contemplate where there is no water required, as well as the context of Eph.
2:1 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins, 2 wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience; 3 among whom we also all once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest:— 4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), 6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus: 8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not of works, that no man should glory. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.
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Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
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Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
NO WATER
Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe;
NO WATER; ALL RULES OUT ADDITIONS TO FAITH
for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith,
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in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
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Rom 4:1ff
\What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
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6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
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10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe,
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though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
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14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith,
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that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
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Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
NO WATER
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
NO WATER
For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
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2:1 And you did he make alive, when ye were dead through your trespasses and sins, 2 wherein ye once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the powers of the air, of the spirit that now worketh in the sons of disobedience; 3 among whom we also all once lived in the lusts of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest:— 4 but God, being rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, 5 even when we were dead through our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace have ye been saved), 6 and raised us up with him, and made us to sit with him in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus: 7 that in the ages to come he might show the exceeding riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus: 8 for by grace have ye been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not of works, that no man should glory. 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God afore prepared that we should walk in them.
NO WATER
Acts 26:18b
that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.
NO WATER
Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.
NO WATER
Rom 3:21-30
But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe;
NO WATER; ALL RULES OUT ADDITIONS TO FAITH
for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith,
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in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.
NO WATER
Rom 4:1ff
\What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
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4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness.
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6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.
9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness.
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10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe,
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though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith.
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14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith,
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that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.
NO WATER
Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
NO WATER
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.
NO WATER
Rom 10:4ff
For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes.
NO WATER
For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down
or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.NO WATER