Is there such a thing as an atheist?

[Percepi]

but you will believe that a mouse came from a dinosaur and man from a monkey.

No. I won't. Because there's no evidence that mice came from dinosaurs and no evidence that man came from monkeys. There is evidence that man and monkeys share a common apelike ancestor.

The churches of Smyrna, Pergamos, Sardis, Philadelphia, Laodicea, and Thyatira, were founded by him. From Ephesus he was ordered to be sent to Rome, where it is affirmed he was cast into a cauldron of boiling oil. He escaped by miracle, without injury. Domitian afterwards banished him to the Isle of Patmos, where he wrote the Book of Revelation. Nerva, the successor of Domitian, recalled him. He was the only apostle who escaped a violent death.

Affirmed by who? History is a difficult field because it's hard to distinguish fact from legend. Oftentimes, when sources are law, we conclude what is most probable. And it's more probable that you're referring to a legend rather than a historical fact. That's not to say it can't be proven, but it would take more evidence than one witness account that's been copied over and over.

 

[didymos]

(...) There is evidence that man and monkeys share a common apelike ancestor.

I appears there's evidence that monkeys evolved from you too.

 

[TheClimaxWarrior]

No. I won't. Because there's no evidence that mice came from dinosaurs and no evidence that man came from monkeys. There is evidence that man and monkeys share a common apelike ancestor.

That is full of crap mate!

Genesis 2:7 KJV
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It does not say anywhere that man and monkey were formed from each other. This verse debunks all kinds of stupid evolution.

Just because Richard Dawkins supports Darwinism doesn't make him a genius! He believes we are derived from Chimpanazees. Than where do red heads come from a Orangutan?

Richard Dawkins is profoundly ignorant. As so are you!

I suppose you will be the lead for the next Planet of the Apes movie!

 

[phil112]

This doesn't answer my question though. How do you know they're lying (they know they're wrong) as opposed to being mistaken (they don't know they're wrong)?

You're assuming that just because someone is wrong, they must be lying. This is a false dichotomy.

If they believe in God, they must believe the bible. If, after having read the scripture I brought to your attention they assert they have seen God, they are lying. How many people do you know that have recanted and said they must have been mistaken? I've heard no one say "oops, my bad, it wasn't Him".

You don't do well on tests that require a train of logic do you?

 

[Cycel]

... there's no evidence that mice came from dinosaurs and no evidence that man came from monkeys. There is evidence that man and monkeys share a common apelike ancestor.

That is full of crap mate!

An emotional response?

Genesis 2:7KJV
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It does not say anywhere that man and monkey were formed from each other. This verse debunks all kinds of stupid evolution.

A counter to evolution requires a scientific response. This biblical passage is a demonstration of your faith in what many biblical scholars see as a creation myth, it does not refute evolution. It does not mention evolution.

Just because Richard Dawkins supports Darwinism doesn't make him a genius!

What’s this to do with evolution? Our acceptance of evolution is not based upon what Dawkins believes.

He [Dawkins] believes we are derived from Chimpanazees.

No, Dawkins does not think this. This is an erroneous claim that is often made by those who have only a partial understanding of evolution. Once again evolution states that chimps and humans share a common ancestor. See if you can remember that for next time.

... there's no evidence that mice came from dinosaurs and no evidence that man came from monkeys. There is evidence that man and monkeys share a common apelike ancestor.

That is full of crap mate!

An emotional response?

Genesis 2:7KJV
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

It does not say anywhere that man and monkey were formed from each other. This verse debunks all kinds of stupid evolution.

A counter to evolution requires a scientific response. This biblical passage is a demonstration of your faith in what many biblical scholars see as a creation myth, it does not refute evolution. It does not mention evolution.

Just because Richard Dawkins supports Darwinism doesn't make him a genius!

This is not an argument for Genesis or against evolution.

He [Dawkins] believes we are derived from Chimpanazees. Than where do red heads come from a Orangutan?

Human populations outside Africa share many genes with Neanderthals. Neanderthals, it has been demonstrated with genetics, had red hair. It is quite possible that our red hair comes from them.

 

[phil112]

An emotional response?.............................

Many folks don't accept that someone believes something different from them. They believe they are right and there is something wrong with you for choosing to believe something different. Altho I am fully persuaded in my mind, that doesn't mean you can't believe something differently. Free world and your choice.

I recognize the lack of hard evidence an atheist demands, and simply accept that you've made your choice and it's up to you to change your mind if you choose. The evidence I have experienced, altho sufficient for me, is not something that will convince all, or for that matter many, people.

Believing, or not believing, is not an indicator of ones IQ. Not everyone recognizes that.

 

[Percepi]

Cycel did a good job summing everything up for me. I'd like to add that calling evolution "Darwinism" would be like calling physics "Newtonism". Just call it what it is, evolution.

If they believe in God, they must believe the bible. If, after having read the scripture I brought to your attention they assert they have seen God, they are lying.

Not everyone who claims to believe in God have read the Bible. And many people who have read the Bible may not think the verse applies to them, remember the verse, misinterpret the verse, or simply don't believe the entire Bible to be true. You can argue that if any of those are the case, then they aren't real Christians, which is fair enough. But it still doesn't change the fact that these people are mistaken.

How many people do you know that have recanted and said they must have been mistaken? I've heard no one say "oops, my bad, it wasn't Him".

You're right. It's very hard for people to be convinced they were somehow mistaken. The human mind is surprisingly flawed and it's easy to add details to events that never actually happened. People who may have dreamed they saw God may remember themselves lying in bed awake when they were really sleeping (just an example). We know that there are people out there with schizophrenia, and some of those people may sincerely hallucinate something they interpret to be God.

Someone in the chatroom claimed God used them to heal another member in the chat room. If you were to listen to him, he'd tell you she was very out of breath, feeling miserable, and lacked energy. He would also tell you about how her cat was sick as well. A few days after they first talked, he told her to remove a Bible given to her from Jehovah's Witnesses from her room. When she did, she began to feel better, and so did her cat! What an amazing testimony! The thing is, I was in the chat room when he initially talked to the woman. I can see the details that he left out, and I'm sure it's all unintentional

When the woman hopped on the mic in the chatroom, she sounded like she was completely out of breath. She said it was a condition that seemed to happen on and off. So no wonder it appeared she got better after removing the book from her room a few days later, because she was already beginning to feel better before she did. When she told us her cat has been ill for the past week, I asked if it looked like the cat was doing any better at all. She said her cat did appear better than it was all week. Again, the cat was already recovering by the time the woman was told to throw away the book a day or two later. Obviously these very important details will be left out if you talk to the man who felt God used him to heal this woman.

So why did I tell you all of that? Because it shows you how people can quickly forget or ignore certain information and convince themselves they did something they never actually did. So when someone claims they saw God, they may not necessarily be lying. They may have a mental illness, confused a dream for reality, misinterpreted something they saw as being God, etc.

 

[ColinCat]

Many folks don't accept that someone believes something different from them. They believe they are right and there is something wrong with you for choosing to believe something different. Altho I am fully persuaded in my mind, that doesn't mean you can't believe something differently. Free world and your choice.

I recognize the lack of hard evidence an atheist demands, and simply accept that you've made your choice and it's up to you to change your mind if you choose. The evidence I have experienced, altho sufficient for me, is not something that will convince all, or for that matter many, people.

Believing, or not believing, is not an indicator of ones IQ. Not everyone recognizes that.

It's not a choice though Phil.

If my friend tells me He's got a pet Dragon then I will automatically disbelieve him. I won't choose to disbelieve him, it's an automatic rejection of an extraordinary claim. If he showed me the Dragon then I would believe it.

Again, it's not a choice. My mind automatically rejects the supernatural, devils, gods etc. Because they are, to me, outrageous claims. If I was presented with hard evidence then I can assess things and make an informed decision. But until that point it will continue to be automatically rejected in my mind as absurd.

 

[Jimbone]

It's not a choice though Phil.

If my friend tells me He's got a pet Dragon then I will automatically disbelieve him. I won't choose to disbelieve him, it's an automatic rejection of an extraordinary claim. If he showed me the Dragon then I would believe it.

Again, it's not a choice. My mind automatically rejects the supernatural, devils, gods etc. Because they are, to me, outrageous claims. If I was presented with hard evidence then I can assess my beliefs and make an informed decision. But until that point it will continue to be automatically rejected in my mind as absurd.

Right there is the main distinction "My mind automatically rejects the supernatural", and that's were you loose all hope, but understandable in todays world. See science is only the study of the natural, what we can see, touch, test, etc... right? But when you complete reject the supernatural you cut yourself off from a whole different world out there. You limit yourself by rejecting it offhand. What if I said "I automatically reject anything natural", you would think me stupid and not worth further conversation (most likely). I feel the same way about rejecting the supernatural, there is just too much unexplained stuff in the world, and for you to make a claim that any supernatural claim is false is like saying you know enough of the existing information in all the universe to make that claim. To me very arrogant and close minded, but you may say "I've never SEEN anything to prove the supernatural exist". I say the you are talking about natural evidence for the supernatural which just can't exist. The supernatural doesn't leave natural evidence, yet you dismiss it in total off the top. That's ignorant in my view and I'm glad I don't box myself in like that and limit my understanding.

 

[Percepi]

What if I said "I automatically reject anything natural"

Natural claims can be proven. If they can't, then there's no reason to accept them anymore than supernatural claims.

I feel the same way about rejecting the supernatural, there is just too much unexplained stuff in the world, and for you to make a claim that any supernatural claim is false is like saying you know enough of the existing information in all the universe to make that claim.

Being unable to explain something does not prove God exists. It only proves you don't actually know the answer.

You argue that the only way we can know God doesn't exist is to know absolutely everything in the universe. But there are numerous claims that can't be proven in which we can say the same thing! You can't prove unicorns don't exist somewhere out there, so does this mean you can't claim unicorns aren't real? This is why we rely on something called the burden of proof. If you believe God is real, you need to find evidence to back up his existence. You can't say he's real and to suggest otherwise would require one to know absolutely everything, because you're avoiding the burden of proof.

This video explains my point much better than I ever could: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cAR29P6L4rM&list=UUIbBCEj2Zrc5KkyzLEQMZCw

Please give the video a watch.

To me very arrogant and close minded, but you may say "I've never SEEN anything to prove the supernatural exist". I say the you are talking about natural evidence for the supernatural which just can't exist.

If you can't prove supernatural claims with natural evidence, then how can you prove supernatural claims? If you can't prove supernatural claims, then what justification is there in accepting those claims to be true?

That's ignorant in my view and I'm glad I don't box myself in like that and limit my understanding.

How can you understand something that is literally unavailable for you to understand? If there's no physical way to verify supernatural existence, then there's no physical way to obtain a better understanding of the supernatural. And just sitting there pondering about the supernatural might lead to some interesting ideas, but there's no way to verify whether these ideas are true or not because there's no evidence to base them on.

 

[Jimbone]

“Natural claims can be proven. If they can't, then there's no reason to accept them anymore than supernatural claims.”

I understand that my friend you missed my point. I’ve had proof the supernatural exist, so to ME it has been proven as well. The atheist on the other hand must adopt materialism when “we don’t know this yet” asserting that anything that can’t be seen, touched, tested and demonstrated in the lab can’t exist. Which they stay safe and just say it like that because nobody can know these things.

“Being unable to explain something does not prove God exists. It only proves you don't actually know the answer.”

I never said that was what proves God. I actually see this as a straw man because it was not my point. Would you agree there is a lot of weird, seemingly supernatural things that happen in our world? I’m not saying because there are = God, all I’m really saying it the same thing you are that we don’t know, the difference is you completely remove the possibility it could be supernatural before you even start looking into it. So off the jump you assume everything has to be natural. It won’t prove God to you, but it shows a default limitation you put on your own thinking.

Now to the “Dawkins minion’s unicorn argument”, man ya’ll are such “free thinkers”.

“You can't prove unicorns don't exist somewhere out there, so does this mean you can't claim unicorns aren't real? This is why we rely on something called the burden of proof. If you believe God is real, you need to find evidence to back up his existence. You can't say he's real and to suggest otherwise would require one to know absolutely everything, because you're avoiding the burden of proof.”

I have no burden’s, Jesus took those from me. I don’t have to prove a thing to anyone, I’m not on an atheists site trying to convince you. This whole Christian thing isn’t about us going around “proving” God. You would have to know me to have seen God’s power in my life. I’m sure you can let me know how I diluted myself to believe God came into me fixing the heart that wanted to kill itself more than anything else in this world. How I became a whole new person overnight. I understand online to strangers it’s impossible to relay these things, but if you were beside me after my motorcycle wreak and saw how far I sank then how fast I was healed and changed overnight, you’d have a hard time convincing yourself I just decided to turn a new leaf.

You want my proof? Read my testimony that’s how God revealed Himself to me and that’s what each one of us are armed with. I have my proof, it’s not my responsibility to show God to you, it’s yours to seek Him. (which I think you do more than you would admit, after all you like hanging out with us on CC)

As far as my point about knowing everything I was just saying that to think that the supernatural can’t exists in the things you don’t know is just kind of self-limiting in my opinion. I in no way meant it how you suggested that we “have to know everything” to disprove God

“If you can't prove supernatural claims with natural evidence, then how can you prove supernatural claims? If you can't prove supernatural claims, then what justification is there in accepting those claims to be true?”
This is the question. That’s the thing you can’t get natural proof for the supernatural any more than you can get supernatural proof for the natural. They are fundamentally opposite things. They ARE supernatural in the first place because they can’t be explained naturally. Do you not see the fallacy of your question?

How can you understand something that is literally unavailable for you to understand? If there's no physical way to verify supernatural existence, then there's no physical way to obtain a better understanding of the supernatural.

This is not true, but the only way to get proof for the supernatural, that I know of, is for God’s Holy Spirit to come into you regenerating you heart and causing such a huge change that you cannot deny Him any longer. Look man I understand your view. I called myself a Christian for years before I had any kind of “proof” of God, I was exactly what you think I am now. I liked the “idea” of Jesus but had doubts. I do agree with you though there is no natural proof of God out there. I can assure you that there is more to the universe then the natural, God’s given me my proof, but it takes God, I can’t prove anything to you I’m just a regular guy.

 

[ColinCat]

I always look for the natural explanation. If I don't know something then i just don't know it. Doesn't automatically mean there is a supernatural reason.

There have been many things we thought were caused by a God or by a supernatural explanation that ended up being proven with a natural reason.

There has never been anything which always had a natural explanation which then turned out to be supernatural.

That's why I only go by the natural world... Because that's all we've got.

 

[Jimbone]

I always look for the natural explanation. If I don't know something then i just don't know it. Doesn't automatically mean there is a supernatural reason.

There have been many things we thought were caused by a God or by a supernatural explanation that ended up being proven with a natural reason.

There has never been anything which always had a natural explanation which then turned out to be supernatural.

That's why I only go by the natural world... Because that's all we've got.

It's not all I've got. It's not all many here and around the world have. It's not even all you have, you just don't see it, or can't find it for whatever personal reason. I understand It's not some big mystery why so many just can not believe. We are raised from birth to find it a silly fair tale of an idea from every outlet we encounter today. On top of that it IS completely unbelievable from a worldly aspect. No doubt at all, but it still survives, and people since it's inception have been willing to die for it.

If you just look at it (by "it" I mean the possibility of the supernatural) in light of natural evidence alone, then yes it's completely illogical and silly, how can it not? If you just limit yourself to one single way to look at, or not even that but if you exclude any potential ways of looking at it, it then you can easily dismiss anything about it. I also understand the logic behind thinking that way. "If you can't show me I don't believe it" That is perfectly logical from a worldly view. The thing is this isn't about a comic book, and this has real tangible power to people, but the catch 22 admittedly is that it's an internal power from an external source. There is no way I can explain it to you that you couldn't write off as my own delusion, but how He saved me isn't your typical Christian story, not that there is one. We all come to Him in different ways but my biggest points are this is not just an adopted worldview, or list of rule I now decide to follow the best I can, or a superficial comfort I can run to in my head to escape the world. God changed me man, without a doubt an "I 100% would burn on a stake with my family (only if He willed, it but I really hope not) before I'd renounce our King" kind of change. I am NOT the same person I was before, how do I prove that over the internet to a stranger? I've seen a LOT of life man and I know men can't change like this by there own will. I understand my personal experience means nothing to you as far as "proving God", but it's part of the gifts He's given me. He wants all of you as well, like I said before I think Gods got His hands on you guys much more than you even know, just simply because you feel compelled to interact with us so often, none of you are rude or are really trying to convince anyone that God isn't real, but yet you like to be here. I don't think anyone can be debated into God, but something about Him draws you here for some reason.

I hope you have a nice day 8^).

 

[ColinCat]

Your right. A personal experience cannot convince someone else of something. But I'm intrigued.. how did you know your personal experience was down to God?

 

[Elin]

It's not all I've got. It's not all many here and around the world have. It's not even all you have, you just don't see it, or can't find it for whatever personal reason. I understand It's not some big mystery why so many just can not believe. We are raised from birth to find it a silly fair tale of an idea from every outlet we encounter today. On top of that it IS completely unbelievable from a worldly aspect. No doubt at all, but it still survives, and people since it's inception have been willing to die for it.

If you just look at it (by "it" I mean the possibility of the supernatural) in light of natural evidence alone, then yes it's completely illogical and silly, how can it not? If you just limit yourself to one single way to look at, or not even that but if you exclude any potential ways of looking at it, it then you can easily dismiss anything about it. I also understand the logic behind thinking that way. "If you can't show me I don't believe it" That is perfectly logical from a worldly view. The thing is this isn't about a comic book, and this has real tangible power to people, but the catch 22 admittedly is that it's an internal power from an external source. There is no way I can explain it to you that you couldn't write off as my own delusion, but how He saved me isn't your typical Christian story, not that there is one. We all come to Him in different ways but my biggest points are this is not just an adopted worldview, or list of rule I now decide to follow the best I can, or a superficial comfort I can run to in my head to escape the world. God changed me man, without a doubt an "I 100% would burn on a stake with my family (only if He willed, it but I really hope not) before I'd renounce our King" kind of change. I am NOT the same person I was before, how do I prove that over the internet to a stranger? I've seen a LOT of life man and I know men can't change like this by there own will. I understand my personal experience means nothing to you as far as "proving God", but it's part of the gifts He's given me. He wants all of you as well, like I said before I think Gods got His hands on you guys much more than you even know, just simply because you feel compelled to interact with us so often, none of you are rude or are really trying to convince anyone that God isn't real, but yet you like to be here. I don't think anyone can be debated into God, but something about Him draws you here for some reason.

I hope you have a nice day 8^).

You have no clue as to the nature and power of the experience, nor the transformation it works.

 

[ColinCat]

You have no clue as to the nature and power of the experience, nor the transformation it works.

Then please tell us about it

 

[hopesprings]

Are you guys still arguing about this?
Where do u find the time.... . Jk

 

[Percepi]

I understand that my friend you missed my point. I’ve had proof the supernatural exist, so to ME it has been proven as well. The atheist on the other hand must adopt materialism when “we don’t know this yet” asserting that anything that can’t be seen, touched, tested and demonstrated in the lab can’t exist. Which they stay safe and just say it like that because nobody can know these things.

Atheists adopt the position "I don't know, therefore there's no reason for me to believe x exists until proven." We shouldn't say, "Well, God probably is real because someone else claims to have evidence they can't share." That's silly.

the difference is you completely remove the possibility it could be supernatural before you even start looking into it.

How can we look into something that can't be physically proven? If the supernatural can not be observed through natural processes, then it can not be verified to actually exist. We reject the supernatural because there's no evidence for it. It's not close minded to reject something in which we can't verify.

What you're telling us is that atheists should consider supernatural explanations to be just as plausible as natural explanation. But there's zero evidence for us to adopt this idea. This is why atheists say "I don't know" until evidence is found.

I have no burden’s, Jesus took those from me. I don’t have to prove a thing to anyone, I’m not on an atheists site trying to convince you. This whole Christian thing isn’t about us going around “proving” God.

If you want to convince atheists God is real, then you do need to prove God in order to succeed.

You would have to know me to have seen God’s power in my life. I’m sure you can let me know how I diluted myself to believe God came into me fixing the heart that wanted to kill itself more than anything else in this world. How I became a whole new person overnight. I understand online to strangers it’s impossible to relay these things, but if you were beside me after my motorcycle wreak and saw how far I sank then how fast I was healed and changed overnight, you’d have a hard time convincing yourself I just decided to turn a new leaf.

As ColinCat said, you're right. Personal experiences generally can't be verified by other people.

I've been called close minded for not accepting people's claims that they can predict the future, read auras, or cast magical spells. Whenever I ask for proof, they say that I must be open minded. They're essentially telling me that for me to have access to whether or not something is true, I must first believe it to be true. This creates an interesting conundrum.

 

[Percepi]

Then please tell us about it

Don't open that can of worms. Read the "conversation" me and Elin had these last 2/3 pages.

 

[Jimbone]

Well the thing is I already called myself a Christian so I wasn't "looking" for anything at that time, and I still looked at the world like most of us are raised to. I really liked the idea for this Jesus guy, but that was only way after seeing my first son born, after seeing my 1st sons birth, I just couldn't deny there was God anymore, don't get me wrong I didn't run out that day a Christian at all, I didn't just go straight to Christianity, but I just felt there was a God after that. Again a completely personal experience I can't really explain or defend in a debate, but I had to go through that first to even get close to what happened later.

Anyway years after that, my son is now 8 and his brother 3 and my life was good. God was blessing me very well. I remember the day of the wreak walking out of my awesome job thinking to myself, "man I am hoping on my motorcycle with my long "Viking braid" that hung halfway down my back heading home to my beautiful wife and two awesome kids, all my bills are paid, all credit card were just paid off, I had any other the material things I wanted big TV, ALL video game systems, any new movies I wanted, I mean I had it ALL. I had accomplished that, I “loved” Jesus but let’s be honest, Jesus isn’t paying the bill’s.

I never made it home that day and woke up in the hospital 2 ½ weeks later with a right arm that no longer functioned. The whole story is posted in here under the testimonies forum for more details but I’m trying to be brief. I was very happy to still be alive…. At first. It’s easy to be happy in the hospital on drugs with people helping you hand and foot, not so easy once you get home. Short of it I ended up with $1,200 as compensation for my arm. I was always the “scrapper” growing up, very arrogant and self-reliant. In my younger day violent and not very understanding, just very angry. All that had changed on my own steam up until this point, I had the family, the job, the security, the toys, I had it all, and now it was ALL gone and I wasn’t even a whole man anymore to do anything about it. I was crushed man and no insurance, or court system, or doctor, or any of this stuff our “advanced society” was supposed to have the answers for could help me. Even worse than that I was a Christian right? Why did this God I claimed to love let this happen to me? I was confused man.

So it got worse and worse until I wanted to die worse than anything else. All I could think about was ending this pain, and I could do it so easily too, I had no feeling in my right (dominate by the way) arm at all. I could cut the wrist and not feel the bite of the blade. There was just one thing stopping me, my two sons. Anything else I could rationalize, my beautiful wife would have no problem finding someone whole to love and take care of her, my family would eventually more on, it would just be a blip on everyone else’s radar. I just had two sons out here that I knew that no one could love and take care of them like their father could. It was my responsibility so I was stuck here wanting to die not understanding why I had to be “stuck” here.


Well this is the part where I hit my knees and call out for Jesus and he makes me feel fluttery and I start quoting scripture to you, LOL, sorry to disappoint.

I did break though, and I did hit my knees crying, but what I said was “World you win, I can’t do it anymore!, I just can’t do it anymore, I QUIT!!!!” And this was where my pride was crushed completely. I have never quit a thing in my life, never let it whoop me, but right then right there I quit life and knew I could no longer do it on my own. Now the best part, I didn’t even realize what happen at first, I just knew I didn’t feel like dying every second, and I was just filled with new energy, a new life, I didn’t know why but I did know it was from God. I remember describing the feeling I had as having a “umbilical cord directly to the Holy Spirit” to people before I realized I had been literally “reborn”. My habits changed overnight too. After a lifetime of LOVING video games that next day I played for about 7 minutes before I turned it off. Not because it was evil or anything like that, I just had my priorities rearranged and had better way to spend that time now, like with my kids. Porn was also something I looked at on a regular basis, what was wrong with that? No one got hurt and these people choose and were paid to do this, what’s the big deal? I pulled up some porn right after this change and all I could think about was, “what lead this girl to do this? What will she tell her kids if they ever find this video? How do her parents feel?”, I mean I just could bring myself to get pleasure of someone’s regrets anymore. Now this isn’t bragging but I never saw anything wrong at all with these things until this change took place, but what would make me change like this so quickly? What would keep me from doing either one of them for more than a year now? It’s been my experience men don’t give up the habits they love for no reason when they don’t even see them as bad. They can’t give it up when they want to more than anything from what I’ve seen in life.

These are the things that proved God is real to me, they have shown me the Christian God of the Bible is the Truth beyond any doubt, but I can’t prove it to anyone, which is why I think it spread like it did because people could see these miracle changes in their own family members and friends. This is why it couldn’t be stamped out. LOL, I could go on and on but, It’s too long already. Thank you for asking and showing interest giving me the opportunity to share. I hope it’s helpful or at least helps you understand where I’m coming from. Trust me it’s taken me the better part of this year to take in that it’s all real, and I called myself Christian before.