What Does It Mean to Chew on the Lord? (no sacrament please)

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Given the following assumptions, I ask & put forth for consideration:

What does it mean to chew on the Lord Jesus?

Given 1: It does not mean to chew on the literal body of Christ or to drink the literal blood of the Lord Jesus.

Given 2: It has nothing to do with the Lord's Supper (communion service, sacrament, eucharist).

I put out those two assumptions because I don't want to argue here with those who think that it refers to a sacrament or with those who think that priests do transubstantiation in a "mass." I wish to discuss with my brothers & sisters in Christ,

What does it mean to chew on the Lord Jesus?

What prompted this question was a quaint old hymn, perhaps going back to the 4th Century AD, available in many forms on YouTube, Let All Mortal Flesh Keep Silence. Here are the important lines with my gloss:

ὁ γὰρ βασιλεὺς τῶν βασιλευόντων . . καὶ Κύριος τῶν κυριευόντων,


for the King of the ones who reign . . . . . and Lord of the ones who lord,



προσέρχεται σφαγιασθῆναι . . καὶ δοθῆναι . . . . εἰς βρῶσιν . . τοῖς . . . . . . πιστοῖς·


Comes to be slain . . . . . . . . . . . .and to be given . . for food . . . . . to/for the . . believers.




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The Bible passages to ponder are in John 6

Trōgōn (τρώγων, chewing) is the word to consider;
present participle of t
rōgō = I chew.

< BDAG:


τρώγω( Not found in LXX)
to bite or chew food, eat (audibly),
of animals (Homer et al. ‘chew, nibble, munch’) B 10:3.

—Of human beings τὶ someth.
ὁ τρώγων μου τὸν ἄρτον as a symbol of close comradeship J 13:18
(s. Ps 40:10 ὁ ἐσθίων ἄρτους μου [the one eating bread(s)], which is the basis for this passage).

With πίνειν [to drink]Mt 24:38.

ὁ τρώγων τοῦτον τὸν ἄρτον John 6:58.
[the one chewing this bread]
ὁ τρώγων με vs. 57.
[the one chewing me]
ὁ τρώγων μου τὴν σάρκα
[the one chewing my flesh]
(with πίνων μου τὸ αἷμα [= to drink my blood]) vss. 54, 56




"Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, It was not Moses that gave you the bread out of heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread out of heaven For the bread of God is that which cometh down out of heaven, and giveth life unto the world. They said therefore unto him, Lord, evermore give us this bread. Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall not hunger, and he that believeth on me shall never thirst. 36 But I said unto you, that ye have seen me, and yet believe not. 37 All that which the Father giveth me shall come unto me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. 38 For I am come down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. 39 And this is the will of him that sent me, that of all that which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 For this is the will of my Father, that every one that beholdeth the Son, and believeth on him, should have eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.



41 The Jews therefore murmured concerning him, because he said, I am the bread which came down out of heaven. 42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how doth he now say, I am come down out of heaven?

43
Jesus answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves. 44 No man can come to me, except the Father that sent me draw him: and I will raise him up in the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught of God. Every one that hath heard from the Father, and hath learned, cometh unto me. 46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he that is from God, he hath seen the Father. 47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth hath eternal life.

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I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. 50 This is the bread which cometh down out of heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down out of heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: yea and the bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.



52 The Jews therefore strove one with another, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 53 Jesus therefore said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except

ye eat [φάγητε] the flesh of the Son of man

and drink his blood, ye have not life in yourselves.

54 He who is eating [τρώγων = chewing]


my flesh and drinketh my blood hath eternal life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56
He who is eating
eating [τρώγων = chewing] my flesh

and drinketh my blood abides in me, and I in him.
[Compare John 15 & 1 John on abiding]

57
As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father;
so he who is
eating [τρώγων = chewing] me,

he also shall live because of me.
58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven:
not as the fathers ate, [ἔφαγον ] and died;

he who eats
[τρώγων = chewing]this bread shall live forever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.



60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they heard this, said, This is a hard saying; who can hear it? 61 But Jesus knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at this, said unto them, Doth this cause you to stumble? 62 What then if ye should behold the Son of man ascending where he was before? 63 It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, and are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who it was that should betray him. 65 And he said, For this cause have I said unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it be given unto him of the Father.





 
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Atwood It does mean to "Eat the Flesh of Jesus"!

John 6 is very clear.

Atwood The Early Church ate the flesh of Jesus they drank his blood "LITERALLY!"
24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood;do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

Atwood You can't sin against a SYMBOL!!!!! PROVING Paul is teaching it is real Flesh and Blood of Jesus!
Fact is....If you believe you are in COMMUNION with a "SYMBOL" then you are committing "IDOLATRY"!!! Atwood QUESTION: Are you in COMMUNION with a SYMBOL?! NOTE: Communion root word COMMUNICATION!!!! Do you COMMUNICATE with symbols!!?
Idolatry is a SIN!!!!



I point out.... The word "REMEMBRANCE" means REMEMBER ( Call to mind ) it does NOT mean SYMBOL!!!!
 
Figuratively, to become one with, we come to know Him so well through our co-life with Him. His death becomes our death, His Life becomes our life.
 
Atwood It does mean to "Eat the Flesh of Jesus"!

John 6 is very clear.

Atwood The Early Church ate the flesh of Jesus they drank his blood "LITERALLY!"
24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, “This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me.”
25 In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood;do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes.

27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord.
28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup.
29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves.

Atwood You can't sin against a SYMBOL!!!!! PROVING Paul is teaching it is real Flesh and Blood of Jesus!
Fact is....If you believe you are in COMMUNION with a "SYMBOL" then you are committing "IDOLATRY"!!! Atwood QUESTION: Are you in COMMUNION with a SYMBOL?! NOTE: Communion root word COMMUNICATION!!!! Do you COMMUNICATE with symbols!!?
Idolatry is a SIN!!!!



I point out.... The word "REMEMBRANCE" means REMEMBER ( Call to mind ) it does NOT mean SYMBOL!!!!
I have to agree here. Struggled much with this one, until I gave in to the fact that I must believe what the Word of God says regarding the matter...even I can't make it "make sense" to my own understanding. This said, I am strongly against any idea of ex opere operato. The sacraments do not work independently or outside faith and are not effective outside faith. The sacraments are there to aid and give assurance to believers. Furthermore, the notion discussed is not isolated to the Lord's Supper alone, to "eat" and "digest" the Lord, means to "eat" His Word in the sense of receiving it in full, living off same etc.
 
Figuratively, to become one with, we come to know Him so well through our co-life with Him. His death becomes our death, His Life becomes our life.

THINK OF THIS: GOD IS PERFECT, HE DOES ALL THINGS PERFECT!
You are a small child you go to your father and say: "Dad can I have some money because it is father' day soon and I need to buy a gift!"

God does it better.... God our father gives us the PERFECT GIFT!
He gives us the PERFECT OFFERING A PERFECT SACRIFICE; so we can have a PERFECT OFFERING for him!

We don't need bulls and rams anymore.. We have the PERFECT unblemished Lamb Of God as our Pascal Sacrifice!

Isaiah 61:8 “For I, the Lord, love justice; I hate robbery and wrongdoing. In my faithfulness I will reward my people and make an everlasting covenant with them.

Jeremiah 50:5 They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and bind themselves to the Lord in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.

Matt 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Rev 5:6
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
 
I have to agree here. Struggled much with this one, until I gave in to the fact that I must believe what the Word of God says regarding the matter...even I can't make it "make sense" to my own understanding. This said, I am strongly against any idea of ex opere operato. The sacraments do not work independently or outside faith and are not effective outside faith. The sacraments are there to aid and give assurance to believers. Furthermore, the notion discussed is not isolated to the Lord's Supper alone, to "eat" and "digest" the Lord, means to "eat" His Word in the sense of receiving it in full, living off same etc.

Good to meet you...
It takes faith in Jesus to be saved!
Faith in Jesus means.. Believing the words of Jesus!!!!

tribesman Words of Jesus... "Go make Disciples of all nations baptizing.."
Clearly CHRISTIANS believe "Baptism makes DISCIPLES!" They believe Baptism, a Sacrament makes disciples because Jesus said it does!

All sacraments are started by Jesus!
Communion with Jesus is by eating the flesh of the living Jesus.. It is a sacrament because it was started by Jesus himself!

Eat my flesh he said!!! He said "If you eat my flesh you will have everlasting life"! Christians have always believe eating the flesh of Jesus gives us life because we have faith in "The WORD" made flesh!

Christians believe "God cannot lie"!

These people do not believe Jesus' words.. NOTE They are NOT Christians!
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves,How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

tribesman These people are NOT Christians.. They refuse to follow Jesus anymore..
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

Jesus lets them go!! He does not call them back he does NOT rephrase his words!!!

tribesman These people are Christians they believe the words of Jesus they believe Jesus is God!
67“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.
 
THINK OF THIS: GOD IS PERFECT, HE DOES ALL THINGS PERFECT!
You are a small child you go to your father and say: "Dad can I have some money because it is father' day soon and I need to buy a gift!"

God does it better.... God our father gives us the PERFECT GIFT!
He gives us the PERFECT OFFERING A PERFECT SACRIFICE; so we can have a PERFECT OFFERING for him!

We don't need bulls and rams anymore.. We have the PERFECT unblemished Lamb Of God as our Pascal Sacrifice!

Isaiah 61:8 “For I, the Lord, love justice; I hate robbery and wrongdoing. In my faithfulness I will reward my people and make an everlasting covenant with them.

Jeremiah 50:5 They will ask the way to Zion and turn their faces toward it. They will come and bind themselves to the Lord in an everlasting covenant that will not be forgotten.

Matt 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Luke 22:20 In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

Rev 5:6
Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing at the center of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. The Lamb had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth.
Not sure how that relates to my take on 'chew', but to your point His gift is His Son given for our sins, risen as our High Priest.
 
Perhaps a nicer rendition of , LET ALL MORTAL FLESH KEEP SILENCE

[video]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JpPm1cxy2B0[/video]
 
I always though to chew on something was to strongly consider it. To ponder it. To absorb the truth of it. To relish in thought about that thing in which you were pondering. To come into reason about it. To meditate on it. To eat it digest it and become one with it. So if we chew on the Lord we will in essence eat and digest him into our body thus becoming one with his. It is in conjunction with the infilling of the Holy Spirit within us. Kinda of reminds me of take the whole roll eat it all her is that scripture that comes to mind. I grew up hearing my grandparents often say let me chew on that awhile. Meaning to all of us who heard it let me think on

Ezk 3:11Moreover he said unto me, Son of man, eat that thou findest; eat this roll, and go speak unto the house of Israel. 2So I opened my mouth, and he caused me to eat that roll.

3And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness. it.

Rev 10: 8-11 gives the same accounting of the point I have considered to this question
8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey. And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
Just my humble take on the points made.
 
In each instance I pointed out before anything was done considerations and thought about what was going to happen took place. Before eating one had to ponder, think about what they were eating chew and digest.
 
I enjoy the scripture pastac posted above showing how we feed on or eat the word of God. It is easy to see in his examples that parable language is being used, since a person doesn't eat a scroll otherwise. Obviously, the word of God is being taken in spiritually as it is heard. And that's what eating it implies. In fact, parable language is used throughout the Bible for this eating business. Satan is said to eat men. In other words, men are called dust in Genesis, and the serpent eats dust. Also, the disciples ate other believers in the Bible. Grain in the Bible are pictures of believers (corn, wheat, and barley). The disciples ate corn on the Sabbath when they were 'an hungered'. To eat each other as true believers is simply parable language for having the word in common and fellowship in common and does not mean cannibalism by any means. Advancing on to the concept of chewing, it should be noted that chewing the cud was a good thing for an animal in Leviticus (Lev 11:3) and its not chewing the cud could make the animal unclean (Lev 11:7). The animals are symbolic of people and God must think it a good thing to chew for a while on his gospel food, meditating on it and considering it.
 
Chewing Jesus puts him inside of the chewer.
I KNOW the living forever flesh of Jesus is IN Me because I eat the living forever flesh!

56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them.
 
Good to meet you...
It takes faith in Jesus to be saved!
Faith in Jesus means.. Believing the words of Jesus!!!!

tribesman Words of Jesus... "Go make Disciples of all nations baptizing.."
Clearly CHRISTIANS believe "Baptism makes DISCIPLES!" They believe Baptism, a Sacrament makes disciples because Jesus said it does!

All sacraments are started by Jesus!
Communion with Jesus is by eating the flesh of the living Jesus.. It is a sacrament because it was started by Jesus himself!

Eat my flesh he said!!! He said "If you eat my flesh you will have everlasting life"! Christians have always believe eating the flesh of Jesus gives us life because we have faith in "The WORD" made flesh!

Christians believe "God cannot lie"!

These people do not believe Jesus' words.. NOTE They are NOT Christians!
52 Then the Jews began to argue sharply among themselves,How can this man give us his flesh to eat?”

tribesman These people are NOT Christians.. They refuse to follow Jesus anymore..
60 On hearing it, many of his disciples said, “This is a hard teaching. Who can accept it?”

Jesus lets them go!! He does not call them back he does NOT rephrase his words!!!

tribesman These people are Christians they believe the words of Jesus they believe Jesus is God!
67“You do not want to leave too, do you?” Jesus asked the Twelve.
68 Simon Peter answered him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. 69 We have come to believe and to know that you are the Holy One of God.
Good to meet you too. We are in agreement regarding communion. However, I think we are to be extremely careful to say that those who in error believe that communion is merely symbolic are not christians (taken their faith and beliefs otherwise is biblical). Saying that those who do not (yet) have full insight about transubstantiation are not christians is to go way too far.
 
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