Will Political Correctness Be our Downfall?

[maxwel]

I'm not setting up a straw man. I'm using an example of how someone can be certain that an extraordinary claim with out evidence can be rejected.

That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Speaking of a straw man.. I never said the universe created itself.. I never presented any theory.

I gave an answer, I said I don't know. I didn't make any claim whatsoever. All I did was try to explain in other terms why i reject your claims.

Atheists claim the universe came into being by itself,
but they give no proof of how this could ever, possibly, conceivably happen.

No matter how you try to explain it, it is self refuting by defying the laws of physics

YOU KNOW THIS.

That's why you won't discuss it.

You believe in your causality for the universe by faith... with no proof.
You have no proof.
Even the theories you "might" pose are all self refuting.

That's why you won't discuss it.
You know exactly what I'm talking about, and you refuse to discuss it because you have nothing.

YOU HAVE NO ANSWER FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

YOU TAKE YOUR WORLD VIEW ON FAITH.

THE ONLY WAY an atheist can pretend to be scientific, and correct, and superior,
is to REFUSE TO DISCUSS the FIRST CAUSE.

YOU CAN'T Discuss what you believe about first cause....
because there isn't any proof for it.
It's nothing but faith.

 

[Agricola]

It is called relationship, I have a living working two way relationship with Holy SPirit/Jesus /God. I have seen many miracles take place, most around healing, it is quite amusing to see atheists trying to explain away and come up with a solution as to what really happened, sometimes the conjecture is more bizarre and far fetched than just saying that it is God.

We are all spiritual beings, not physical, well we have physical bodies, but that is just the outer shell which is driven by our spirit and soul. The vast majority of people on this planet can sense this, that is why you have so many people going of to find themsleves, try and make sense of the purpose of life and trying to fill empty voids in life with just about everything, but failing to find a happiness and sense of contentment. Re-connecting ourselves to God through Jesus Christ is the only way that emptiness can be filled.

Chop of an arm, leg or all 4, person can still live, infact a person can still be alive with just the head functioning, but we can go further, remove all the bone, eyes, mouth toungue etc and you just have a skull with a brain, remove most of the brain , we can live without that, keep the tiny part of the brain alive and functioning, is that really us? seriously? All our feelings and emotion just result of a few neurons firing away to each other? Rubbish!

I know spiritual realm is real, I have experienced a few supernatural events, including a so called ghost that was active in my work place for a couple of months until i got rid of it by telling it to leave in name of Jesus.

I have no desire to debate you into believing, that would be stupid, as if you can debate people into accepting things as real, they can be debated out of it, however if someone believes and experiences something that is real, they can not be made to reject it, therefore no matter what you say, or how hard you try you will never make me change my mind as I genuinely do know that God is real.

 

[Straightshot]

Here is the truth about the agnostic .... there are no atheists


Romans
1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse


They know .... they just do not want to recognize the truth

We are all like this at the beginning of our journey

Remember what the Lord has said .... and this is a good thing to know because the agnostic is in a better position to become a believer than much of professing Christianity today .... those who think they are saved and are not


Revelation
3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.


I have had more success in witness to an agnostic than to one who has been indoctrinated into religious dogma

 

[ColinCat]

Atheists claim the universe came into being by itself,
but they give no proof of how this could ever, possibly, conceivably happen.

No matter how you try to explain it, it is self refuting by defying the laws of physics

YOU KNOW THIS.

That's why you won't discuss it.

You believe in your causality for the universe by faith... with no proof.
You have no proof.
Even the theories you "might" pose are all self refuting.

That's why you won't discuss it.
You know exactly what I'm talking about, and you refuse to discuss it because you have nothing.

YOU HAVE NO ANSWER FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE.

YOU TAKE YOUR WORLD VIEW ON FAITH.

THE ONLY WAY an atheist can pretend to be scientific, and correct, and superior,
is to REFUSE TO DISCUSS the FIRST CAUSE.

YOU CAN'T Discuss what you believe about first cause....
because there isn't any proof for it.
It's nothing but faith.

Maxwell. Discussing this with you is becoming increasingly frustrating.

Atheism doesn't present theories or make claims about the universe. All Atheism is is The rejection of the claim that Gods exist.

I repeat. atheism is the rejection of the claim that God's exist. It is nothing more. Please stop trying to change the definition of the word into what you think it should be.

I will also once again state that I made NO claim. I said I don't know.


I can't argue with you about this because the stances you say I have are not the stances I actually have.

You seem to be arguing with yourself and with a total disregard to what I'm actually saying.

 

[GracethroughfaithinChrist]

Is it not logical for both parties in a particular debate to gather as much evidence about the subject in question as possible? There have been many people who have been born into religious families that looked at the world around them and assumed that their parents and many others may have got it wrong when it came to God, me included. Some follow suit without questioning some don't. When it comes to God being the question of debate one needs to examine the evidence. I would challenge those who haven't read the Word to read it regardless if they consider themselves to be religious or not since this is the evidence in question. After a person has read the bible they can make a educated decision as to whether or not they will accept it. Without having examined the evidence personally that person is only accepting second hand interpretations about God regardless of their position.

 

[Straightshot]

"I repeat. atheism is the rejection of the claim that God's exist. It is nothing more."


The cat is right about this

And one of the things that I know about the position is this

Many stay in the position because they have had "religion" shoved down their throats and at the same time they view religion as hypocritical .... and for good reason ..... many who profess do not walk the talk

So do not be critical of the agnostic [atheist] .... no one else is any better .... and we have all been there at some time in our own life

 

[ColinCat]

"I repeat. atheism is the rejection of the claim that God's exist. It is nothing more."


The cat is right about this

And one of the things that I know about the position is this

Many stay in the position because they have had "religion" shoved down their throats and at the same time they view religion as hypocritical .... and for good reason ..... many who profess do not walk the talk

So do not be critical of the agnostic [atheist] .... no one else is any better .... and we have all been there at some time in our own life

It was never shoved down my throat. I don't believe because the claims are extraordinary. There's no way I can believe without evidence that dead people come back to life or a snake can talk or people eating a magic apple can cause the downfall of mankind or that people can turn into salt or Suns stand still in battle or that there are angels, demons and devils etc.

Those are claims that are simply unbelievable and i shouldn't have to explain to you why that is the case.

So that's why I don't believe. because of the sheer absurdity of the claims.

 

[Straightshot]

Only absurdity from your perspective .... yes?

Be honest .... most agnostics have an honest streak about them

Let me tell you something ..... I was a bigger agnostic that you are

Here is the thing

I can know what you cannot prove .... and you can not prove that what I believe is not true

So .... the divide

You want proof? .... or maybe you don't

I have the proof because I would not by in if I did not .... I am a bigger skeptic than you are

Could I demonstrate the proof to you? ..... I could, but not unless you are willing to consider it

I do not waste time on dead ended roads so I would have to know that you meant business

.... but that is up to you ..... just like things are up to me

 

[ColinCat]

Only absurdity from your perspective .... yes?

Be honest .... most agnostics have an honest streak about them

Let me tell you something ..... I was a bigger agnostic that you are

Here is the thing

I can know what you cannot prove .... and you can not prove that what I believe is not true

So .... the divide

You want proof? .... or maybe you don't

I have the proof because I would not by in if I did not .... I am a bigger skeptic than you are

Could I demonstrate the proof to you? ..... I could, but not unless you are willing to consider it

I do not waste time on dead ended roads so I would have to know that you meant business

.... but that is up to you ..... just like things are up to me

Evidence should be conclusive regardless of what someone wants to believe. I don't believe nor will ever believe my mother Is a drug dealer. But if I was presented with conclusive evidence, I would have to believe it regardless of my skeptisism.

Can you provide that conclusive evidence?

 

[Agricola]

It was never shoved down my throat. I don't believe because the claims are extraordinary. There's no way I can believe without evidence that dead people come back to life or a snake can talk or people eating a magic apple can cause the downfall of mankind or that people can turn into salt or Suns stand still in battle or that there are angels, demons and devils etc.

Those are claims that are simply unbelievable and i shouldn't have to explain to you why that is the case.

So that's why I don't believe. because of the sheer absurdity of the claims.

If you are so certain of this then why come on to a CHristian site? Is your it your goal to try and "convert" us and to cure us of delusion or whatever, or is it just a bit of fun that you can go back to athiest forum with to laugh and joke over?

 

[biscuit]

They claim a special right to their faith and culture and they claim it with a gun or a sword.

And while I wouldnt mourn the demise of christianity, i wouldn't want it at the hands of these muslim lunatics

You won't have much of a choice if the Christian scriptures are correct about the Tribulation Period. Once the Church is raptured the planet will be ruled by the Antichrist & False Prophet, thus following the doctrines of Satan.

What will Satan have in common with radical Islam? They both hate the Jews & Christians with passion. It would only be logical if the unholy trinity would appoint these radical Islamists to create genocide against the Father & Son chosen people.

Not only will Jews & Christians be slaughtered, so will gays and anyone who opposed them. These Islamic radicals will be the "enforcers" for the unholy trinity (Satan, Antichrist & False Prophet).

 

[ColinCat]

If you are so certain of this then why come on to a CHristian site? Is your it your goal to try and "convert" us and to cure us of delusion or whatever, or is it just a bit of fun that you can go back to athiest forum with to laugh and joke over?

None of the above. I enjoy the discussion.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

None of the above. I enjoy the discussion.

Colin, I know you won't admit it but if the above statement is true then I believe you are at least seeking the possibility of the existence of God. The fact is, anyone who has no interest in God would not frequent a Christian forum. I have to ask you why you "enjoy the discussion" relating to Christian topics. I'm not knocking this but welcoming it. I hope it will eventually lead you to Him. God bless you.

 

[JesusLives]

What I have learned so far from this thread. Major derail - o.k. - been there done that.....

Being PC is wrong.
Atheists believe there is no God.
Agnostics can be converted Atheists not so much.
Christians know God is real.
ColinCat enjoys the discussion.
Christians get frustrated because they can't convert ColinCat.

Blond watches in amusement but saddened by the unproductive debate.
This is definitely not politically correct.

 

[ColinCat]

And I'm a gentleman too! You forgot that bit

 

[JesusLives]

And I'm a gentleman too! You forgot that bit

Sorry my bad must have missed that one....

 

[Reborn]

Yes.
Great question. In todays world we, even some Christians, are all about the PC. PC and Christianity will never go together. Although Christmas does have some questionable roots, the nation of Islam (out of all religions) is not to be tolerated, humored, or bartered with. Is that hate or judging-to state that truth? Maybe so, in some peoples eyes, but if anyone does 5 minutes worth of homework-they'd see that Muslims have been persecuting, and killing Christians for hundreds of years. In fact- ALL religions/things/mammon that take away from Christ are evil---Jesus states this. So......I'm guessing Christ wasn't very PC when He was around?

 

[ColinCat]

Yes.
Great question. In todays world we, even some Christians, are all about the PC. PC and Christianity will never go together. Although Christmas does have some questionable roots, the nation of Islam (out of all religions) is not to be tolerated, humored, or bartered with. Is that hate or judging-to state that truth? Maybe so, in some peoples eyes, but if anyone does 5 minutes worth of homework-they'd see that Muslims have been persecuting, and killing Christians for hundreds of years. In fact- ALL religions/things/mammon that take away from Christ are evil---Jesus states this. So......I'm guessing Christ wasn't very PC when He was around?

Thanks reborn for getting it back on track.

There is no room for PC in the religious market. Surely it's all about how your God is the true one and all others are wrong. If I was religious i would do all I could to mock, belittle and ridicule people of other faiths. after all, they are all wrong.

PC has no place in religion.

 

[oyster67]

Yes.
Great question. In todays world we, even some Christians, are all about the PC. PC and Christianity will never go together. Although Christmas does have some questionable roots, the nation of Islam (out of all religions) is not to be tolerated, humored, or bartered with. Is that hate or judging-to state that truth? Maybe so, in some peoples eyes, but if anyone does 5 minutes worth of homework-they'd see that Muslims have been persecuting, and killing Christians for hundreds of years. In fact- ALL religions/things/mammon that take away from Christ are evil---Jesus states this. So......I'm guessing Christ wasn't very PC when He was around?

Just to be fair, "Christians" have done their fair share of killing also. Remember the Crusaders.

 

[Reborn]

It's not even the same ,my man....not even close. The fact that Muslims have the world fooled into believing they are a peaceful religion, saddens me even more. They claim only 25% of them are the extremists..that's 300 MILLION willing to kill for their beliefs!!! That's as much as the entire U.S. population! You see, The Beast of Revelations IS ISLAM! (I'm not so sure Christians are mentioned in another true Bible, of another true and only God, in their book of Revelations?) But Islam is in ours. Sorry..the truth is out there.