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actually if the Law of Moses is over now, then it would be ok to be gay. also, the prohibition is for men laying with men as though with a women, it never mentions lesbians , one reasons might be that there is no such thing as lesbian intercourse (all they can do are things comparable to masturbation), and this is only a prohibition for Israelites. the pagans were allowed to do this perversion . To me , it is a sin , and would be punishable by death if Israel was restored with its system of elders and priests (when that happens) then the capitol punishment for this can be reinstituted . Also , The Law of God also says that there must be 2 or 3 witnesses atelast , and they have to catch the man in the act . Also, in the Tanakh , homosexuals were taken out of the land of israel instead of killed , maybe it is because they didnt have the 3 witnesses . So for me (since i believe the Law of God) it is a sin, but for anyone that says teh Law is over , they are hypocrites for teaching against homosexuality .those are the only parts of the law they love. the "no homos" , the "must tithe" dn the "no tatoos" are the only ones they picked as worthy to still apply
Most of those who practice same sex fornication have rejected the truth and are disapproved by God. Yes they are sinners, but unless God draws them they will never come to repentance. There may be some who foolishly get involved but their heart has not been hardened and God was able to reach them through grace and they responded. You and I live our life before God to be pleasing to Him. If God leads you to speak to them, then obey God. Usually, they will have to be warned, just like any hardened sinner who lives in rebellion. If God has given them over to uncleanness through the lust of their own heart, to dishonor their own bodies between themselves (Rom 1:24), or give them up to vile affections (v/26) or give them over to a reprobate mind, then how can we overcome what God has given them over to? There is absolutely nothing that we can do to save them when God has given them over to every conceivable lust and finally a reprobate mind, where every single thought and imagination is dissapproved by God. Their only hope is in God's mercy. If this sounds hard, it is, because they have hardened their heart to the mercy, grace and love of God.
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If gay people are still sinners (like we all are) then why did Jesus die on the cross? Aren't we perfect for who we are, only we do sin towards each other? But our creation is perfect.
Didn't god create these people, and aren't they god's children? And who's to say that their sin is worse than yours? Only god decides.
Didn't god create these people, and aren't they god's children? And who's to say that their sin is worse than yours? Only god decides.
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I don't think homosexuality is wrong anyway, God made you the way you are and you don't choose to be gay so... yeah 
I also know that through repentance and changing our ways all sins will be forgiven.
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I'm inclined to agree with you, that anyone attaching the term 'gay' to their identity has made a conscious decision to reject the word of God, but I'm having a little trouble understanding the connection between masturbation and homosexuality, excluding, of course, the obvious connection of lusting after the same sex.
In your post, you seemed to speak of masturbation as some type of precursor to homosexuality. Would you explain this?
In your post, you seemed to speak of masturbation as some type of precursor to homosexuality. Would you explain this?
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A lot of damage is done in this world because people ignore the Word of God. People twist it and skip over parts, to make themselves feel better about what they're doing/condoning.
God forgives us our sins, yes...but does that mean we should purposely go around doing the very things God calls 'an abomination'? I mean, if God doesn't condone it, should we?
I have homosexual friends. I love them, but do not encourage them in their life style. Also, when they use the argument that I've just quoted from Cari, I don't let it slide...because it's not true.
Homosexuality IS wrong.
God makes us all the way we are- to an extent. Meaning, He created us; but then gave us choices. I could say, I'm slightly on the fat side 'because God made me that way', or, I could say, "God made me, and I chose to eat too much ice cream and not get enough exercise."
Homosexuals say, "God made me to be gay", instead of saying the truth-God made them, and they CHOSE to become gay.
But regardless, I don't think homosexuality is something that requires a death sentence. Humans are quick to judge and condemn, some of us doing so 'in God's name' because we take scriptures too literally or find a way to 'justify' it by twisting God's word.
It's not our place to judge one another so harshly. Should we be against homosexuality, and other sins? Of course. Should we torment/abuse/condemn the sinner? Absolutely not.
I have nothing to say, that was just an AWESOME response! lol
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I don't think homosexuality is wrong anyway, God made you the way you are and you don't choose to be gay so... yeah
Imagine if we believed murder was okay because, "God made them that way, so it's okay for them to want to kill people." Or that stealing was okay because thieves were made that way by God. Homosexuality is one of the only sins that people embrace and identify themselves by. I lie, but I don't go around telling people I'm a liar. I've practiced adultery, but I don't introduce myself, "Hi, I'm Andrea, I'm an adultress." But being homosexual is something some people are rather proud of. It's a sin, it's no better and no worse than the other sins, but it is a sin all the same. So, by saying that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, you're saying there is nothing wrong with sin.
God gave us free choice. As someone who has meddled in the bi-sexual area during several years of my life, I can tell you, while I've been extremely attracted to females, I knew it was wrong, and I forced myself to not think about them inappropriately. I'm happily married to a man who I want to spend the rest of my life with. I've known several gay men who realized what they were doing was wrong, stopped viewing men in a sexual sense, and found and married their best friends in a woman. Just like we can choose not to steal, just like we can choose not to kill, or lie, we can chose not to be sexually impure.
We want so badly in this world to be politically correct, but it'll be much better if we were biblically correct. I think with tv shows, actors, etc focusing on homosexuality, it's almost become something popular. I know plenty of people who were perfectly straight DECIDE to be gay because it seemed popular.
Just be careful that we aren't wanting to please the world so much we disrespect what God has said. I agree there are a few things we could probably debate on about what God was trying to tell us, but it's extremely clear that homosexuality is an abomination to him. He really didn't leave any loopholes in that one.
You aren't doing your friends a favor by supporting their sin. Love them enough to let them know you believe it's wrong. It's hard to look them in the face and know they are going to be very angry with you when you tell them that. They will tell you you have no right to judge them, they'll tell you that they were born that way, they'll tell you that if you were their friend you would support them no matter what...and it sucks, it's hard, and you'll probably lose their friendship, at least for a while. But what's more important? Making your homosexual friend feel good about their sin, or letting them know that what they are doing is perilous to their soul and that you just want them to undrestand God loves them and doesn't want them acting that way.
Would you talk your friend out of theft, or murder, or a one night stand, or lying, or hurting someone? Probably. So why wouldn't you talk them out of another type of sin?
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Thank you Harley for your honesty and insights. There is a lot of truth in what you typed. As we discuss this issue, there is something else I'm reminded of. Regardless of the type of sin a person may be involved in, they are personally and primarily responsible for making the choice to answer the continual gentle persuasion of the voice of God, and not to harden their hearts in rebelliosness. This is why no one, who has rejected Christ, will have an excuse on the day that they must account for their life on earth. No one will be able to say, I didn't repent because your people preached the word unkindly, or, I saw too many hypocrites in the church, and yet these are some of the convenient reasons people use, in order to feel justified in continuing in their sin.
It won't be our style of witnessing, our fact finding, our eloquence in appealing to their intellect, our scientific studies, or how genuinely friendly we appear to be, that will bring about a true desire to turn from homosexuality or any other sinful behavior. It will be the unspoken choice each person makes within his/her own heart, to acknowledge their sinful state, and to surrender to God.
I don't believe that everyone who experienced homosexuality developed those feelings by choice. I believe that we are products of our experiences, and their experiences simply produced an unusual desire which brought about unhealthy and sinful choices, but this cannot be used as an excuse to continue in those behaviors, once they've been exposed to the truth.
If a person experiencing homosexual desires, has a heart, prepared to receive the truth, and to receive Christ, God is the first to perceive it, and will make sure that the right people are present to do His will in ministering to them and supporting them. It is unlikely that anyone who enjoys 'stone throwing' will ever be given the honor of saving a soul from hell.
Luke 15:10 there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents...
It won't be our style of witnessing, our fact finding, our eloquence in appealing to their intellect, our scientific studies, or how genuinely friendly we appear to be, that will bring about a true desire to turn from homosexuality or any other sinful behavior. It will be the unspoken choice each person makes within his/her own heart, to acknowledge their sinful state, and to surrender to God.
I don't believe that everyone who experienced homosexuality developed those feelings by choice. I believe that we are products of our experiences, and their experiences simply produced an unusual desire which brought about unhealthy and sinful choices, but this cannot be used as an excuse to continue in those behaviors, once they've been exposed to the truth.
If a person experiencing homosexual desires, has a heart, prepared to receive the truth, and to receive Christ, God is the first to perceive it, and will make sure that the right people are present to do His will in ministering to them and supporting them. It is unlikely that anyone who enjoys 'stone throwing' will ever be given the honor of saving a soul from hell.
Luke 15:10 there is rejoicing in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner who repents...
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ok. So when a man also [lies] with a man, as he [lies] lies with a woman"...
"both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death"
---This passage is talking about temple prostitution. Second, the whole chapter is how we shouldnt "lie with animals, or the womans mother (men shouldnt), how Cleanliness was so held close in this age that men couldnt sleep with women while on their period...and so on. It was all to address holiness, sacrifices and temple matters. 3) cultural context.
---Other passages
-Sodom and Gomorah (gen 18-20)
men were raping men and women...God called against this.
--Homosexuality in the new testament (men and women gave up natrual for unnatural), well, they were rapping others, orgies, sex Gods....all of this.
-----Why is this a huge issue today anyway? Did you know the Ugandan government is seriously considering executing gays ( http://speakequal.com/?p=3062 ) Or still ,that gblt people are being targeted and hated against at all odds?
really...whether we believe yes or no...we need to stand with the oppressed not against. i take offense to your post because YOU KNOW the answer you were looking for before it was posted.
"both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death"
---This passage is talking about temple prostitution. Second, the whole chapter is how we shouldnt "lie with animals, or the womans mother (men shouldnt), how Cleanliness was so held close in this age that men couldnt sleep with women while on their period...and so on. It was all to address holiness, sacrifices and temple matters. 3) cultural context.
---Other passages
-Sodom and Gomorah (gen 18-20)
men were raping men and women...God called against this.
--Homosexuality in the new testament (men and women gave up natrual for unnatural), well, they were rapping others, orgies, sex Gods....all of this.
-----Why is this a huge issue today anyway? Did you know the Ugandan government is seriously considering executing gays ( http://speakequal.com/?p=3062 ) Or still ,that gblt people are being targeted and hated against at all odds?
really...whether we believe yes or no...we need to stand with the oppressed not against. i take offense to your post because YOU KNOW the answer you were looking for before it was posted.
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