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'" 4John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5And all the country of Judea was going out to him, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were being baptized by him in the Jordan River, confessing their sins.…

Jesus had no sin, why did He get baptized, because of the love He had for what John was doing for the people.

Its about believing, repenting, and washing away the old, that we are new creations in Christ.

As for once saved always saved, I think it's a thin line we walk, and it's a long walk, keeping our eyes on Jesus is the only way. We can't do whatever we want and be saved, doesn't work like that, I was saved at 17 by the skin of my teeth I made it back to Him, and keeping my eyes on Him, that way I don't get off path, we must keep God first all the time, if we want to make it to heaven, sure we will fall on little things, but if we pray and dedicate ourselves to dying to flesh, we will make it in. It's a marathon till the end not a lap.
 
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But there comes one after me that will baptize you in the holy Spirit and Fire, no water.
 
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Look if you are hell bent on what you did and not what Jesus did then good luck. Good nite false teachers.
 
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Look if you are hell bent on what you did and not what Jesus did then good luck. Good nite false teachers.
Kerry, no one of authority has to do this for you, He was happy with John himself doing it, I can, You can, I was baptized in a horse troth..lol.. None of this matters, as I said, it's all about just believing that He died for us, that with all of our heart we're sorry, He will forgive us, no water required...
 
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Please don't ignore the explicit scriptures in which Christ commanded the disciples to baptize. If Christ the Living Breathing Word of God said to do so, then who are we to say it's not necessary.
 
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tylerbones1313

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I'm not claiming to be a teacher I am just simply posting scripture for you to read and explaining them the best way I can. God is the only true teacher. Let the Holy Spirit guide you into all truth.
 
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No reason to be hating on anyone Kerry we need to discuss the bible in a Spirit of Unity and Love. If we don't show love then who are we to try to bring anyone to Christ.
 
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Please don't ignore the explicit scriptures in which Christ commanded the disciples to baptize. If Christ the Living Breathing Word of God said to do so, then who are we to say it's not necessary.
Mr.Tyler, let me just say this, when I got saved, again, might I add, trust me a miracle happened that night. There was no water around me, there were no priest, no church, there was no dogmas or rituals, no family, NOTHING, but Jesus, me, and a space in time. I begged for forgiveness and He not only assured me I had it, with a peace I've never had, but He wasn't done, day before I drank codeine, I took pain pills, weed, and anxiety drugs. The next day after being saved, No Drugs, No physical pain, and trust me I've tried on my own plenty of times I know what it feels like, No pain, these strongholds that ran my life, were gone, overnight, no water my friend... All it takes is a sincere cry to our Lord and Savior,He doesn't always answer when we want Him but He's always there when we need Him, He can heal the sick, and cure the blind, spiritually and physically
 
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But there comes one after me that will baptize you in the holy Spirit and Fire, no water.
did the same one say....?
Matthew 28:18-20King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


since only He can baptise with the Holy Spirit and Fire....then one must conclude the disciples must baptise with water....vs 20 and teach others to do likewise...
 
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When God called the disciples he called ordinary men not doctors of the law or those that could quote the Torah front to back. I think if you feel the call of God to do a work for him then by all means follow that call. I don't believe you have to be an ordained Minister or Priest or have all this education. I don't follow the world or the so-called church, the church was never meant to be behind four walls but was from house to house and city to city.

Here is a straight forward question which needs answering. If God called you and told you I want you to baptize someone for me would you do it or would simply say God I don't believe that is necessary and thereby disobey God?
 
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The early Church "Baptized to remove sins"!
Hermas said this in 80 A.D.

"‘I have heard, sir,’ said I [to the Shepherd], ‘from some teacher, that there is no other repentance except that which took place when we went down into the water and obtained the remission of our former sins.’ He said to me, ‘You have heard rightly, for so it is’" (The Shepherd 4:3:1–2 [A.D. 80]).


Justin Martyr said this in 151 A.D.
"As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly . . . are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Except you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]" (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).

Justin Martyr said he was saved by Baptism!!
The early Church TAUGHT Jesus said we need to Baptize!!
 
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The early Church "Baptized to remove sins"!
Hermas said this in 80 A.D.

"‘I have heard, sir,’ said I [to the Shepherd], ‘from some teacher, that there is no other repentance except that which took place when we went down into the water and obtained the remission of our former sins.’ He said to me, ‘You have heard rightly, for so it is’" (The Shepherd 4:3:1–2 [A.D. 80]).


Justin Martyr said this in 151 A.D.
"As many as are persuaded and believe that what we [Christians] teach and say is true, and undertake to be able to live accordingly . . . are brought by us where there is water, and are regenerated in the same manner in which we were ourselves regenerated. For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, ‘Except you be born again, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven’ [John 3:3]" (First Apology 61 [A.D. 151]).

Justin Martyr said he was saved by Baptism!!
The early Church TAUGHT Jesus said we need to Baptize!!
Dogknox,Just how much POWER would your "water baptism"
have without Jesus Christ First dieing on the old rugged Cross
About two thousand years ago for old Sinners like us ??



These are just two mans opinion, that is all it is..

Here is what Paul said in Gods Word..


From what I read in scriptures; I do Not agree with you opinion

about the power of “water baptism”
to take away our sins.


You are taking away from what Jesus Christ did on the Cross; Sorry, But I just don't like it like just like Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1:17 (NIV)

17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with wisdom and eloquence, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Yes , Paul did "water baptize" some people;
But Paul said that Christ did NOT Send him to baptize
BUT to Preach the "gospel"
Apparently, "water baptism" is Not part of the gospel.
The POWER is in the "Blood of Christ Alone"

dogknox, apparently you over looked Questions that I asked for your reply
in post #605 and #622
I responded to your comments
It would be the Christian thing to do to Reply to mine.






 
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You're right there is no power in the water the power is in the symbol it represents which is symbolic of being washed in the blood of Christ which contains the real power to remit sins.

But is still necessary to have done in order that the blood of Christ can be applied to your life.
 
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did the same one say....?
Matthew 28:18-20King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


since only He can baptise with the Holy Spirit and Fire....then one must conclude the disciples must baptise with water....vs 20 and teach others to do likewise...
newbirth, This is the 3rd time that I have asked you these Questions below
Apparently you are struggling for Answers for the Questions that I have Asked you.
When you see a " ? " just answer the Question

the book of James is Written to people
that are ALREADY Christians


And of coarse works are Important to Believers

You are taking Scriptures out of context to Try to prove your point about works.

The Point that we are discussing is;

How and when is the Point at which is a Person Saved

So, does a person have to clean their Act Up
Before they can be Saved ???


So, does a person have to do "good works"
Before God says;
O' you are doing "good works"
You are Saved???


If water baptism is necessary, then that a person is damned to hell
even though he trusted in Christ,
even though he trusted in the sacrifice of Christ,
even though he by faith received Christ.


He would be damned to hell because
he did not participate in the human ritual of “water baptism”.

He would be damned to hell because he would not be justified by faith,

but by faith and the ritual of “water baptism”



If a person is at your home
and you share the "gospel' with them

They ask and Trust Christ to forgive them of their sins
And Believe with ALL their Heart
That HE Will do what HE says that He will do
And that HE is Who HE says that HE is

And ask Christ to be the Lord of their New Life with HIM

Then you tell them that their Salvation

is NOT COMPLETE UNTIL they are "water baptized"


for the forgiveness of their sins....

They follow you in their car and on the way to get "water baptized"

Someone runs a red light and t bones their car and everyone in the car dies Instantly

Question???

Even though they were on their way to get "water baptized"

BUT did Not make the human ritual.

Will that person be Saved ??? YES or NO ????




 
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You're right there is no power in the water the power is in the symbol it represents which is symbolic of being washed in the blood of Christ which contains the real power to remit sins.

But is still necessary to have done in order that the blood of Christ can be applied to your life.
tylerbones,
Could you give me your definition of the word "GIFT" ???

Can you Explain what these verses mean ??

Paul tells us in Romans 4:5, "But to the one who does not work,
but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly,
his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"

and again in Romans 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith,
we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ."



 

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Atwood Thank you for your reply:
You said... DogK,
1) where does the word by occur?
2) The text says 2 things a) were baptized & b) were added to their number. No instrumental relationship is expressed.
Spirit baptism is what puts one in the Body of Christ 1 Cor 12:13, not water.
3) water does not even occur in Acts 2.
4) context of Acts 2 is the prophecy of Acts 1 that they would be Spirit baptized not many days hence.
5) Your text doesn't say that the baptism saved them.
6) The verb in 2:39 is Σώθητε, Aorist passive, not "save yourselves," but "be saved."
Water is never the means of salvation in the Bible. And water-immersion cannot be essential to salvation as many, many times salvation is offered just for believing. In fact the list of verses is too long for one post on this forum. So I just post a sample.
The only MUST I DO for salvation is believe/have faith/trust. Sirs, what MUST-I-DO to be saved? Answer:
Believe on the Lord Jesus and thou shalt be saved.
Water immersion is an human work, and as Eph 2 points out, by grace you are saved through faith . . . not of works!

I reply: There is NO place that says, Do not use water to baptize, there is NO place that says Peter did NOT baptize with water!!
It also doesn't say that the moon is not made of green cheese! You may not assume the existence of something which is not negated in scripture. Over & over salvation is offered without a drop of water.

Atwood Clearly God wants the Eunuch BAPTIZED!!!!!!

The issue is not what God wants; the issue is what is required for salvation. Sirs, what MUST I DO to be saved? Answer: Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved. Nothing added, no ifs, ands or buts. The Lord demands that you be perfect (Sermon on Mount). But you do not have to be perfect to be saved. In fact, salvation is for the imperfect, even for gross sinners like the Publican.

Atwood.... He MUST have been teaching; Baptism saves and Baptism is done with >>WATER<< !!!
No other explanation is possible the Eunuch was excited to find water!

You may not make up things. Salvation is offered over & over just for believing (John 3:16 etc.). Of course once a man believes, he is to be immersed in water. You can be excited to get a new computer with a Bible program in it. But that doesn't save. It is evidence of being saved though. Water immersion is a human work. For by grace y ou have been saved, through faith, and that no of yourselves, not of works lest anyone should boast.

Water immersion is symbolic of the death, burial/entombment, & resurrection; the reality is what Christ endured to pay for our sins & give us eternal life. Spirit baptism puts a man in to the Body of Christ (1 Cor 12:13). Water immersion is a way to publicly confess that you believe in the Lord Jesus; but it does not save.

Below is just a part of the abundant evidence for faith/belief/trust in Christ for salvation, where NO WATER is MENTIONED.

John 3:16
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
1 John 5:13
I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
1 John 5:10-13
Whoever believes in the Son of God has the testimony in himself. Whoever does not believe God has made him a liar, because he has not believed in the testimony that God has borne concerning his Son. And this is the testimony, that God gave us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. Whoever has the Son has life; whoever does not have the Son of God does not have life. I write these things to you who believe in the name of the Son of God that you may know that you have eternal life.
Ephesians 1:13
In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who beholdeth the Son, and believes on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ephesians 2:8-10 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one John 6:47
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 3:18
Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
joy,
1 Peter 1:3-5
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his great mercy begat us again unto a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 unto an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who by the power of God are guarded through faith unto a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
John 1:12
But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God,
Revelation 3:5
The one who overcomes will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father… 1 John 5:4-5 For whatsoever is begotten of God overcomes the world: and this is the victory that has overcome the world, even our faith. And who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? For everyone who has been born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

JOHN 20:30
Many other signs therefore did Jesus in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book: 31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

Act 13:48
And as the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of God: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
 

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tylerbones1313;1729414[SIZE=1 said:
]You're right there is no power in the water the power is in the symbol it represents which is symbolic of being washed in the blood of Christ which contains the real power to remit sins. But is still necessary to have done in order that the blood of Christ can be applied to your life.
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Tyler, that is just you saying it. It is contrary to scripture. All a man need do is trust the Savior (faith/belief) over & over the Lord tells us that. Here is just a part of the evidence:

NO WATER MENTIONED!

Ps 37:5-6
Commit thy way unto YHWH;
Trust also in him, and he will bring it to pass.
And he will make thy righteousness to go forth as the light,
And thy justice as the noonday.


Acts 15:8

And God, who knoweth the heart, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Spirit, even as he did unto us; and he made no distinction between us and them, cleansing their hearts by faith.

Acts 26:18b

that they may receive remission of sins and an inheritance among them that are sanctified by faith in me.

Rom 1:16-17
For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is revealed a righteousness of God from faith unto faith: as it is written, But the righteous shall live by faith.

Rom 3:21-30

But now apart from the law a righteousness of God hath been manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ unto all them that believe; for there is no distinction; 23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God; 24 being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 whom God set forth to be a propitiation, through faith, in his blood, to show his righteousness because of the passing over of the sins done aforetime, in the forbearance of God; 26 for the showing, I say, of his righteousness at this present season: that he might himself be just, and the justifier of him that hath faith in Jesus. 27 Where then is the glorying? It is excluded. By what manner of law? of works? Nay: but by a law of faith. 28 We reckon therefore that a man is justified by faith apart from the works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yea, of Gentiles also: 30 if so be that God is one, and he shall justify the circumcision by faith, and the uncircumcision through faith.

Rom 4:1ff

:1 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, hath found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not toward God. 3 For what saith the scripture? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 4 Now to him who works, the reward is not reckoned as of grace, but as of debt. 5 But to him that works not, but believeth on him that justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned for righteousness. 6 Even as David also pronounces blessing upon the man, to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works, 7 saying,
Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered.
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not reckon sin.

9 Is this blessing then pronounced upon the circumcision, or upon the uncircumcision also? for we say, To Abraham his faith was reckoned for righteousness. 10 How then was it reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision: 11 and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while he was in uncircumcision: that he might be the father of all them who believe, though they be in uncircumcision, that righteousness might be reckoned unto them; 12 and the father of circumcision to them who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham which he had in uncircumcision. 13 For not through the law was the promise to Abraham or to his seed that he should be heir of the world, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if they that are of the law are heirs, faith is made void, and the promise is made of none effect: 15 for the law works wrath; but where there is no law, neither is there transgression. 16 For this cause it is of faith, that it may be according to grace; to the end that the promise may be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all 17 (as it is written, A father of many nations have I made thee) before him whom he believed, even God, who giveth life to the dead, and calleth the things that are not, as though they were. 18 Who in hope believed against hope, to the end that he might become a father of many nations, according to that which had been spoken, So shall thy seed be. 19 And without being weakened in faith he considered his own body now as good as dead (he being about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; 20 yet, looking unto the promise of God, he wavered not through unbelief, but waxed strong through faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully assured that what he had promised, he was able also to perform. 22 Wherefore also it was reckoned unto him for righteousness.

Rom 5:1-2
Being therefore justified by faith, let us have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ; through whom also we have had our access by faith into this grace wherein we stand; and let us boast in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 9:30:
What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who followed not after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith: but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, did not arrive at that law. Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by works. They stumbled at the stone of stumbling; even as it is written,
Behold, I lay in Zion a stone of stumbling and a rock of offence:
And he who believes on him shall not be put to shame.

Rom 10:4ff

For Christ is the end of the law unto righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writeth that the man that doeth the righteousness which is of the law shall live thereby. But the righteousness which is of faith says thus, Say not in thy heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down:) or, Who shall descend into the abyss? (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach.


Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
 

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When God called the disciples he called ordinary men not doctors of the law or those that could quote the Torah front to back.
Tyler, what is your proof that the apostles didn't know their Bible? What makes you think that after spending 3 1/2 years with the Lord Jesus they were not now doctors of the Teaching of Christ? What is the evidence that the Lord Jesus & Saul/Paul didn't know the scripture back to front (Hebrew Books go backwards!)

if you feel the call of God to do a work for him then by all means follow that call.
I suggest that you trust Christ as Savior first.


Gal 2:15-16
We being Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed on Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law: because by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Gal 3:

This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now perfected in the flesh? 4 Did ye suffer so many things in vain? if it be indeed in vain. 5 He therefore that supplieth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? 6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned unto him for righteousness. 7 Know therefore that they that are of faith, the same are sons of Abraham. 8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all the nations be blessed. 9 So then they that are of faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham. For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one who continues not in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them. Now that no man is justified by the law before God, is evident: for, The righteous shall live by faith; 12 and the law is not of faith; but, He that doeth them shall live in them. Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; for it is written, Cursed is every one who hangs on a tree: that upon the Gentiles might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Gal 3:22ff

But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. But before faith came, we were kept in ward under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. So that the law is become our tutor to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a tutor. For ye are all sons of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus.

Gal 5:5-6

For we through the Spirit by faith wait for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumcision; but faith working through love.

Philip 3:8-9
Yea verily, and I count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but refuse, that I may gain Christ, and be found in him, not having a righteousness of mine own, even that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith:

Col 2:6
As therefore ye received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in him, 7 rooted and builded up in him, and established in your faith, even as ye were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.


Heb 3:19ff
And we see that they were not able to enter in because of unbelief. Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. 2 For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest;
 
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Atwood have you lost your mind, they did not have the bible, they wrote it as they were working, they didn't have Hebrews all they had were scrolls of the OT and most importantly the Holy Spirit as they wrote the NT. Think brother think.
 
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simple lesson on the cross dying beside a sinner who had committed heinous acts and worthy of death Jesus stopped dying momentarily to save his soul and offer him eternal life. News Flash no water required He was baptized by the shed blood of the unblemished Lamb. The process of baptism was an outward show yet the work was inward this showed you were part of a family
by obedience to direction followed the same tenants.