Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[john832]

I believe that this occurs during the millennium because after the 1000 year reign of Jesus there is the great white throne judgment and death will finally be destroyed in the lake of fire. There will be no more death at this point so it would not be possible for a sinner to be accursed by living less than a 100 years as there will be no more sin as well.

That IS the Great White Throne Judgment also known as the Last Great Day. There are actually two resurrections mentioned in Rev 20:11-15...

Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Why is there no place found for them? They have not made a choice yet. They have not accepted nor have they rejected the only name (Acts 4:12)

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Notice that this resurrection has books (Biblios) opened to these people? Judgment is not condemnation or sentencing, it is the act of determining or discerning. The church is under judgment right now...

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

This does not mean the church is being cast into the Lake of Fire, it means God is looking at us daily. He is looking for growth, He is looking for points that He judges by to hand out rewards...

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

There are a class of people (billions) that have never understood the truth of God...

Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear unto this day.

They have not had this miracle take place...

Luk 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

These folks spent 3-1/2 years talking with Christ, seeing how He lived and being taught by Him, yet they needed this miracle to be able to understand the scriptures.

Same in the Last Great Day or Great White Throne Judgment...

Rev 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

All 66 of 'em are finally opened for all to understand.

Now notice the final resurrection...

Rev 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

The books (Biblios) are not opened. These folks have had their chance and the chose poorly (apologies for the reference to "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade"). The only book consulted is the Book of Life. If their name is not in the Book of Life, they are burned up in the Lake of Fire.

 

[crossnote]

Here is a clear and easy to follow primer on Replacement Theology. See if it sounds familiar.

The Error of Replacement Theology, by Clarence H. Wagner, Jr.

 

[john832]

Oh oh, I was hoping to get to that edit quicker than you, I am so sorry, you will notice I changed it to the real culprit. You have been only wise and full of knowledge understanding and grace. And I have appreciated you so much! It was a typo of wrong handle accept my apology?

Not always wise, sometimes I do things that disgust even me. This overreaction is one of them and I wish to apologize to you and the others on this board.

 

[4enlightment]

When God cut off the bloodline (lineage) of a person, he has blotted them from the Book of life; but most of us has branched from someone. David's bloodline is still around.

Genesis 9:5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand an accounting from every animal. And from each human being, too, I will demand an accounting for the life of another human being.

Exodus 17:14 Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write this on a scroll as something to be remembered and make sure that Joshua hears it, because I will completely blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven.”

1 Samuel 31:1 Now the Philistines fought against Israel; the Israelites fled before them, and many fell dead on Mount Gilboa. 2 The Philistines were in hot pursuit of Saul and his sons, and they killed his sons Jonathan, Abinadab and Malki-Shua.

Deuteronomy 9:14 Let me alone, so that I may destroy them and blot out their name from under heaven. And I will make you into a nation stronger and more numerous than they.”

Deuteronomy 25:6 The first son she bears shall carry on the name of the dead brother so that his name will not be blotted out from Israel.

Psalm 69:28 May they be blotted out of the book of life and not be listed with the righteous.

Revelation 3:5 The one who is victorious will, like them, be dressed in white. I will never blot out the name of that person from the book of life, but will acknowledge that name before my Father and his angels.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This thread is only about fables and endless genealogies of Jews, as though they are still somehow "chosen" while in their sins.

No thats not what it is about. You should know this, especially since quite a few of us have posted that they are still in sin, and still being punished.

It is about God.

1. Will God keep his promises
2. Is God full of grace and mercy, even to his chosen people (allowing him to keep number 1)
3. Is Israel Gods enemy according to the gospel, but still beloved because of Gods promise (to their fathers)
4. Is Scripture correct, when it states on day, these evil sinning people of Israel will repent, And because of their repentance, and according to Gods promise to their fathers (gen) and his promise to never forget that promise (lev 26) be restored as dry bones who were given life, to their land.

if you can not understand this about the thread. then we can not go any further, Because you do not even understand what the thread is about. How can you respond to the thread properly if you do not even understand what it is in regards to?? You can't

 

[Billyd]

MARKED:
Kaylagirl, crossnote, Jesus is all and eternally-grateful.
MARKED:

I shall make it my duty to watch you and the hateful lies you tell on this forum, and the absolutely disgusting manner in which you treat people who provide scriptures to deliver you from your doctrines of devils that rob the Church. We don't lay down for your clever carnal opinions about the Jews or the damnable doctrine of futurism. You have been warned repeatedly.
You are marked.

I think that you owe the above people an apology.

I have read the entire thread and find that they have presented thoroughly scriptural arguments. I have also read each verse that you have posted, and I find only one problem with them. When I put them to the contextual test for scripture, I find them insufficient to support your argument.

Of all the posts I have read on this site, I find many of yours the most obnoxious. Please feel free to disagree, but do it with the respect of Christ.

Love in Christ
Billy

 

[kaylagrl]

Here is a clear and easy to follow primer on Replacement Theology. See if it sounds familiar.

The Error of Replacement Theology, by Clarence H. Wagner, Jr.

Thanks for posting!! Dangerous theology people are trying to teach.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think that you owe the above people an apology.

I have read the entire thread and find that they have presented thoroughly scriptural arguments. I have also read each verse that you have posted, and I find only one problem with them. When I put them to the contextual test for scripture, I find them insufficient to support your argument.

Of all the posts I have read on this site, I find many of yours the most obnoxious. Please feel free to disagree, but do it with the respect of Christ.

Love in Christ
Billy

lol. let her mark us, She condemns us for the very things she does. She is doing nothing but showing her true colors.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Thanks for posting!! Dangerous theology people are trying to teach.

Doctrine which, what a coincidence, feeds Satan's incessant hatred of the Jews and desire to destroy them. Step one is to invalidate, demean.

 

[kaylagrl]

I think that you owe the above people an apology.

I have read the entire thread and find that they have presented thoroughly scriptural arguments. I have also read each verse that you have posted, and I find only one problem with them. When I put them to the contextual test for scripture, I find them insufficient to support your argument.

Of all the posts I have read on this site, I find many of yours the most obnoxious. Please feel free to disagree, but do it with the respect of Christ.

Love in Christ
Billy

I don't speak to this person.She has pmed me with the same warnings.I dont know who she feels she is to warn and threaten others because they disagree with you.I have read what she has to say and disagree,simple as that.I have nothing personal against her,just disagree.She posts endless verses as proof of what she believes but she is taking them out of context.Anyway thank you for gently speaking to her.Hopefully she will understand.

 

[kaylagrl]

Doctrine which, what a coincidence, feeds Satan's incessant hatred of the Jews and desire to destroy them. Step one is to invalidate, demean.

Yes I totally agree with your assessment!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Doctrine which, what a coincidence, feeds Satan's incessant hatred of the Jews and desire to destroy them. Step one is to invalidate, demean.

its amazing how the so called church resembled the jews in so many ways.

1, the jews had an extreme hatred of gentiles, the church has an extreme hatred of jews
2. The jews thought they had to earn their way to heaven, the church thinks they have to earn their way to heaven
3. the jews set their high priest as equal to God, and made their own religion outside the word of God (rejecting it as sole authority) the church sets its high priests as equal to the word of God, Making its own religion outside the word of God (rejecting it as sole authority)
4. The jews thought they were Gods gift to mankind, failing to realise they were the gift given to God, the church thought it was Gods gift to mankind failing to realise it was Gods gift to Christ.

I can go on and on and on, but we see how manking makes the same mistakes over and over, and fail to even admit we are making the same mistake, while all the while judging severely those who made the same mistakes before them.

 

[SoulWeaver]

well he has yet to do that
He has yet to rule with a rod of Iron
He has yet to sit in jerusalem on a throne
He has yet to do all the things the OT prophets said he would
Davids throne was never in heaven, never will be

Jesus has fulfilled all the law and all the prophets and received the authority (BOTH the rod of iron and the gentle rod of a good Shepherd) and married Jerusalem, His lovely spotless Queen.
That dude that crossnote quoted claiming that the Almighty does NOT sit on the throne of David is robbing Jesus of His glory and teaching likewise to His sons and daughters. And Jesus will not give His glory to another. Again, God is eternal. He either sat on the throne of David from everlasting, or He doesn't sit there, ever. So which is it?

yeah, there will be disputes and battles and death in heaven!..lol How can you twist that away??

Because you guys refuse to stop for a moment and think about what I posted, just replying without understanding, this really begins to sound silly.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Job 23:7 There the righteous (=Savior) might dispute with him; so should I be delivered for ever from my judge.

I bless you in Jesus' name and hope your eyes will be opened.

 

[kaylagrl]

You can call me a space shuttle if you like but you do NOT have the authority to mark me. That is reserved for the Church.

Once again I say, I have been worked over by professionals, this is nothing.

Ive been throwed outta better places than this...Is that your saying? Lol Sounds like John Wayne.I may have to borrow this one lol lol lol!

 

[JesusIsAll]

Yes I totally agree with your assessment!!

Yes, I totally agree with my assessment, too! LOL! Actually, I've studied flavors of replacement theology, have little assessment my own, except to pick matching socks, perhaps, but replacement theology is quite devilish, something the likes of Augustine was big on in etiology, this for political reasons, but, anyway, such a lie. It negates Almighty God's clear, irrevocable promises to Israel! (By the way, folks, Israel is also back in the land, the Old Testament like a newspaper on this very real, national Israel matter God is not yet finished with, if you haven't heard... duh!)

 

[oyster67]

Sorry to interrupt here, but must publically apologize for misunderstanding and underestimating kaylagrl in the other (closed)thread. I have been taught some of the same things about the future of Israel as she, but never studied it over in close detail. I do not believe in Replacement Theology. I do believe that Israel will be saved in the end. It's just that I believed it would happen by their turning to Jesus. Can't imagine how else it could happen, but I will endeavor to read this monster 240+ post thread.

 

[Billyd]

lol. let her mark us, She condemns us for the very things she does. She is doing nothing but showing her true colors.

Sometimes, the old man in me comes out. I subscribe to the principle of disagreement of write my angry comment, cancel it, then disagree appropriately.

 

[SeaBass]

SeaBass

It is all about the Lord preserving a national people for His purposes

And He knows all things about every human

.... and the future believing remnant will also know what the Lord is doing and who they are

God's chosen now is Christians, no nations, no one else.

 

[SeaBass]

I think you need to think over your original statement.

Again, if the Jews had believed God they would have known that Christ was the Messiah and would have believed, yet they did not believe God and crucified the Messiah.

If they had believed the OT prophets of God, how could they not have known Jesus was the Messiah?

 

[Straightshot]

My comments:

Replacement theology is the vanguard of many divisions of professing Christianity

The purpose by the same is to create gainful priority ambition by claiming that each has some how become national Israel .... and they come with their own exclusive set dogmas for making themselves they only ones that have the truth .... all others are heretical

This behavior leads to "cult like" followings of the leaders of the same and the members are captured and told that if they break their relationship with the "cult" they are hell bound .... in other words it is the organization that saves them

The history of the professing church is loaded with these set-apart religious movements and they are still prevalent today

I will not name them ..... unless asked [e-mailing me would be best], but I can tell you that they dominate and there are large ones and smaller ones ..... the list is a long .... some very direct, and others more subtle

The Lord has a real problem with these movements because they contain the seeds of gross deception in conjunction with the off course ambitions of the leaders [wolves in sheep's clothing]

Here is what He says with regard for the like [Revelation 2:9; 3:9]

Professing Christianity is not the only theater .... anti-semitism is also prevalent in other forms .... the big one is Islam

But they all are doing the same thing in their own way