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dalconn
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So if salvation is being born-again of the Holy Spirit of God and someone thinks salvation can be lost, wouldn't it stand to reason that one would have to get unborn-again?
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JesusIsAll
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It would be great if CC software had some artificial intelligence, could prepend to threads, Reptitive OSAS Thread, or Repetitive Legal Apostasy Thread, or Not Sibling of Goliath Again, then the thread title. LOL!
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sealabeag
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We are always free; free to reject God's gift of life and grace, free to choose sin and hell, at any time in our lives.
As for the being "un-born again"; if I can commit physical suicide I can also commit spiritual suicide, i.e deciding I no long want to live the new life of Christ.
As for the being "un-born again"; if I can commit physical suicide I can also commit spiritual suicide, i.e deciding I no long want to live the new life of Christ.
No.......impossible to be un-born again........as what God does it is eternal....nothing added and nothing taken away and he does this that men may fear him.......Ecclesiastes 3.....
I have a son by birth...no matter what he does the fact that he is my son BY BIRTH will never change....he can make me mad, break our FELLOWSHIP which requires Discipline and LOVE to restore, but his SONSHIP never changed through out the whole process.....same is true of being born again of the spirit....you are SEALED by the H.S. in the hands of Christ and in the hand of the Father...That birth cannot ever change as it is ETERNAL.....
I have a son by birth...no matter what he does the fact that he is my son BY BIRTH will never change....he can make me mad, break our FELLOWSHIP which requires Discipline and LOVE to restore, but his SONSHIP never changed through out the whole process.....same is true of being born again of the spirit....you are SEALED by the H.S. in the hands of Christ and in the hand of the Father...That birth cannot ever change as it is ETERNAL.....
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There is no man that hath power over the spirit to retain the spirit;
neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war;
neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves
the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
neither hath he power in the day of death: and there is no discharge in that war;
neither shall wickedness deliver those that are given to it.
4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift,
and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves
the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
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kennethcadwell
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The Lord our God will never reject us, or turn away from us.
But we can in our actions turn away from Him. The bible has multiple warnings about returning to willful sin, falling away, and not continuing in His goodness. In each situation when somebody who once walked in the Truth ( which is Christ ) then returns to willful sin as in walking in the flesh/world instead of in the spirit. They have no salvation.
But we can in our actions turn away from Him. The bible has multiple warnings about returning to willful sin, falling away, and not continuing in His goodness. In each situation when somebody who once walked in the Truth ( which is Christ ) then returns to willful sin as in walking in the flesh/world instead of in the spirit. They have no salvation.
The arguments of being Unborn are all refuted by Adam. Adam was created in an eternal relationship with God.
Guess what, he fell from that relationship, he was unborn.
After Christ recreates the world through His Incarnation, death and resurrection, He is now able to give man eternal life.
However, man must take the initiative, of his own free will, to respond to God's call to come. When man answers in the affirmative, he reenters into a relationship with Christ through baptism. It is the ONLY way to get back into the relationship with God lost by Adam.
Now that you are in the same relationship as Adam was with God, did Adam fall? If you agree with scripture, then you can also fall from that relationship, in other words get unborn.
By the way, one can also get unborn physically, by suicide. Man can freely take both his physical life and spiritual life away.
Your theology is lacking reality and scriptural understanding.
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kennethcadwell
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You say my theology lacks reality and scriptural understanding, but my understanding comes from God through His words in the scripture. The scriptures make it very clear that one can not return to living in willful sin, turn to follow after a false gospel after walking in the truth, and still be saved. Have salvation in the Lord, for you can not serve Him and satan ( sin ) also.
So where is my lacking, unless you believe in one can not lose salvation false doctrine.
Lord our God will never turn His back on us, if we turn from Him but come back in repentance then He will accept us. If we never come back in repentance then you will still be lost. No salvation.
On the contrary. I was adding more understanding to what you stated. It is against those that have the idea that man's spiritual relationship cannot be unborn.
Adam earned for himself death, and earthly toil & trouble. he fell from the relationship with God that he once had, because of his transgression.
but does Adam have part in the resurrection? is his spirit eternally condemned & beyond redemption because he ate of the fruit?
i don't think we know that. i'm not convinced that Adam's story tells us that God's elect can lose their election, though it certainly should teach us that sin has both immediate and far-reaching consequences.
A sheep that runs away and lives for 5 years away from the flock without being caught is still the property of the owner and still the responsibility of the shepherd. Most shepherds will not be bothered enough to go looking for a single sheep that runs away, but of course the good perfect shepherd will strive to bring it back to the flock. We are the sheep and CHrist is the Perfect Good Shepherd, so we may run away, but once we are Christs, we will always remain so.
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kennethcadwell
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Ok, then I mistook what you said toward others to me.
The thing is that the punishment for Adam for his sin was to toil and work the land with hands to live in the flesh, and sin on all humanity was punished with physical death in the flesh do to his sin.
However Adam then continued to still follow God, and not turn completely from Him. Just because He sinned does not mean he lost his salvation all together, the point was shown that he continued to follow God. Being obedient after receiving his punishment for sin.
However if some one continues in their willful sin, and completely turns their back on the Lord our God then they have no salvation.
Not to mention a few things like...
1. Adam was not born again and fell spiritually
2. The grand plan of human redemption had just begun
3. No where does it say that ADAM lost his salvation as God covered Adam's sin and continued to FELLOWSHIP with Adam...
Just to name three!
All men will be resurrected because Christ defeated death for all men. That he was given eternal life, all indications that it is affirmative.
I don't know how election fits here since man is not saved by election. But man's purpose of existence was union with God in a synergistic relationship.
Adam destroyed the ability for God and man to be united in an eternal existence. When Christ recreated the world, gave God's creation life, an eternal existence again, man is again able to enter into a relationship with God. Believers are in the very same relationship, which is why when we enter it is called, re-generation, and we can certainly fall from that relationship by our own free will as did Adam.
Christ simply reversed the fall. Christ did not abolish the purpose of man's existence.
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