Gods Mercy,Why the Jews are Still Gods Chosen People

[JamesFlash]

Maybe, if this was a salvic thing, and we were talking about heaven. But we are not.

replacing says God will no longer fulfill his promise to a nation (even if they repent) he has replaced that eternal promise with the church (even though the church has not recieved the promise made to them.)

possibly the most unbiblical thing i've seen of late. total error.
but whatever. it's catching.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

huh? two separate groups? that's ridiculous.

no, two separate promises.

The church is a body, all the children of God, jew or gentile from adam until today

Israel is a nation. gicen specific promises, which still stand today. and ONLY for them.

 

[JamesFlash]

no, two separate promises.

The church is a body, all the children of God, jew or gentile from adam until today

Israel is a nation. gicen specific promises, which still stand today. and ONLY for them.

you sure can't show that from scripture. and it's a preposterous proposition.
God has one people from adam forward, and one people only.

but if dirt is important and nothing to do with salvation; God is sure killing alot of people Jesus died to save. to fulfill some promise you don't understand.

 

[JamesFlash]

no, two separate promises.

The church is a body, all the children of God, jew or gentile from adam until today

Israel is a nation. gicen specific promises, which still stand today. and ONLY for them.

make it up. make stuff up. it's on you.
your understanding is rubbish i'm afraid. i hope no one listnes to you.

 

[JamesFlash]

no, two separate promises.

The church is a body, all the children of God, jew or gentile from adam until today

Israel is a nation. gicen specific promises, which still stand today. and ONLY for them.

abraham will become a great nation was fulfilled in Egypt.

"I am God, the God of your father," he said. "Do not be afraid to go down to Egypt, for I will make you into a great nation there.

oh look. He's talking about quantity. and He did it.
next (fake) separate promise for some group that has has nothing to do with salvation?

 

[JamesFlash]

JimmieD my friend, the restoration (NKJV calls it that, KJV calls it restitution) occurs at the return...

Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Act 3:20 And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
Act 3:21 Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began. - KJV

Act 3:21 whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began. - NKJV

Christ returns and the restoration begins.

all mankind and God's plan of a new heaven and earth.
not some plan for Israel to have an earthly kingdom that isn't overlasting because there's been a 3200 year space of time without it.

and after your duplicate Armageddons and all that nonsense, the earthly kingdom is destroyed anyway.
your theology is bankrupt, it was never God's Plan. it's something jews; Herbert Armstrong and other nuts invented.

Christ comes to Judge and that's all folks.

 

[john832]

abraham will become a great nation was fulfilled in Egypt.

"I am God, the God of your father," he said. "Do not be afraid to go down to Egypt, for I will make you into a great nation there.

oh look. He's talking about quantity. and He did it.
next (fake) separate promise for some group that has has nothing to do with salvation?

Here we go again, someone without a clue.

 

[john832]

all mankind and God's plan of a new heaven and earth.
not some plan for Israel to have an earthly kingdom that isn't overlasting because there's been a 3200 year space of time without it.

and after your duplicate Armageddons and all that nonsense, the earthly kingdom is destroyed anyway.
your theology is bankrupt, it was never God's Plan. it's something jews; Herbert Armstrong and other nuts invented.

Christ comes to Judge and that's all folks.

Yep, that is what John says right here...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Oh wait, what do you mean He reigns for 1000 years? I thought He came to judge and that is all.

No clue.

 

[JamesFlash]

We will see how long it takes this thread to dissolve into mayhem.I dont know whether Ive been misunderstood or people just dont believe what God said about Israel. Ive been accused of being the devil over what I believe here and being an immature Christian or not one at all.So I will try to be clear here and maybe I can be restored the way Israel will be in the end.
To those who have called me all forms of evil,not a Christian and immature here is my background and where Im coming from so you can know I am a Christian even though I may not agree with your view of the Bible.I was raised in a Pentecostal church all my life I asked Jesus into my heard at 7yrs old.At around 10yrs I felt a calling on my life to maybe be a missionary.By 16yrs of age my family began travelling as a gospel group.I traveled to hundreds of chruches over 20yrs. We went to Baptist,Wesleyan,Pentecostal,Catholic,Nazarene and every church in between sharing the gospel through song.Ive heard more sermons then you can shake a stick at. Discussed with more pastors then most will ever meet.Am I bragging on myself? No,I like Paul,have no room to boast.Ive lost my way at times and certainly have done wrong.But to those who have defamed my character and called me both antiChrist and unchristian there is my background.Not to boast but for folks to understand where I come from.
Now I was raised very strictly by my parents on several things.One being that the Jews are Gods chosen people.To bless them is to be blessed and to curse them is to be cursed.Is Israel perfect in everything it does? No,none of us are perfect until we reach heaven.That being said Israel is not a terrorist country.I believe we should be very careful as to how we speak of Israel and the Jews.Dont think so?Look at all the countries that kicked out the Jews and how they were punished for it.Many of the countries dont even exist today.
Before I get blamed for a wall of text I will start with these Scriptures...


Gen 12 ...Now [SUP]a[/SUP]the LORD said to Abram, " [SUP]1[/SUP]Go forth from your country, And from your relatives And from your father's house, To the land which I will show you;And [SUP]a[/SUP]I will make you a great nation, And [SUP]b[/SUP]I will bless you, And make your name great; And so you shall be a blessing;And [SUP]a[/SUP]I will bless those who bless you, And the one who [SUP]1[/SUP]curses you I will [SUP]2[/SUP]curse. [SUP]b[/SUP]And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed."Abram passed through the land as far as the site of [SUP]a[/SUP]Shechem, to the [SUP]1[/SUP]oak of Moreh. Now the Canaanite was then in the land.The LORD [SUP]a[/SUP]appeared to Abram and said, " [SUP]b[/SUP]To your [SUP]1[/SUP]descendants I will give this land." So he built [SUP]c[/SUP]an altar there to the LORD who had appeared to him.


Gen 15...It came about when the sun had set, that it was very dark, and behold, there appeared a smoking oven and a flaming torch which [SUP]a[/SUP]passed between these pieces.On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, " [SUP]a[/SUP]To your [SUP]1[/SUP]descendants I have given this land, From [SUP]b[/SUP]the river of Egypt as far as the great river, the river Euphrates:[SUP]a[/SUP]the Kenite and the Kenizzite and the Kadmonite and the Hittite and the Perizzite and the Rephaim and the Amorite and the Canaanite and the Girgashite and the Jebusite."

Gen 17..."I will [SUP]1[/SUP]establish My [SUP]a[/SUP]covenant between Me and you, And I will [SUP]b[/SUP]multiply you exceedingly."Abram [SUP]a[/SUP]fell on his face, and God talked with him, saying,"As for Me, behold, My covenant is with you, And you will be the father of a [SUP]a[/SUP]multitude of nations."No longer shall your name be called [SUP]1[/SUP]Abram, But [SUP]a[/SUP]your name shall be [SUP]2[/SUP]Abraham; For [SUP]b[/SUP]I have made you the father of a multitude of nations."I will make you exceedingly fruitful, and I will make nations of you, and [SUP]a[/SUP]kings will come forth from you.
"I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your [SUP]1[/SUP]descendants after you throughout their generations for an [SUP]EVERLASTING[/SUP] covenant, [SUP]b[/SUP]to be God to you and [SUP]c[/SUP]to your [SUP]1[/SUP]descendants after you.
" [SUP]a[/SUP]I will give to you and to your [SUP]1[/SUP]descendants after you, the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and [SUP]b[/SUP]I will be their God."......
But God said, "No, but Sarah your wife will bear you [SUP]a[/SUP]a son, and you shall call his name [SUP]1[/SUP]Isaac; and [SUP]b[/SUP]I will establish My covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his [SUP]2[/SUP]descendants after him.
"As for Ishmael, I have heard you; behold, I will bless him, and [SUP]a[/SUP]will make him fruitful and will multiply him exceedingly. [SUP]b[/SUP]He shall [SUP]1[/SUP]become the father of twelve princes, and I will make him a [SUP]c[/SUP]great nation
But My covenant I will establish with Issac.

Here we see the beginning of Gods covenant with Abraham.And to the land and peoples of Israel.He said he would establish his covenant with Issac!! I will leave the post for now and continue a bit later to prove Israel is still under Gods covenant and the Jews his chosen people.I will not be answering anyone who name calls,is rude or tries to "rebuke" me because they disagree.If you disagree you disagree with Scripture not me. I'm quoting Gods Words not mine.So lets be Christlike in our discussion.Thank you all and have a blessed day.

the entire notion (foundation) for your beliefs is evil (false doctrine), and based thorughly on unbelief.
you dont know WHO God's people are. therefore he does not know you.
your god is an idol of your own making.

 

[JamesFlash]

Here we go again, someone without a clue.

ya ya. you live in the most ridiculous land of "bible prophecy" ever created by man.
total delusion. move on. your beliefs are no good to anyone who cares about what the Bible says.

 

[JamesFlash]

Yep, that is what John says right here...

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Oh wait, what do you mean He reigns for 1000 years? I thought He came to judge and that is all.

No clue.

you simply have no training; no idea of how to read that book. you wouldn't understand it if it was spoon fed to you, as i see some have kindly tried with you.

yet you wield like a prop REV for all your other errors. which are so far from the reality of what is written, it's sickening.

but enjoy your bubble.

 

[JamesFlash]

Israel is a family of people grown large. They have become several nations. The real problem seems to be that Israel is not the Jews and the Jews are not Israel. The first time the word "Jew(s)" occurs in the scripture is in II Kings 16:6 and the context here is that Israel is at war with the Jews.

Israel is...

Gen 48:16 The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

Ephraim and Manasseh.

The Jews (Judah) are a separate tribe and only one of 12 (13)...

Gen 49:8 Judah, thou art he whom thy brethren shall praise: thy hand shall be in the neck of thine enemies; thy father's children shall bow down before thee.
Gen 49:9 Judah is a lion's whelp: from the prey, my son, thou art gone up: he stooped down, he couched as a lion, and as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?
Gen 49:10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
Gen 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes:
Gen 49:12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

Whereas Ephraim and Manasseh (the two tribes that carried the name Israel forward) had these promises...

Gen 49:22 Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall:
Gen 49:23 The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him:
Gen 49:24 But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel
Gen 49:25 Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
Gen 49:26 The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.

Until one begins to understand that there were 12 (actually 13, Ephraim and Manasseh each received an inheritance in the land and were the sons of Jacob) tribes not just one known as the Jews (Judah), he cannot properly understand much of scripture.

oh i get it - British Israelism
you're dismissed. junk theology. may send you to hell.

 

[JamesFlash]

If the fleshly Hebrews are still God's chosen then all Gentiles are lost without any hope.

2) God's covenant with fleshly Israel was "everlasting" but was also conditional, that is, God would do His part but if Israel failed to keep their part of the covenant then God was no longer obligated to fulfill His part.

but you'll get "if God doesn't keep His promise to give an unbelieving group who hates Him a piece of dirt, how can we know He'll keep His promise to us (christians)".

proving the mind-blowing ignorance of who God made His promises to.

 

[JamesFlash]

1) If the fleshly Hebrews are still God's chosen then all Gentiles are lost without any hope.

2) God's covenant with fleshly Israel was "everlasting" but was also conditional, that is, God would do His part but if Israel failed to keep their part of the covenant then God was no longer obligated to fulfill His part.





Addedum:

Ex 19:5 "Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:"

Israel did not obey thereby did NOT fulfill their part of the covenant so God had no obligation to Israel to fulfill His part...God said "Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation." Ex 32:10. Again God has no obligation to Israel after Israel disobeyed and broke the covenant so God could have destroyed Israel and made of Moses a great nation.

pretty simple.

 

[Straightshot]

My comment


It appears that the flashman is a full preterist .... with an RP monkey .... all of them are the same

This is why he is badgering the posters above

.... and his junk is totally irrelevant to the Lord's prophetic Word

 

[eternally-gratefull]

abraham will become a great nation was fulfilled in Egypt.

"I am God, the God of your father," he said. "Do not be afraid to go down to Egypt, for I will make you into a great nation there.

oh look. He's talking about quantity. and He did it.
next (fake) separate promise for some group that has has nothing to do with salvation?

God also said after 400 years, They will be freed, and taken to the land God promised them,

And he said the land he gave was an eternal covenant, it was not a covenant whihc was conditional. God did not say, you do this, I will. God said I WILL.

Egypt was just part of the fulfillment.

 

[JamesFlash]

Why does that have to be the case? The Gentiles and Israel will be God's people in the Millennium so why must one exclude the other?

Snuck this in under the time limit...

Isa 19:24 In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:
Isa 19:25 Whom the LORD of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

another who can't read history. that was fulfilled about 650BC

 

[eternally-gratefull]

all mankind and God's plan of a new heaven and earth.
not some plan for Israel to have an earthly kingdom that isn't overlasting because there's been a 3200 year space of time without it.

and after your duplicate Armageddons and all that nonsense, the earthly kingdom is destroyed anyway.
your theology is bankrupt, it was never God's Plan. it's something jews; Herbert Armstrong and other nuts invented.

Christ comes to Judge and that's all folks.

You do not read much of the word do you? or do you read it with closed eyes?

If God does not keep his promise to them, then we have no hope of him keeping his promise to us either.

 

[JamesFlash]

God also said after 400 years, They will be freed, and taken to the land God promised them,

And he said the land he gave was an eternal covenant, it was not a covenant whihc was conditional. God did not say, you do this, I will. God said I WILL.

Egypt was just part of the fulfillment.

He also said the Mosaic Covenant was eternal.
are you living in a half world?

were the jews promised the new covenant?
does the new covenant promise dirt? or eternal slavation in a far better country?
don't bother answering.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you simply have no training; no idea of how to read that book. you wouldn't understand it if it was spoon fed to you, as i see some have kindly tried with you.

yet you wield like a prop REV for all your other errors. which are so far from the reality of what is written, it's sickening.

but enjoy your bubble.

dude, You have issues, Your not talking like a child of God, your talking like a proud arrogant pharisee, who thinks he knows it all. This is a bible discussion forum, not a lets tear down everyone who does not agree with us forum.

Do you want to discuss the word. or just judge?