Christians and crimes of the Jewish State
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Yes Israelites are terrorists. Yes America is terrorists. Have you ever watched the news? We all know these things doh!
But here is where you really amaze woman, You actually think that natural wicked hateful aetheist Jews ARE the Children of God? And you call me a heretic because I don't agree with you?
SERIOUSLY?
This has really got to be embarrassing for you in public, but here is God's correction to you once again;
(Rom 9:8)
That is, it is not the children of the flesh that are children of God; but the children of the promise are reckoned for a seed.
See how easy it is to know truth?
So, do I believe you have any basis for your hysterical rantings against Jesus and His Wife? No, of course not. You just seem to hate that message. How strange indeed.
Just another Jew, saying the same thing... Don't know if he's christian though, maybe unbiased ?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90Pm2Zpbq_4
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=90Pm2Zpbq_4
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MsSpratt, I think this thread is getting out of hand so I will explain to you my point of view and leave if the hostility from both sides continue:
1) When you started the thread without saying anything I was annoyed because I couldn’t really gather what your point of view were, hence my initial comments.
2) I do agree with you that the killing of innocent woman and children are wrong but there are two sides to this story and then there is the truth. What the truth is, is difficult to dissect as both sides are using the media to further their cause.
3) For me (and this is my opinion) you have the right to defend yourself when attacked in cold blood. It is difficult for us to try and gather the truth as we have to listen to the media and propaganda coming from the Middle East.
4) Last thing I want to say is that both sides are making mistakes and both sides are guilty of hate speech so we cannot look at every comment in isolation. Both sides are guilty.
This is one of the oldest wars in the world and will also be a war in the last days when Yeshua comes back to fetch his bride. It is our duty to pray for the Jews as a nation and that YHWH will open our eyes to see who the spiritual Israel is. Like Kaylagirl said we are going to be grafted into the olive tree.
1) When you started the thread without saying anything I was annoyed because I couldn’t really gather what your point of view were, hence my initial comments.
2) I do agree with you that the killing of innocent woman and children are wrong but there are two sides to this story and then there is the truth. What the truth is, is difficult to dissect as both sides are using the media to further their cause.
3) For me (and this is my opinion) you have the right to defend yourself when attacked in cold blood. It is difficult for us to try and gather the truth as we have to listen to the media and propaganda coming from the Middle East.
4) Last thing I want to say is that both sides are making mistakes and both sides are guilty of hate speech so we cannot look at every comment in isolation. Both sides are guilty.
This is one of the oldest wars in the world and will also be a war in the last days when Yeshua comes back to fetch his bride. It is our duty to pray for the Jews as a nation and that YHWH will open our eyes to see who the spiritual Israel is. Like Kaylagirl said we are going to be grafted into the olive tree.
And you keep up with that disgusting hateful mouth and I'll slice it off again woman. You better learn how to talk is all that I can say. You are a horrible example of a Christian so far. You owe me an apology. Not for being ignorant of scriptures, but for being evil at me with false accusations continually, and no repentance and just plain arrogant.
MsSprat is absolutely free of any mistakes in this thread. I met her here, and she has wisdom and understanding. She wanted to hear OTHER'S input. You weren't required to know "where she was coming from". I didn't know. I Just read, and gave the obvious answer of the Lord.
About then, we both began to be attacked by some real pieces of work here whom I shall not forget. It was the most unchristlike performance of naysayers to say the least. Scriptures mean nothing to them, only their opinion means anything, and to be nasty nasty nasty.
I have asked for an apology twice. I shall continue awaiting it.
That is all
About then, we both began to be attacked by some real pieces of work here whom I shall not forget. It was the most unchristlike performance of naysayers to say the least. Scriptures mean nothing to them, only their opinion means anything, and to be nasty nasty nasty.
I have asked for an apology twice. I shall continue awaiting it.
That is all
That is the point. She was asking for the opinion of others on a public forum. She wasn't blogging about hers. There is no rule that states she has to give an opinion on her own OP that I know of, it is her OP she can direct it as she likes. So once again, you are wrong for insisting her format needed to meet your approval. Are you really saying this? *sigh*
And it isn't a "touchy subject" unless you make it one. Just answer it to learn about yourself if nothing else. Is this country on the Mediterranean known as "Israel", a terrorist country guilty of terrorist crimes. Or all they are "the chosen of God" as somebody here claimed? "By their fruits ye shall know them."
See how the normal channel of thought goes?
It was simple for me to answer. I was born here. I was saved by Christ from these anti-christs around me, they all hate Jesus. They call him a b*stard, did you know that?
My delieverance from this den of serpents, as Jesus refers to them, is a tremendous testimony. Not many receive Christ from here. I was divorced, disowned and beaten by my family who hates Jesus.
And yes, they are terrorists in their further wickedness in their war crimes against others.
Now... for the astute, does that sound like a country to be supporting spiritually, financially, religiously in ANY WAY?
These are the simple things that came to mind in this OP, they are obvious, so I posted them. Then I watched the most ungodly demonstration of "Christians" I've seen in a long time.
What a gas lol
And it isn't a "touchy subject" unless you make it one. Just answer it to learn about yourself if nothing else. Is this country on the Mediterranean known as "Israel", a terrorist country guilty of terrorist crimes. Or all they are "the chosen of God" as somebody here claimed? "By their fruits ye shall know them."
See how the normal channel of thought goes?
It was simple for me to answer. I was born here. I was saved by Christ from these anti-christs around me, they all hate Jesus. They call him a b*stard, did you know that?
My delieverance from this den of serpents, as Jesus refers to them, is a tremendous testimony. Not many receive Christ from here. I was divorced, disowned and beaten by my family who hates Jesus.
And yes, they are terrorists in their further wickedness in their war crimes against others.
Now... for the astute, does that sound like a country to be supporting spiritually, financially, religiously in ANY WAY?
These are the simple things that came to mind in this OP, they are obvious, so I posted them. Then I watched the most ungodly demonstration of "Christians" I've seen in a long time.
What a gas lol
I briefly browsed this thread and I admit I'm not totally caught up on the politics and going ons of the middle east but I am kind of confused on why Israel is considered such a sacred cow by Christians today. As far as I'm aware many Jews in Israel don't even believe in a God at all anymore. If they've abandoned God, how can their actions be guided by God or doing God's will? If they are in the wrong, what is so wrong with calling them out on it? Not to say I think the Palestinians are any better or a victim... just that well... Jews are seen as some kind of saintly holy people and I don't really know why.
I understand Jews were the chosen people back in the bible... and I guess they still may be but I really don't see why they would be. It doesn't make much sense to me. The Jews were the chosen ones because that was the line of people from which David, and ultimately, Jesus would descend from. Now that Jesus has come and delivered all of us, why are the Jews any more chosen than any Christians? Is there places in the bible where it states stuff about this after Jesus died and rose again? Cause I don't remember it to be honest.
If Jews still are God's chosen... well they haven't exactly embraced Christ (and if you do you are no longer considered a Jew by the Jewish people) and God has a habit of letting the Jews wander blind in their folly when they turn from God. So if they are still chosen people... he'll raise them up sooner or later. In the mean time, why are we called to be their protectors regardless of what they do? If they do wrong, which isn't a stretch seeing as they aren't walking with God anyway, is it anti-sematic to call them out for doing wrong?
I honestly don't see why they'd be a chosen people anymore anyway. What more do they have to be delivered from? Jesus already delivered them and anyone else. If they have turned their nose up to the truth, how can they be God's people today? Even practicing Jews don't do rituals and sacrifices as instructed in the OT. I know they claim it's because the temple is not there but that makes no sense. People in the bible just built altars where ever they were, they didn't need a temple. The Jews of today are hardly the Jews of the bible from what I can tell. And I can't think of anything biblical post Jesus that elevates Jews above anyone else as a chosen people.
I think God may still have plans for them but maybe they need to screw up bad enough before they realize the truth. No need for us to get in the way of that. I've heard people IRL say that if we turn against Israel, then God will turn against us. First, i'm not turning against anyone... I just think Jews are like anyone else and while God may still have a plan for them, that's in his hands. Second... why are Christians concerned about God's wrath being poured out? If he turns against the US, GOOD. Whip this country back into shape. Whip Israel back into shape too. I know regardless of whatever happens, I am in God's hands. If the US falls tomorrow, in the end, it doesn't matter. I am God's and there is nothing that can happen that will change that. Come good or bad, I know I am his. So why are Christians so concerned about Jews and what they are doing and the need to defend them to the degree that if you don't agree with them, your salvation is questioned? In the bible Jesus didn't say nothing about believing Jews to be chosen people as a need for salvation. I think standing next to your brothers and sisters in Christ as evidence of salvation and that's what Christians are. Jews reject Jesus and are not Christians so I don't see why they are elevated or why I should stand with them regardless of what they do or raise them up as some "sacred cow"?
Honestly, why is a Jew held in any higher regard than a muslim? Both reject Jesus as the savior. That right there says neither will enter the kingdom of heaven. Why should I stand by either?
I understand Jews were the chosen people back in the bible... and I guess they still may be but I really don't see why they would be. It doesn't make much sense to me. The Jews were the chosen ones because that was the line of people from which David, and ultimately, Jesus would descend from. Now that Jesus has come and delivered all of us, why are the Jews any more chosen than any Christians? Is there places in the bible where it states stuff about this after Jesus died and rose again? Cause I don't remember it to be honest.
If Jews still are God's chosen... well they haven't exactly embraced Christ (and if you do you are no longer considered a Jew by the Jewish people) and God has a habit of letting the Jews wander blind in their folly when they turn from God. So if they are still chosen people... he'll raise them up sooner or later. In the mean time, why are we called to be their protectors regardless of what they do? If they do wrong, which isn't a stretch seeing as they aren't walking with God anyway, is it anti-sematic to call them out for doing wrong?
I honestly don't see why they'd be a chosen people anymore anyway. What more do they have to be delivered from? Jesus already delivered them and anyone else. If they have turned their nose up to the truth, how can they be God's people today? Even practicing Jews don't do rituals and sacrifices as instructed in the OT. I know they claim it's because the temple is not there but that makes no sense. People in the bible just built altars where ever they were, they didn't need a temple. The Jews of today are hardly the Jews of the bible from what I can tell. And I can't think of anything biblical post Jesus that elevates Jews above anyone else as a chosen people.
I think God may still have plans for them but maybe they need to screw up bad enough before they realize the truth. No need for us to get in the way of that. I've heard people IRL say that if we turn against Israel, then God will turn against us. First, i'm not turning against anyone... I just think Jews are like anyone else and while God may still have a plan for them, that's in his hands. Second... why are Christians concerned about God's wrath being poured out? If he turns against the US, GOOD. Whip this country back into shape. Whip Israel back into shape too. I know regardless of whatever happens, I am in God's hands. If the US falls tomorrow, in the end, it doesn't matter. I am God's and there is nothing that can happen that will change that. Come good or bad, I know I am his. So why are Christians so concerned about Jews and what they are doing and the need to defend them to the degree that if you don't agree with them, your salvation is questioned? In the bible Jesus didn't say nothing about believing Jews to be chosen people as a need for salvation. I think standing next to your brothers and sisters in Christ as evidence of salvation and that's what Christians are. Jews reject Jesus and are not Christians so I don't see why they are elevated or why I should stand with them regardless of what they do or raise them up as some "sacred cow"?
Honestly, why is a Jew held in any higher regard than a muslim? Both reject Jesus as the savior. That right there says neither will enter the kingdom of heaven. Why should I stand by either?
who made the popcorn?
so that you may be informed and not look foolish (your talking points), it would be best to read this entire article by Forward (and others).
propaganda is used by all nations - including Israel.
How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza
Kidnap, Crackdown, Mutual Missteps and a Hail of Rockets
...Nor was that the only fib. It was clear from the beginning that the kidnappers weren’t acting on orders from Hamas leadership in Gaza or Damascus. Hamas’ Hebron branch — more a crime family than a clandestine organization — had a history of acting without the leaders’ knowledge, sometimes against their interests. Yet Netanyahu repeatedly insisted Hamas was responsible for the crime and would pay for it.
http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/?p=all
um...that 'official story' has also been revealed as a lie. no evidence has ever been produced by anyone, including the IDF.
6. Israel contends that Hamas forcibly puts Palestinian civilians in the line of fire, specifically by keeping them in buildings from which Hamas fighters operate. Although this has never once been supported with conclusive evidence, the Israeli government touts it as the primary reason for the high civilian death toll.
Controversial Israeli military strategies in Gaza
Controversial, illegal, and documented: Israeli military strategies in Gaza – Mondoweiss
again, for your further learning i suggest you read the entire report, and do follow up.
speaking of schools:
Gaza crisis: a closer look at Israeli strikes on UNRWA schools
Gaza crisis: a closer look at Israeli strikes on UNRWA schools | World news | The Guardian
Israel-Gaza conflict: Ban ki-Moon declares Israeli attack on UN school ‘a criminal act’ - Israel was informed of the locations 17 times, then bombed anyway.
Israel-Gaza conflict: Ban ki-Moon declares Israeli attack on UN school ‘a criminal act’ - Middle East - World - The Independent
no "change". i don't know what you are suggesting - this is an international issue. i assume you are an American, and wonder what would the population's demand be if New York invaded and took over Vermont....created a concentration camp and placed all American Indians in it...then proceeded to do all the things listed here:
Controversial Israeli military strategies in Gaza
Controversial, illegal, and documented: Israeli military strategies in Gaza – Mondoweiss
outrage? apathy? or would you say the Indians deserved it, especially if they began to resist by throwing rocks into New York?
as i simply stated the reason for this thread was outrage and revulsion over Israeli's most recent crimes against humanity (committed with impunity (55 days), protected by the United States of America - which is culpable due to misunderstanding and repeating one single verse in Genesis); combined with sadness and disappointment at ppl like yourself who appear regardless of endless evidence, to have not a shred of empathy for civilians tormented by an occupying, apartheid and apparently sadistic nation.
as for the rest of this part, it's incoherent.
perhaps after you are up to speed on what really happened we could discuss it further.
you do realize they are trapped there, don't you?
Israeli naval ship bombs Palestinian children on Gaza beach, killing four
Israeli naval ship bombs Palestinian children on Gaza beach, killing four - Telegraph
[h=3]Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza Beach[/h]http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israeli-palestinian-children
we now know, the children were targeted - bombed as they fled for their lives. the beach was otherwise empty.
Harrowing images capture Palestinian boys fleeing beach moments before they were killed by Israeli shell
The bombing took place in front of dozens of international journalists who were in a nearby hotel.
Many rushed to help two boys who were also injured in the attack.
this is the father of the boys (an ordinary man):
The Israeli military said the reported civilian casualties were unintended and "tragic" and it was investigating what happened.
"Based on preliminary results, the target of this strike (on the beach) was Hamas terrorist operatives," it said in a statement.
Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel's armed forces try to avoid civilian casualties but that militant rocket crews put noncombatants at risk by operating in crowded residential areas [the beach was empty, four boys clearly seen by hundreds, just playing soccer]
thank you for your post. being informed by actual facts would be helpful
propaganda is used by all nations - including Israel.
How Politics and Lies Triggered an Unintended War in Gaza
Kidnap, Crackdown, Mutual Missteps and a Hail of Rockets
...Nor was that the only fib. It was clear from the beginning that the kidnappers weren’t acting on orders from Hamas leadership in Gaza or Damascus. Hamas’ Hebron branch — more a crime family than a clandestine organization — had a history of acting without the leaders’ knowledge, sometimes against their interests. Yet Netanyahu repeatedly insisted Hamas was responsible for the crime and would pay for it.
http://forward.com/articles/201764/how-politics-and-lies-triggered-an-unintended-war/?p=all
um...that 'official story' has also been revealed as a lie. no evidence has ever been produced by anyone, including the IDF.
6. Israel contends that Hamas forcibly puts Palestinian civilians in the line of fire, specifically by keeping them in buildings from which Hamas fighters operate. Although this has never once been supported with conclusive evidence, the Israeli government touts it as the primary reason for the high civilian death toll.
Controversial Israeli military strategies in Gaza
Controversial, illegal, and documented: Israeli military strategies in Gaza – Mondoweiss
again, for your further learning i suggest you read the entire report, and do follow up.
speaking of schools:
Gaza crisis: a closer look at Israeli strikes on UNRWA schools
Gaza crisis: a closer look at Israeli strikes on UNRWA schools | World news | The Guardian
Israel-Gaza conflict: Ban ki-Moon declares Israeli attack on UN school ‘a criminal act’ - Israel was informed of the locations 17 times, then bombed anyway.
Israel-Gaza conflict: Ban ki-Moon declares Israeli attack on UN school ‘a criminal act’ - Middle East - World - The Independent
no "change". i don't know what you are suggesting - this is an international issue. i assume you are an American, and wonder what would the population's demand be if New York invaded and took over Vermont....created a concentration camp and placed all American Indians in it...then proceeded to do all the things listed here:
Controversial Israeli military strategies in Gaza
Controversial, illegal, and documented: Israeli military strategies in Gaza – Mondoweiss
outrage? apathy? or would you say the Indians deserved it, especially if they began to resist by throwing rocks into New York?
as i simply stated the reason for this thread was outrage and revulsion over Israeli's most recent crimes against humanity (committed with impunity (55 days), protected by the United States of America - which is culpable due to misunderstanding and repeating one single verse in Genesis); combined with sadness and disappointment at ppl like yourself who appear regardless of endless evidence, to have not a shred of empathy for civilians tormented by an occupying, apartheid and apparently sadistic nation.
as for the rest of this part, it's incoherent.
perhaps after you are up to speed on what really happened we could discuss it further.
you do realize they are trapped there, don't you?
Israeli naval ship bombs Palestinian children on Gaza beach, killing four
Israeli naval ship bombs Palestinian children on Gaza beach, killing four - Telegraph
[h=3]Israeli strike kills four Palestinian children playing soccer on Gaza Beach[/h]http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israeli-palestinian-children
we now know, the children were targeted - bombed as they fled for their lives. the beach was otherwise empty.
Harrowing images capture Palestinian boys fleeing beach moments before they were killed by Israeli shell
The bombing took place in front of dozens of international journalists who were in a nearby hotel.
Many rushed to help two boys who were also injured in the attack.
this is the father of the boys (an ordinary man):
The Israeli military said the reported civilian casualties were unintended and "tragic" and it was investigating what happened.
"Based on preliminary results, the target of this strike (on the beach) was Hamas terrorist operatives," it said in a statement.
Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel's armed forces try to avoid civilian casualties but that militant rocket crews put noncombatants at risk by operating in crowded residential areas [the beach was empty, four boys clearly seen by hundreds, just playing soccer]
thank you for your post. being informed by actual facts would be helpful
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