We will be resurrected bodily one day in the likeness of Christ.

[ELECT]

[h=1]Ezekiel 18:4King James Version (KJV)[/h]4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

 

[john832]

Ezekiel 18:4King James Version (KJV)

4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Eze 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

And so much for original sin.

 

[john832]

only two resurrection #2 and #3 are the same second resurrection spoken of in revelation

curse is he that cometh in the second resurrection

Well, here we disagree my friend. One resurrection has the books opened the other does not.

 

[quickened77]

Anyways, in the bodily resurrection (See Revelation 20), certain believers will rise physically from the grave before the Millennium and certain believers will rise bodily after the Millennium for the Eternal New Earth. Both those living during the Millennium and those living after during the Eternal New Earth will be made up of believing Jews and Gentiles thru out all of time. However, seeing we will be resurrected by the flesh of Jesus Christ and seeing Jesus is a Hebrew (Jew) (or Israelite) physically, we will have a physical body like Jesus Christ and be a Hebrew, Jew, or Israelite like Him, too. Yes, Jesus is born of Adam, but Jesus is also a Hebrew (of the seed of Abram). We will be resurrected in the likeness of Christ's resurrection and have the same flesh as Christ does. Jesus is physically of Hebrew descent; And the Scriptures essentially say that Christ is the first fruits of the resurrection. Meaning, Christ is the first of many that will follow after him (And his likeness).[/QUOTE]

Yet the bible says in John 6 That all which the father gave him and everyone that believeth he will raise up on the last day.

[39] And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[40] And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[quickened77]

Revelation 20:4-6
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years."

In other words, the Bible labels the 1st Resurrection as the "Resurrection of Life" (Which takes place at two different time periods or in two different phases). John 5:29 alludes to the 2nd Resurrection which is the "Resurrection of Damnation."

To paraphrase the above:

1st Resurrection (i.e. The "Resurrection of Life")

Phase 1 - Those on the thrones (Abraham, etc.) and souls of them beheaded for Jesus (Who did not take the Mark) will LIVE and reign with Christ for 1,000 years (Revelation 20:4).

Phase 2 - The rest of the dead (not categorized in Phase 1) will not LIVE until the 1,000 years is finished (Revelation 20:5).​

2nd Resurrection (i.e. The "Resurrection of Damnation")

The Second Resurrection is the "Resurrection of Damnation." These types of individuals will be resurrected bodily so as to be destroyed in the Lake of Fire (Which then after all the wicked are destroyed (And justice has been carried out), then death will be the last enemy to be destroyed).

Jason you need to let scripture interpret scripture . Here are your two resurrections in John 5
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
[25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
[26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
[27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

 

[ThomistColin]

It is called anti-Semitism.

That is a laugh calling me an anti-semite. I spent two years of my life as a Temple goy, studying Hebrew under a Jewish rabbi.

I'm offended because it places one race above others. Whites are not superior to blacks, Germans are superior to everyone else, and the Jews are not superior to Gentiles.

 

[dcontroversal]

Right now believing Gentiles are spiritual Jews, Israelites, or Hebrews (See Galatians 3:16 about the "Promised Seed" and Galatians 3:29 about how we are heirs of the seed of Abraham in Christ Jesus).

Anyways, in the bodily resurrection (See Revelation 20), certain believers will rise physically from the grave before the Millennium and certain believers will rise bodily after the Millennium for the Eternal New Earth. Both those living during the Millennium and those living after during the Eternal New Earth will be made up of believing Jews and Gentiles thru out all of time. However, seeing we will be resurrected by the flesh of Jesus Christ and seeing Jesus is a Hebrew (Jew) (or Israelite) physically, we will have a physical body like Jesus Christ and be a Hebrew, Jew, or Israelite like Him, too. Yes, Jesus is born of Adam, but Jesus is also a Hebrew (of the seed of Abram). We will be resurrected in the likeness of Christ's resurrection and have the same flesh as Christ does. Jesus is physically of Hebrew descent; And the Scriptures essentially say that Christ is the first fruits of the resurrection. Meaning, Christ is the first of many that will follow after him (And his likeness).

Doesn't it say that there is neither JEW nor GENTILE in Christ, but a new creation in Christ Jesus....yeah I get the concept of being of the seed and stock of Abraham and heirs according to faith.....!

I like the words used to describe the new body that believers will receive....astral, celestial, ethereal..one that can dwell in light as God IS light and dwells in Light.........................

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Right now believing Gentiles are spiritual Jews, Israelites, or Hebrews (See Galatians 3:16 about the "Promised Seed" and Galatians 3:29 about how we are heirs of the seed of Abraham in Christ Jesus).

Anyways, in the bodily resurrection (See Revelation 20), certain believers will rise physically from the grave before the Millennium and certain believers will rise bodily after the Millennium for the Eternal New Earth. Both those living during the Millennium and those living after during the Eternal New Earth will be made up of believing Jews and Gentiles thru out all of time. However, seeing we will be resurrected by the flesh of Jesus Christ and seeing Jesus is a Hebrew (Jew) (or Israelite) physically, we will have a physical body like Jesus Christ and be a Hebrew, Jew, or Israelite like Him, too. Yes, Jesus is born of Adam, but Jesus is also a Hebrew (of the seed of Abram). We will be resurrected in the likeness of Christ's resurrection and have the same flesh as Christ does. Jesus is physically of Hebrew descent; And the Scriptures essentially say that Christ is the first fruits of the resurrection. Meaning, Christ is the first of many that will follow after him (And his likeness).

Are you saying that we will be raised a Hebrew? WHERE do you read that? WHERE do you read that we are spiritual Jews, Israelites, or Hebrews? My scriptures say concerning the church - that there is neither Jew, nor Greek but we are all one in the body of Christ. Concerning Jesus Christ resurrected body - scripture says he showed himself unto his disciples [John 21:1, he ate with them [John 21:12,13] and that he was "flesh and bone" [Luke 24:39]. Scripture says that "this corruption must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality." What does all that entail? I guess we will have to wait and see.

 

[Jason0047]

Are you saying that we will be raised a Hebrew? WHERE do you read that? WHERE do you read that we are spiritual Jews, Israelites, or Hebrews? My scriptures say concerning the church - that there is neither Jew, nor Greek but we are all one in the body of Christ. Concerning Jesus Christ resurrected body - scripture says he showed himself unto his disciples [John 21:1, he ate with them [John 21:12,13] and that he was "flesh and bone" [Luke 24:39]. Scripture says that "this corruption must put on incorruption and this mortal must put on immortality." What does all that entail? I guess we will have to wait and see.

Circumcision of the Heart in the New Testament:

Acts 7:51

"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

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Spiritual Circumcision in the New Testament:

Philippians 3:3

"For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh."

​

Romans 2:28-29

28 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

​

Colossians 2:11

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ"


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[Jason0047]

Jason you need to let scripture interpret scripture . Here are your two resurrections in John 5
[24] Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
[25] Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
[26] For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
[27] And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
[29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

Yes, I already pointed out how verse 29 had two resurrections (i.e. a Resurrection of Life and a Resurrection of Damnation). The first resurrection is in two parts or phases. Read Revelation 20:4-5. It says LIVE. Beilevers will LIVE during the Millennium and believes will LIVE after the Millennium. It says the rest of the dead lived not again until. This implies another bodily resurrection under the umbrella of the 1st resurrection of life.

In other words, I want you to provide a commentary on Revelation 20:4-5. Go over each word. What is it saying?

 

[Jason0047]

Again, I'm trying desperately not to derail this thread, but I did follow your link and you're way off on one point. IOW, Abraham was MOST DEFINITELY a Gentile. In fact, Abraham died BEFORE God ever changed Jacob's name to Israel or BEFORE there was ever any such thing as a natural Israelite upon the face of the earth so he had to be a Gentile. At the same time, however, Abraham was also MOST DEFINITELY a part of "the Israel of God" in that he was a believer in and follower of the True Israel, Jesus Christ, Who is Abraham's seed (Galatians 3:16).

This is definitely an unorthdox view. You are the first person I ran into who believes Abram (Abraham) is not considered the father of the Jewish nation and is a Gentile. Why? Because the Jews believed Abram (Abraham) was the founding father of their nation.

John 8:39
"They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham."

There are of course many other verses that tell us this, too. But I will have to get back to you on that.

 

[Jason0047]

And Jews did not consider themselves as Gentiles.

 

[Jason0047]

Besides, even if you didn’t consider Abraham a Hebrew / Father of the Jews, Jesus is still Jewish regardless. For Jesus said in John 4 that salvation is of the Jews. Seeing we will be bodily resurrected after Christ's likeness, we will be Jewish physically on some level as He is.

 

[Jason0047]

It's why Matthew's genealogy is so important to the Jews. It is a Jewish lineage going all way back to the father of the Jewish nation who is Abraham. Abraham was chosen by God to be the beginning of God's Holy nation. All those Jews who obeyed God would be heirs according to the Promise. But what of the Gentiles? Well, thru Jesus Christ we would be joint heirs thru Christ. For we are a chosen nation and a royal priesthood. Abraham still has to inherit the land promised to Him. This can only be if He is physically resurrected. Yes, Jesus and Abraham are also of Adam (Who is the culmination of all mankind), but Abraham was chosen by God to be the father of many nations starting with Israel (Which is God's chosen nation). In fact, one day shortly before the Messiah returns, the Jewish nation will repent and accept Jesus as their Savior. In other words, God doesn't make mistakes. He knows His chosen people from long ago will one day come back to Him. God's promises will be fulfilled.

 

[Tintin]

Besides, even if you didn’t consider Abraham a Hebrew / Father of the Jews, Jesus is still Jewish regardless. For Jesus said in John 4 that salvation is of the Jews. Seeing we will be bodily resurrected after Christ's likeness, we will be Jewish physically on some level as He is.

Jason, I'm thinking you're taking it a little too far with the 'us all being physically Jewish' thing. We will all be one in Christ, but we will be ourselves in glorified new bodies. But we will look like ourselves, sans sin and its consequences.

 

[Jason0047]

Jason, I'm thinking you're taking it a little too far with the 'us all being physically Jewish' thing. We will all be one in Christ, but we will be ourselves in glorified new bodies. But we will look like ourselves, sans sin and its consequences.

Thank you for the rep. However, on this point I have to disagree, my friend. There is no such thing as a glorified bodies (i.e. some hybrid physical / spiritual bodies). Read 1 Cornthians 15, it speaks how there is a natural body and a spiritual body. It then goes into how there is a bodily resurrection. Scripture says Christ is the first fruits of the resurrection. For who are the others who will be reaping the benefits concerning the fruits of the resurrection? Scripture says we will be in His likeness. Jesus still has a physical body right now. In Revelation and other passages it is made clear that he was dead and now he is alive forever more. Alive means he has a physical body still. In the city of New Jerusalem that comes down from Heaven upon the Eternal New Earth, there will be no temple because God will be the temple thereof. Meaning, Jesus is that temple. For Jesus even said Himself that if you destroy this temple he will raise it up in three days. In fact, Paul says in 1 Corinthians 15:12, "...how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead? Paul continues in verses 13-14, "But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen: And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain."

 

[Jason0047]

For in Adam... all die. But in Christ... all should made alive. Not just spiritually alive, but physically alive (After Christ's likeness). Remember, Adam is called the first Adam and Jesus is called the Last Adam. Meaning everyone who lives in Adam will die; But all who live in Christ will live.

 

[Vernon]

"In Christ there is neither Jew or Greek..." Apostle Paul circa 60ad

 

[JesusistheChrist]

lol.

It's amazing how somebody could so thoroughly misrepresent what I actually said...and the Word of God in some instances, too.

Anyhow, I'll address what I actually said and certain other statements which you have made some time later on this afternoon. In the meantime, please don't run with what I said anymore because you obviously don't even understand what I actually said. Thanks.

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Circumcision of the Heart in the New Testament:

Acts 7:51

"Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."

​

Spiritual Circumcision in the New Testament:

Philippians 3:3

"For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh."

​

Romans 2:28-29

28 "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."

​

Colossians 2:11

"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ" ​

I really don't see what the above has to do with anything that I posted but again - Are you saying that when we are raised we will be "Hebrew"? I am just trying to clarify what you are saying.

However, seeing we will be resurrected by the flesh of Jesus Christ and seeing Jesus is a Hebrew (Jew) (or Israelite) physically, we will have a physical body like Jesus Christ and be a Hebrew, Jew, or Israelite like Him, too. Yes, Jesus is born of Adam, but Jesus is also a Hebrew (of the seed of Abram). We will be resurrected in the likeness of Christ's resurrection and have the same flesh as Christ does.

I was just trying to clarify what you were saying and instead of just answering my questions - you posted a bunch of scriptures . . . Why is it so hard just to answer in your own words what you are saying? Thanks.