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Re: Gnaw on this...
Also if you are a New NIV freak. Revelation 22:18-19, For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
Also if you are a New NIV freak. Revelation 22:18-19, For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
One of the very first things that I always ask Trinity-deniers is for them to state what they think The Trinity is.
This usually puts and end to their denial, for two reasons:
1) They either can't define what it is that they deny.
or...
2) Their own personal definition of what they think it is, is incorrect, and they have been chasing a strawman.
This usually puts and end to their denial, for two reasons:
1) They either can't define what it is that they deny.
or...
2) Their own personal definition of what they think it is, is incorrect, and they have been chasing a strawman.
Re: Start studying...
You are totally wrong about that, they are LITERALLY 144,000 with the correct birthrights to their tribes of Israel, sealed from harm during the great Tribulation. THUS they are the MORTALS that continue the everlasting Covenant with ISRAEL into the Thousand Year Kingdom as HE reigns from the THRONE OF DAVID.
WE will be the immortals resurrected or caught up to go to Wedding of the Lamb, just before the Great Tribulation.
Revelation 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders {Representing the raptured CHURCH.} ; and no one could learn the song exceptthe one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.
GOD CLEARLY differentiates between the 144,000 and CHURCH.
IF you read this carefully you will see that this is not talking about ONE group, but THREE separate groups:
Revelation 7:1-15 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads." { CLUE one that this is NOT the Church, He is talking about MORTALS on the Earth not YET SEALED and we are already sealed with the Holy Spirit in us. 2 Cor. 1:22 }
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: { CLUE two that this is NOT the Church, this clearly refers to descendants of Israel. }
{ CLUE three that this is NOT the Church, GOD specifically NAMES that they will be 12,000 from each Tribe of Israel. }
[SUP]5 [/SUP] from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
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[SUP]9 [/SUP] After these things I looked, and behold {HE is done talking about the 144,000 and moves on to the SECOND Group, the Bride of Christ made up of OT and NT Saints.}, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders {Representing the raptured CHURCH.} and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] saying, "Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
{Clearly this is a THIRD group that is not the raptured CHURCH, THESE are the beheaded Saints that were first seen under the altar, who had refused the mark of the Beast, Rev. 6:9-11 & Rev. 2:4 .}
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.
Revelation 20:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them {That is clearly the Church-Age Saints, 1 Cor. 2:15-16; and NOTICE GOD just as CLEARLY differentiates between the CHURCH-age Saints and the Tribulation Saints.}. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
You are totally wrong about that, they are LITERALLY 144,000 with the correct birthrights to their tribes of Israel, sealed from harm during the great Tribulation. THUS they are the MORTALS that continue the everlasting Covenant with ISRAEL into the Thousand Year Kingdom as HE reigns from the THRONE OF DAVID.
WE will be the immortals resurrected or caught up to go to Wedding of the Lamb, just before the Great Tribulation.
Revelation 14:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] And they sang a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and the elders {Representing the raptured CHURCH.} ; and no one could learn the song exceptthe one hundred and forty-four thousand who had been purchased from the earth.
GOD CLEARLY differentiates between the 144,000 and CHURCH.
IF you read this carefully you will see that this is not talking about ONE group, but THREE separate groups:
Revelation 7:1-15 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads." { CLUE one that this is NOT the Church, He is talking about MORTALS on the Earth not YET SEALED and we are already sealed with the Holy Spirit in us. 2 Cor. 1:22 }
[SUP]4 [/SUP] And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: { CLUE two that this is NOT the Church, this clearly refers to descendants of Israel. }
{ CLUE three that this is NOT the Church, GOD specifically NAMES that they will be 12,000 from each Tribe of Israel. }
[SUP]5 [/SUP] from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
[SUP]6 [/SUP] from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
[SUP]8 [/SUP] from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.
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[SUP]9 [/SUP] After these things I looked, and behold {HE is done talking about the 144,000 and moves on to the SECOND Group, the Bride of Christ made up of OT and NT Saints.}, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders {Representing the raptured CHURCH.} and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] saying, "Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
{Clearly this is a THIRD group that is not the raptured CHURCH, THESE are the beheaded Saints that were first seen under the altar, who had refused the mark of the Beast, Rev. 6:9-11 & Rev. 2:4 .}
[SUP]14 [/SUP] I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.
Revelation 20:4 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them {That is clearly the Church-Age Saints, 1 Cor. 2:15-16; and NOTICE GOD just as CLEARLY differentiates between the CHURCH-age Saints and the Tribulation Saints.}. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
T
Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Do these terms identify three different persons or personalities in the Godhead? Or do they indicate three different roles, modes, functions, or offices through which the one God operates and reveals Himself?
The Spirit is revealed and received through the name Jesus. He is not a separate person with a separate identity who comes in another name. Jesus said, "The Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name...." (John 14:26). So the Holy Ghost comes in the name of Jesus.
Re: Jacked...
Then you are even more mistaken than I thought. I am as far from JW as you can get. They are a psuedo-christian cult teaching a false Christ. I am a non-denominational CONSERVATIVE Evangelical. Dr. John MacArthur is the one who taught me the Book of Revelation. Here is a link the very Sermons that I learned from, only I heard them first on radio, then I bought the cassette tape series of 36 sermons, and relistened to them on at least 3 more times each. Grace to You
AND I listened to Dr. MacArthur's series on the book of Daniel at least 4 times too. Grace to You
The Literal number interpretation of Rev. 7:4 is taught my most Evangelicals, Baptists, and Community Bible Churches, as well as many others.
Like I said MANY of the best theologians of this day, teach that LITERAL interpretation of the 144,000; and since I believe GOD is intelligent enough to say way HE means, and means what HE says, I absolutely believe they are all Jewish Believers who recognize YESHUA as Messiah.
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We are NOT in Tribulation already, IT WILL BE FAR WORSE. The main reason I KNOW we are NOT in Tribulation already, is the HOLY SPIRIT is still here holding back Antichrist from coming to full power. But HE the Holy Spirit is going to be taken out of the way some day, and sense JESUS said HE would never leave us, WE GO WITH HIM WHEN HE IS TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
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LOL, 24 Churches oh my are you confused.
Try 24 Generations each represented by one Elder. If you divide 2000 years, by 24, and consider each generation of people that could be influenced directly by one Elder before he dies (say at 80-85 years old on average) you will come up with this being the 24th Generation influenced by a single Elder. Could Billy Graham be our Elder? Ultimately it is the LORD Himself who will determine that.
While you are Scoffing, you had better consider this verse:
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
Then you are even more mistaken than I thought. I am as far from JW as you can get. They are a psuedo-christian cult teaching a false Christ. I am a non-denominational CONSERVATIVE Evangelical. Dr. John MacArthur is the one who taught me the Book of Revelation. Here is a link the very Sermons that I learned from, only I heard them first on radio, then I bought the cassette tape series of 36 sermons, and relistened to them on at least 3 more times each. Grace to You
AND I listened to Dr. MacArthur's series on the book of Daniel at least 4 times too. Grace to You
The Literal number interpretation of Rev. 7:4 is taught my most Evangelicals, Baptists, and Community Bible Churches, as well as many others.
Like I said MANY of the best theologians of this day, teach that LITERAL interpretation of the 144,000; and since I believe GOD is intelligent enough to say way HE means, and means what HE says, I absolutely believe they are all Jewish Believers who recognize YESHUA as Messiah.
><>t<><
We are NOT in Tribulation already, IT WILL BE FAR WORSE. The main reason I KNOW we are NOT in Tribulation already, is the HOLY SPIRIT is still here holding back Antichrist from coming to full power. But HE the Holy Spirit is going to be taken out of the way some day, and sense JESUS said HE would never leave us, WE GO WITH HIM WHEN HE IS TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY.
2 Thessalonians 2:7-12 (NKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
[SUP]12 [/SUP] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
><>t<><
LOL, 24 Churches oh my are you confused.
Try 24 Generations each represented by one Elder. If you divide 2000 years, by 24, and consider each generation of people that could be influenced directly by one Elder before he dies (say at 80-85 years old on average) you will come up with this being the 24th Generation influenced by a single Elder. Could Billy Graham be our Elder? Ultimately it is the LORD Himself who will determine that.
While you are Scoffing, you had better consider this verse:
2 Peter 3:3-4 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] First, be aware of this: Scoffers will come in the last days to scoff, living according to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? Ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they have been since the beginning of creation.”
T
I believe that the fullest manifestation you will ever see of God is Jesus Christ. If the invisible God could look into a mirror He would see Jesus. Now how in the world could you say that I am stating that Christ is subordinate to God. When I believe that Christ is God, which is absolutely One. I do believe however that the human body, flesh of Christ, did not always exist and had to be born into the world at some point in the past.
Re: Gnaw on this...
So you too have never read the Original 1611 Preface, where the KJV Translators admitted they were not trying to make a new Translation from the original languages but to make many good translations better. THAT IS PARAPHRASING, NOT TRANSLATING. Here are some excerpts.
QUOTE:
The Translators To The Reader
. . .
Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . .
. . .
But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . .
. . .
Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . .
. . .
(and Saint Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . .
. . .
There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . .
. . .
And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . .
. . .
Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . .
. . .
to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . .
. . .
Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest { poorest } translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . .
. . .
Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Taanslations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us. { The very same thing you do to MODERN Translations. } For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . .
. . .
But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . { That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }
http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm
So you too have never read the Original 1611 Preface, where the KJV Translators admitted they were not trying to make a new Translation from the original languages but to make many good translations better. THAT IS PARAPHRASING, NOT TRANSLATING. Here are some excerpts.
QUOTE:
The Translators To The Reader
. . .
Zeale to promote the common good, whether it be by devising any thing our selves, or revising that which hath bene laboured by others, . . .
. . .
But how shall men meditate in that, which they cannot understand? How shall they understand that which is kept close in an unknowen tongue? . . . so lest the Church be driven to the like exigent, it is necessary to have translations in a readinesse. . .
. . .
Yet it seemed good to the holy Ghost and to them, to take that which they found, (the same being for the greatest part true and sufficient) rather then by making a new, in that new world and greene age of the Church, to expose themselves to many exceptions and cavillations, as though they made a Translation to serve their owne turne, and therefore bearing witnesse to themselves, their witnesse not to be regarded. This may be supposed to bee some cause, why the Translation of the Seventie was allowed to passe for currant. . . . he holdeth the Authours thereof not onely for Interpreters, but also for Prophets in some respect: and Justinian the Emperour enjoyning the Jewes his subjects to use specially the Translation of the Seventie, rendreth this reason thereof, because they were as it were enlighted with propheticall grace. . . .
. . .
(and Saint Jerome affirmeth as much) that the Seventie were Interpreters, they were not Prophets; they did many things well, as learned men; but yet as men they stumbled and fell, one while through oversight, another while through ignorance, yea, sometimes they may be noted to adde to the Originall, and sometimes to take from it; which made the Apostles to leave them many times, when they left the Hebrew, and to deliver the sence thereof according to the trueth of the word, as the spirit gave them utterance. This may suffice touching the Greeke Translations of the old Testament. . . .
. . .
There were also within a few hundreth yeeres after CHRIST, translations many into the Latine tongue: for this tongue also was very fit to convey the Law and the Gospel by, because in those times very many Countreys of the West, yea of the South, East and North, spake or understood Latine, being made Provinces to the Romanes. But now the Latine Translations were too many to be all good, . . . Now the Church of Rome . . . Yea, so unwilling they are to communicate the Scriptures to the peoples understanding in any sort, that they are not ashamed to confesse, that wee forced them to translate it into English against their wills. . . .
. . .
And to the same effect say wee, that we are so farre off from condemning any of their labours that traveiled before us in this kinde, either in this land or beyond sea, either in King Henries time, or King Edwards (if there were any translation, or correction of a translation in his time) or Queene Elizabeths of ever-renoumed memorie, that we acknowledge them to have beene raised up of God, for the building and furnishing of his Church, and that they deserve to be had of us and of posteritie in everlasting remembrance. . . .
. . .
Yet for all that, as nothing is begun and perfited at the same time, and the later thoughts are thought to be the wiser: so, if we building upon their foundation that went before us, and being holpen by their labours, doe endevour to make that better which they left so good; no man, we are sure, hath cause to mislike us; they, we persuade our selves, if they were alive, would thanke us. . . .
. . .
to have the translations of the Bible maturely considered of and examined. For by this meanes it commeth to passe, that whatsoever is sound alreadie (and all is sound for substance, in one or other of our editions, and the worst of ours farre better then their autentike vulgar) the same will shine as gold more brightly, being rubbed and polished; also if any thing be halting, or superfluous, or not so agreeable to the originall, the same may bee corrected, and the trueth set in place. . . .
. . .
Now to the later we answere; that wee doe not deny, nay wee affirme and avow, that the very meanest { poorest } translation of the Bible in English, set foorth by men of our profession (for wee have seene none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. . . .
. . .
Yet before we end, we must answere a third cavill and objection of theirs against us, for altering and amending our Taanslations [sic] so oft; wherein truely they deale hardly, and strangely with us. { The very same thing you do to MODERN Translations. } For to whom ever was it imputed for a fault (by such as were wise) to goe over that which hee had done, and to amend it where he saw cause? . . .
. . .
But the difference that appeareth betweene our Translations, and our often correcting of them, is the thing that wee are specially charged with; let us see therefore whether they themselves bee without fault this way, (if it be to be counted a fault, to correct) and whether they bee fit men to throw stones at us: But it is high time to leave them, and to shew in briefe what wee proposed to our selves, and what course we held in this our perusall and survay of the Bible. Truly (good Christian Reader) wee never thought from the beginning, that we should neede to make a new Translation, nor yet to make of a bad one a good one, (for then the imputation of Sixtus had bene true in some sort, that our people had bene fed with gall of Dragons in stead of wine, with whey in stead of milke, but to make a good one better, or out of many good ones, one principall good one, not justly to be excepted against; that hath bene our indeavour, that our marke. . . . { That makes it a PARAPHRASE and not an actual Translation from the original languages. }
http://www.kjvbibles.com/kjpreface.htm
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Its perfectly logical according to scripture.
You're seriously confused.
For some strange reason you think that only The Father is God. Wrong.
For some strange reason you think that The Son is The Spirit. Wrong.
Scripture NEVER states that each is the other....but, instead, provides legions of verses showing that they are NOT each other.
Study up...
You're seriously confused.
For some strange reason you think that only The Father is God. Wrong.
For some strange reason you think that The Son is The Spirit. Wrong.
Scripture NEVER states that each is the other....but, instead, provides legions of verses showing that they are NOT each other.
Study up...
Re: Jacked...
What a stretch!!!
Where does The Almighty tell us to get out our calculators in order to decipher His word?
Most certainly NOT in your far fetched jacked-up reasoning for the 24 elders!
The only place is in the calculation of the number of the beast in Revelation, in which we are instructed to do so....NOT anywhere else.
What a stretch!!!
Where does The Almighty tell us to get out our calculators in order to decipher His word?
Most certainly NOT in your far fetched jacked-up reasoning for the 24 elders!
The only place is in the calculation of the number of the beast in Revelation, in which we are instructed to do so....NOT anywhere else.
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If you want to use the word person fine but the definition of the word is human being. There is only One Person of God and that is Christ. I do not say that Christ is the Father only that the Father is IN Christ. The Son is not a spirit the Son is the Physical Body of Christ. He is 100% God and 100% Man but He never ceases to be God. I do not believe in a Plurality of Persons doing so would make me a Polytheist when I believe in only ONE absolute God, ONE in number not thought or action.