What is the different between original sin and daily sin.
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Here is a link to an audio file called "Repentance Unto Life."
http://www.filedropper.com/repentanceuntolife
This lesson changed my life for it was the first time I ever heard repentance preached within the context that I was responsible for my own sin.
http://www.filedropper.com/repentanceuntolife
This lesson changed my life for it was the first time I ever heard repentance preached within the context that I was responsible for my own sin.
K
The difference between original sin and sin we commit daily is a simple thing. Because of Adam we are born into sin, that is original sin. It means that we are slaves to sin and have no choice but to sin. Now it is symbolic of Israel being captive in Egypt. They didn't want to be there and they were slaves and the task master hand was heavy. Then came the Passover and they were set free from their bondage. Yet they continued to sin in their freedom, by not trusting God. They all died and never entered the promised land.
It is the same in our modern life. We were bound by sin, in fact we enjoyed our sin. Then one day we heard the gospel and the Holy Spirit convicted our heart and we repented and accepted Jesus as our savoir. Then, we started looking to our self for righteousness and God will not accept that. God will only accept faith in the cross and nothing else. It is His ultimate sacrifice.
When we place faith in our fasting or water baptism or whatever. The power of sin that was broken come s back and we find our-self in sin. We wonder what's wrong with me, why can't I stop doing this and we go to the Pastor and He say's well pray more and read more and do more work for the church. But, it is to no avail and you are driving yourself mad wondering and praying, but God will not help you.
The answer is the cross. You must go back to the cross. Look keeping a feast will not help you, going to church everyday the door is open will not help you. Reading ten chapters a day will not help you. A Daniel fast will not set you free.
You must make the cross and the work thereof the focal point of your faith and then you will be set free. There is no other way and no church fad that will do it. The cross is the only answer.
It is the same in our modern life. We were bound by sin, in fact we enjoyed our sin. Then one day we heard the gospel and the Holy Spirit convicted our heart and we repented and accepted Jesus as our savoir. Then, we started looking to our self for righteousness and God will not accept that. God will only accept faith in the cross and nothing else. It is His ultimate sacrifice.
When we place faith in our fasting or water baptism or whatever. The power of sin that was broken come s back and we find our-self in sin. We wonder what's wrong with me, why can't I stop doing this and we go to the Pastor and He say's well pray more and read more and do more work for the church. But, it is to no avail and you are driving yourself mad wondering and praying, but God will not help you.
The answer is the cross. You must go back to the cross. Look keeping a feast will not help you, going to church everyday the door is open will not help you. Reading ten chapters a day will not help you. A Daniel fast will not set you free.
You must make the cross and the work thereof the focal point of your faith and then you will be set free. There is no other way and no church fad that will do it. The cross is the only answer.
The difference between original sin and sin we commit daily is a simple thing. Because of Adam we are born into sin, that is original sin. It means that we are slaves to sin and have no choice but to sin.
See folks, this is the perfect example of someone who believes in Original Sin stating as a matter of fact that that sinning has nothing to do with a choice they made. In other words this person believes they are a VICTIM of a birth state instead of a CRIMINAL who has defied authority.
Satan could not come up with a better deception but to tell people that they "have no choice but to sin" therefore "stop sinning" is IMPOSSIBLE. This Original Sin changes everything.
So when the Bible says something like...
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
The response is "I cannot do that because I have no choice but to sin." Therefore under this delusion a sinner approaches God refusing to do what they have been taught they cannot do which is REPENT AND TURN FROM SIN. If Satan can convince people that repentance has nothing to do with forsaking rebellion and yielding to God then he has them marked for eternal ruin.
The Bible is replete with examples and admonishes to forsake wickedness and yield to God. In Nineveh they stopped their sin and turned to God for mercy, they didn't excuse themselves by claiming "we cannot help it" and simply "trust in God." How absurd it is to believe such a thing.
The prophets warned time and time again...
Isa 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
Jer 26:13 Therefore now amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of the LORD your God; and the LORD will repent him of the evil that he hath pronounced against you.
Yet people IGNORE what the Bible plainly teaches because they elevate their dogma to a higher place in their mind than what the Bible teaches. How foolish is that?
We can clearly prove that Original Sin entered church orthodoxy through the prolific influence of Augustine in the Fourth Century. Encyclopedias even confirm that fact. We can clearly prove that the early church did not teach Original Sin and that they also refuted its tenets in their writings, we can see this by simply reading the Ante-Nicene Fathers Volume 1. Yet this proof means nothing to those who elevate dogma to a higher place than truth. To them dogma is truth, not truth based on evidence.
That is why all these Original Sin believers cannot refute what I have written in this thread. All they can do is come against it with rhetoric and allusions to isolated verses they rip out of context. Neither will any of them ever broach the subject of heart purity, the cessation of the service of sin, nor escaping the corruption in the world through lust. Those topics are off limits to these people because those topics expose their religion and salvation message as utterly false.
Yet in spite of this people love the lie.
2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
Let's continue Kerry's post...
What about being convicted by the Holy Spirit and being brought to godly sorrow whereby we change our minds about sin, thus forsaking our rebellion, turning back to God and approaching Him with a broken and contrite heart seeking His mercy via the blood of Christ? That is what the Bible teaches.
People like Kerry here always seem to approach the notion that one must "forsake evil" as somehow being equivalent to "looking to our self for righteousness." No it isn't. Turning to God and obeying Him is DOING THE RIGHT THING and righteousness is simply DOING THE RIGHT THING BY FAITH. It has nothing to do with "self righteousness."
"Self Righteousness" is when someone sets up their own standard of righteousness apart from God's standard. It is not when someone submits themselves to the righteousness of God.
These people view the death of Christ as effecting a "provision" which we are to simply "trust in" and then like magic our sins are covered. That is what they think grace is, some provisional transaction effected by Jesus on the cross, yet this provision still leaves them inwardly filthy which is why they abhor notion that the sin has to stop.
Penal Substitution is the heresy here, a damnable doctrine dreamed up in the Reformation by the "sin we will and sin we must crowd" who needed a doctrine which cloaked ongoing iniquity. Anyone can look this doctrine up and know that is has only been around 500 years, yet as with Original Sin, facts don't matter to most of these people.
The cross to these people is the TRANSACTION they believe in where Jesus "paid for their sin" by being "punished by God in their place" thus making their sin debt not due anymore. That is what they trust in.
Many of them also believe that the "obedience of Jesus is credited to their account" if they "trust that it is," ie. that is what they think faith is.
Notice that Kerry NOT ONCE mentions dying to the service of sin through dying with Christ in repentance. That notion does not exist in the doctrine these people believe.
They believe you...
1. Confess you are a sinner (who lacks ability).
2. Trust in the transaction that took place on the cross.
3. Receive salvation as a free gift.
Yet NOTHING happens to the heart. These people come to God IN their sins as victims of a birth state (where they sin involuntarily) and then confess this state to God, then they trust God to change them some time in the future. Yet the change is meant to happen in repentance through the crisis of conviction wrought by godly sorrow. That NEVER happens.
That is why the churches are full of sin. No-one is repenting. They preach that Christian's are Romans wretches, chief of all sinners, if they say they have no sin they are liars, no-one can judge, no-one is perfect, and that they all sin in thought, word and deed every day. So long as they "trust" in Jesus and "try" to do better then all is ok, after all God doesn't see them as wicked anymore because the righteousness of Jesus has been credited to their account and all their sin was credited to Jesus.
It is the most insidious and evil deception imaginable. A deception which gives people who are still workers of iniquity comfort that they are actually reconciled to God through Jesus Christ when they aren't. They are actually dead in their sins under a strong delusion.
What is the answer?
Simple.
Read the words of Jesus Christ and do exactly what He said to do.
Now it is symbolic of Israel being captive in Egypt. They didn't want to be there and they were slaves and the task master hand was heavy. Then came the Passover and they were set free from their bondage. Yet they continued to sin in their freedom, by not trusting God. They all died and never entered the promised land.
It is the same in our modern life. We were bound by sin, in fact we enjoyed our sin. Then one day we heard the gospel and the Holy Spirit convicted our heart and we repented and accepted Jesus as our savoir. Then, we started looking to our self for righteousness and God will not accept that. God will only accept faith in the cross and nothing else. It is His ultimate sacrifice.
It is the same in our modern life. We were bound by sin, in fact we enjoyed our sin. Then one day we heard the gospel and the Holy Spirit convicted our heart and we repented and accepted Jesus as our savoir. Then, we started looking to our self for righteousness and God will not accept that. God will only accept faith in the cross and nothing else. It is His ultimate sacrifice.
People like Kerry here always seem to approach the notion that one must "forsake evil" as somehow being equivalent to "looking to our self for righteousness." No it isn't. Turning to God and obeying Him is DOING THE RIGHT THING and righteousness is simply DOING THE RIGHT THING BY FAITH. It has nothing to do with "self righteousness."
"Self Righteousness" is when someone sets up their own standard of righteousness apart from God's standard. It is not when someone submits themselves to the righteousness of God.
These people view the death of Christ as effecting a "provision" which we are to simply "trust in" and then like magic our sins are covered. That is what they think grace is, some provisional transaction effected by Jesus on the cross, yet this provision still leaves them inwardly filthy which is why they abhor notion that the sin has to stop.
Penal Substitution is the heresy here, a damnable doctrine dreamed up in the Reformation by the "sin we will and sin we must crowd" who needed a doctrine which cloaked ongoing iniquity. Anyone can look this doctrine up and know that is has only been around 500 years, yet as with Original Sin, facts don't matter to most of these people.
When we place faith in our fasting or water baptism or whatever. The power of sin that was broken come s back and we find our-self in sin. We wonder what's wrong with me, why can't I stop doing this and we go to the Pastor and He say's well pray more and read more and do more work for the church. But, it is to no avail and you are driving yourself mad wondering and praying, but God will not help you.
The answer is the cross. You must go back to the cross. Look keeping a feast will not help you, going to church everyday the door is open will not help you. Reading ten chapters a day will not help you. A Daniel fast will not set you free.
You must make the cross and the work thereof the focal point of your faith and then you will be set free. There is no other way and no church fad that will do it. The cross is the only answer.
The answer is the cross. You must go back to the cross. Look keeping a feast will not help you, going to church everyday the door is open will not help you. Reading ten chapters a day will not help you. A Daniel fast will not set you free.
You must make the cross and the work thereof the focal point of your faith and then you will be set free. There is no other way and no church fad that will do it. The cross is the only answer.
Many of them also believe that the "obedience of Jesus is credited to their account" if they "trust that it is," ie. that is what they think faith is.
Notice that Kerry NOT ONCE mentions dying to the service of sin through dying with Christ in repentance. That notion does not exist in the doctrine these people believe.
They believe you...
1. Confess you are a sinner (who lacks ability).
2. Trust in the transaction that took place on the cross.
3. Receive salvation as a free gift.
Yet NOTHING happens to the heart. These people come to God IN their sins as victims of a birth state (where they sin involuntarily) and then confess this state to God, then they trust God to change them some time in the future. Yet the change is meant to happen in repentance through the crisis of conviction wrought by godly sorrow. That NEVER happens.
That is why the churches are full of sin. No-one is repenting. They preach that Christian's are Romans wretches, chief of all sinners, if they say they have no sin they are liars, no-one can judge, no-one is perfect, and that they all sin in thought, word and deed every day. So long as they "trust" in Jesus and "try" to do better then all is ok, after all God doesn't see them as wicked anymore because the righteousness of Jesus has been credited to their account and all their sin was credited to Jesus.
It is the most insidious and evil deception imaginable. A deception which gives people who are still workers of iniquity comfort that they are actually reconciled to God through Jesus Christ when they aren't. They are actually dead in their sins under a strong delusion.
What is the answer?
Simple.
Read the words of Jesus Christ and do exactly what He said to do.
I read your first line and posted all are responsible for their sin. I did not intend to give an out for any one. I was saying that we are bent on sin and have no choice but to sin unless we accept the cross.
Do you really believe that by giving mental assent to something it really gives you the ability to choose? Do you really believe that? Come on, please use your mind.
We all have a choice because God has given us all the ability to choose. That is why God holds us accountable for our actions. If there is no choice then there is no accountability is there?
Can a young child with cancer be considered guilty for having cancer? Of course not. They are a victim of a disease.
Sin is not a disease but a MORAL ISSUE. Your doctrine redefines sin into being a disease and thus you perceive yourself as a victim. It is in your own words, you claimed that your sinning was not your choice.
You are actually blaming God for your sin because you are asserting that He made you that way. That is a horrible thing to do. Scroll back through this thread and you can see Elin contending for the fact that babies are born guilty and condemned by God. Do you believe that too? Let's not throw reason out the window and defile our consciences in trying to uphold such a blatantly evil assertion.
The cross is the MEANS we can find reconciliation with God by approaching God via the blood in repentance and faith. It has NOTHING to do with "trusting in it" while you still sin.
Look at this...
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Heb 10:20 By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
Heb 10:21 And having an high priest over the house of God;
Heb 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.
That right there is something YOU DO. That washing is conditional on this...
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
There is no cleansing of sin unless one is walking in the light. One cannot be walking in the light unless they FORSAKE THEIR REBELLION first.
That is why Jesus preached REPENTANCE.
Look at this...
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Sins are blotted out when the time of refreshing occurs.
Pro 28:13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
Mercy is granted on the condition one confesses (comes clean) about their sins and forsakes those sins.
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
God quickens us having forgiven our sins.
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Dying with Christ results in the cessation of sin. The service of sin ceases THEN we are raised up with Him that we walk in newness of life.
How can anyone who is honest and reads the Bible conclude that the sin does not have to stop, that the rebellion does not have to cease once and for all? It is all right there in the Bible.
1Pe 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
1Pe 4:2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
Why don't people believe these verses?
Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
The engrafted word is what saves the soul and in order to receive it James compels people to lay apart ALL their wickedness.
Yet if you preach that today people call you "self righteous" and "trying to save yourself" etc. Forsaking evil is not saving yourself because we cannot forgive ourselves. We are only forgiven through the cross which is the MEANS by which we approach God seeking reconciliation.
The cross is not a transaction like many believe. The cross is a MEANS by which we approach God and are enjoined into Covenant via the blood and given a fresh start whereby we go and sin no more. That is why there is a warning in Hebrews that there is no remaining sacrifice for ongoing willful sin after being cleansed, because the cleansing is meant to clean us once and for all, it is not something to be used over and over again like animals blood in the Old Testament.
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I read your first line and posted all are responsible for their sin. I did not intend to give an out for any one. I was saying that we are bent on sin and have no choice but to sin unless we accept the cross.
If you have no choice in doing something then you cannot be held responsible, in a moral sense, for doing it because it is all you could do. That is simple logic.
If human beings are "born evil" and lack the ability to "exercise virtue" then God is unjust for condemning sinners who cannot do anything but sin. Original Sin is a foolish thing to believe.
I mean, you have God being angry and condemning wicked people for not doing that which they are unable to do. Think about that for a minute.
Original Sin makes the church look stupid. It is easy to mock Christianity when the Christianity promoted is absurd and unjust.
I'll put it this way.
God is angry with people for being wicked even though they were born with no ability to not be wicked. So as a solution to this problem God sends His own Son and pretends that His Son is actually guilty and pours out His wrath on Jesus as the sinners substitute and thus is not angry anymore.
God then reckons the righteousness of His Son to all those who trust the transaction. God then looks at people who are still actually wicked but pretends they are righteous (because of the Jesus glasses) and then when they die He changes them into righteous people, but until then they are still wicked and all their righteousness is as filthy rags.
Why do people believe that nonsense?
Did Jesus teach anything like that anywhere?
Does the Bible actually teach anything like that anywhere?
No.
It is taught by MEN who made it up and use little snippets of the Bible which they rip out of context and pile their own rhetoric upon it. It is all a deception.
Wake up.
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Let's continue Kerry's post...
What about being convicted by the Holy Spirit and being brought to godly sorrow whereby we change our minds about sin, thus forsaking our rebellion, turning back to God and approaching Him with a broken and contrite heart seeking His mercy via the blood of Christ? That is what the Bible teaches.
People like Kerry here always seem to approach the notion that one must "forsake evil" as somehow being equivalent to "looking to our self for righteousness." No it isn't. Turning to God and obeying Him is DOING THE RIGHT THING and righteousness is simply DOING THE RIGHT THING BY FAITH. It has nothing to do with "self righteousness."
"Self Righteousness" is when someone sets up their own standard of righteousness apart from God's standard. It is not when someone submits themselves to the righteousness of God.
These people view the death of Christ as effecting a "provision" which we are to simply "trust in" and then like magic our sins are covered. That is what they think grace is, some provisional transaction effected by Jesus on the cross, yet this provision still leaves them inwardly filthy which is why they abhor notion that the sin has to stop.
Penal Substitution is the heresy here, a damnable doctrine dreamed up in the Reformation by the "sin we will and sin we must crowd" who needed a doctrine which cloaked ongoing iniquity. Anyone can look this doctrine up and know that is has only been around 500 years, yet as with Original Sin, facts don't matter to most of these people.
The cross to these people is the TRANSACTION they believe in where Jesus "paid for their sin" by being "punished by God in their place" thus making their sin debt not due anymore. That is what they trust in.
Many of them also believe that the "obedience of Jesus is credited to their account" if they "trust that it is," ie. that is what they think faith is.
Notice that Kerry NOT ONCE mentions dying to the service of sin through dying with Christ in repentance. That notion does not exist in the doctrine these people believe.
They believe you...
1. Confess you are a sinner (who lacks ability).
2. Trust in the transaction that took place on the cross.
3. Receive salvation as a free gift.
Yet NOTHING happens to the heart. These people come to God IN their sins as victims of a birth state (where they sin involuntarily) and then confess this state to God, then they trust God to change them some time in the future. Yet the change is meant to happen in repentance through the crisis of conviction wrought by godly sorrow. That NEVER happens.
That is why the churches are full of sin. No-one is repenting. They preach that Christian's are Romans wretches, chief of all sinners, if they say they have no sin they are liars, no-one can judge, no-one is perfect, and that they all sin in thought, word and deed every day. So long as they "trust" in Jesus and "try" to do better then all is ok, after all God doesn't see them as wicked anymore because the righteousness of Jesus has been credited to their account and all their sin was credited to Jesus.
It is the most insidious and evil deception imaginable. A deception which gives people who are still workers of iniquity comfort that they are actually reconciled to God through Jesus Christ when they aren't. They are actually dead in their sins under a strong delusion.
What is the answer?
Simple.
Read the words of Jesus Christ and do exactly what He said to do.
What about being convicted by the Holy Spirit and being brought to godly sorrow whereby we change our minds about sin, thus forsaking our rebellion, turning back to God and approaching Him with a broken and contrite heart seeking His mercy via the blood of Christ? That is what the Bible teaches.
People like Kerry here always seem to approach the notion that one must "forsake evil" as somehow being equivalent to "looking to our self for righteousness." No it isn't. Turning to God and obeying Him is DOING THE RIGHT THING and righteousness is simply DOING THE RIGHT THING BY FAITH. It has nothing to do with "self righteousness."
"Self Righteousness" is when someone sets up their own standard of righteousness apart from God's standard. It is not when someone submits themselves to the righteousness of God.
These people view the death of Christ as effecting a "provision" which we are to simply "trust in" and then like magic our sins are covered. That is what they think grace is, some provisional transaction effected by Jesus on the cross, yet this provision still leaves them inwardly filthy which is why they abhor notion that the sin has to stop.
Penal Substitution is the heresy here, a damnable doctrine dreamed up in the Reformation by the "sin we will and sin we must crowd" who needed a doctrine which cloaked ongoing iniquity. Anyone can look this doctrine up and know that is has only been around 500 years, yet as with Original Sin, facts don't matter to most of these people.
The cross to these people is the TRANSACTION they believe in where Jesus "paid for their sin" by being "punished by God in their place" thus making their sin debt not due anymore. That is what they trust in.
Many of them also believe that the "obedience of Jesus is credited to their account" if they "trust that it is," ie. that is what they think faith is.
Notice that Kerry NOT ONCE mentions dying to the service of sin through dying with Christ in repentance. That notion does not exist in the doctrine these people believe.
They believe you...
1. Confess you are a sinner (who lacks ability).
2. Trust in the transaction that took place on the cross.
3. Receive salvation as a free gift.
Yet NOTHING happens to the heart. These people come to God IN their sins as victims of a birth state (where they sin involuntarily) and then confess this state to God, then they trust God to change them some time in the future. Yet the change is meant to happen in repentance through the crisis of conviction wrought by godly sorrow. That NEVER happens.
That is why the churches are full of sin. No-one is repenting. They preach that Christian's are Romans wretches, chief of all sinners, if they say they have no sin they are liars, no-one can judge, no-one is perfect, and that they all sin in thought, word and deed every day. So long as they "trust" in Jesus and "try" to do better then all is ok, after all God doesn't see them as wicked anymore because the righteousness of Jesus has been credited to their account and all their sin was credited to Jesus.
It is the most insidious and evil deception imaginable. A deception which gives people who are still workers of iniquity comfort that they are actually reconciled to God through Jesus Christ when they aren't. They are actually dead in their sins under a strong delusion.
What is the answer?
Simple.
Read the words of Jesus Christ and do exactly what He said to do.
Elin said:
The NT consistently uses "condemn" to mean eternal death:
Mt 12:7, 37, 41, 42, 27:3; Lk 11:32; Jn 3:17, 18, 19, 5:24; R
Ro 8:1; 1Co 11:32, 34; 2Co 3:9; 1Tim 3:6; Jas 3:1, 5:9, 12; 2Pe 2:6; Jude 4.
It means physical death only when the word "death" is attached--
"condemned to death."
Please show where "condemn/condemnation" without the word "death" attached means the physical death to which all the sons of Adam must come.
Mt 12:7, 37, 41, 42, 27:3; Lk 11:32; Jn 3:17, 18, 19, 5:24; R
Ro 8:1; 1Co 11:32, 34; 2Co 3:9; 1Tim 3:6; Jas 3:1, 5:9, 12; 2Pe 2:6; Jude 4.
It means physical death only when the word "death" is attached--
"condemned to death."
Please show where "condemn/condemnation" without the word "death" attached means the physical death to which all the sons of Adam must come.
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You are speaking to a dogmatic brick wall and that is why all you get are
vacuous and dismissive dogmatic responses.
vacuous and dismissive dogmatic responses.
Give the meaning of Lk 11:48-51; Ro 3:10, 4:5, 5:18, 8:7-8, Eph 2:3 which is true to all the words of the texts and does no violence to the texts.
Both you and Cassian have yet to meet these conditions.
Here is what we find in Ezekiel...
Eze 12:2 Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.
Why couldn't the referenced folk see or hear? It was due to rebellion. Rebellion brings blindness and deafness.
Those who teach Original Sin believe that rebellion is a birth state that cannot be turned from because it is natural.
Thus when they teach that one does not have to forsake rebellion in approaching God they are in effect dooming those who buy into that to being perpetually blind and deaf. If one believes they cannot yield themselves to God by choice then they won't do it because such an endeavour has already been neutralised in the mind.
Satan is a deceiver which means he works upon the mind. Babylon means confusion and that is why the false religious system can be likened to Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots. Systematic theology is a mass of confusion and contradictions which serves the purpose to completely avoid the plain teachings of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ taught that we must strive, do, dig deep, count the cost, die to self, pick up our cross, abide in Him, keep His commandments, do what He said, endure to the end and much, much more. All that is negated by the systematic theology these people believe in. They are the modern Pharisees beholden to a false religion and this false religion is everywhere, the seminaries, the book stores, television, radio, local churches. The delusion is complete and very FEW can see it.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Eze 12:2 Son of man, thou dwellest in the midst of a rebellious house, which have eyes to see, and see not; they have ears to hear, and hear not: for they are a rebellious house.
Why couldn't the referenced folk see or hear? It was due to rebellion. Rebellion brings blindness and deafness.
Those who teach Original Sin believe that rebellion is a birth state that cannot be turned from because it is natural.
Thus when they teach that one does not have to forsake rebellion in approaching God they are in effect dooming those who buy into that to being perpetually blind and deaf. If one believes they cannot yield themselves to God by choice then they won't do it because such an endeavour has already been neutralised in the mind.
Satan is a deceiver which means he works upon the mind. Babylon means confusion and that is why the false religious system can be likened to Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots. Systematic theology is a mass of confusion and contradictions which serves the purpose to completely avoid the plain teachings of Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ taught that we must strive, do, dig deep, count the cost, die to self, pick up our cross, abide in Him, keep His commandments, do what He said, endure to the end and much, much more. All that is negated by the systematic theology these people believe in. They are the modern Pharisees beholden to a false religion and this false religion is everywhere, the seminaries, the book stores, television, radio, local churches. The delusion is complete and very FEW can see it.
Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
Non-responsive.
To such depths have you sunk in trying to support an erroneous theory which you cannot prove with scripture.
Or worse that a text such as Heb 2:9 does not mean death, physical death because the word condemn is not in the verse. Just what kind of death would Christ have suffered if not physical and that His resurrection would not be physical because the word condemn is not in every verse that uses the word death.
Truly, you have missed the true meaning of salvation and scripture. I notice that you have not answered by questions either. If you cannot, just say so.
Here is a link to an audio file called "Repentance Unto Life."
http://www.filedropper.com/repentanceuntolife
This lesson changed my life for it was the first time I ever heard repentance preached within the context that I was responsible for my own sin.
http://www.filedropper.com/repentanceuntolife
This lesson changed my life for it was the first time I ever heard repentance preached within the context that I was responsible for my own sin.
You are responsible not only for your own sin, but also for Adam's sin (Ro 5:12-21),
which makes you responsible for sin from the day you were born (Eph 2:3).
In other words a sinner is not responsible for their sin according to this doctrine.
The NT teaches that God holds us responsible for the sin of Adam (Ro 5:12-21),
just as Jesus held the Pharisess of his day responsible for the murders of all the prophets
going back to the beginning of the world (Lk 11:48-51).
Speaking of vacuous. . .still waiting for you to take care of your unfinished business on the table:
Give the meaning of Lk 11:48-51; Ro 3:10, 4:5, 5:18, 8:7-8, Eph 2:3 which is true to all the words of the texts and does no violence to the texts.
Both you and Cassian have yet to meet these conditions.
Give the meaning of Lk 11:48-51; Ro 3:10, 4:5, 5:18, 8:7-8, Eph 2:3 which is true to all the words of the texts and does no violence to the texts.
Both you and Cassian have yet to meet these conditions.
You have not shown that our explanations are actually false or unscriptural. Skinski7 outlined three false theories that both you and Kerry are actually using and possibly not even understanding that you actually follow these false teachings of scripture.
they are Original Sin, Anselm's satisfaction theory of atonement whose foundation is Original Sin theory and Calvin added the penal substitution theory to Anselm's satisfaction theory. You should study these theories so you might understand your own view and understand they are false according to scripture.
Let's continue Kerry's post...
What about being convicted by the Holy Spirit and being brought to godly sorrow whereby we change our minds about sin, thus forsaking our rebellion, turning back to God and approaching Him with a broken and contrite heart seeking His mercy via the blood of Christ? That is what the Bible teaches.
What about being convicted by the Holy Spirit and being brought to godly sorrow whereby we change our minds about sin, thus forsaking our rebellion, turning back to God and approaching Him with a broken and contrite heart seeking His mercy via the blood of Christ? That is what the Bible teaches.
Take care of your unfinished business on the table before bringing more business to the table.
Give the meaning of Lk 11:48-51; Ro 3:10, 4:5, 5:18, 8:7-8, Eph 2:3 which is true to all the words of the texts and does no violence to the texts.
Both you and Cassian have yet to meet these conditions.