Proof for God: The 12 Stones of Revelation

[SoulWeaver]

[video=youtube;BrdCru5Q6lQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrdCru5Q6lQ[/video]

Proverbs 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
Funny that "daimons" didnt pass the test either.
Just thought it was an interesting research and wanted to share, it is not exactly for Bible discussion.

 

[Agricola]

For those who can not watch the video for whatever reason, here is a summary.

Precious stones and jewels under pure light change, anisotropic or Isotropic Diamonds and Rubys for exampleare Isotropic and loose all colour, they just look black or clear, where as Anisotropic change to amazing brilliant colours of the rainbow.

In Revelation chapter 21, John was given 12 stones which the new city would be built out of, all these 12 are Anisotropic, so under pure light of God lighting the new world, these gems will shine out in all the colours of the rainbow. This is something we have only discovered recently.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Agricola, thank you so much for summing this up so clearly and industriously when I did not get to the idea.

I'd also like to add this verse... pointing at the same designer...
Revelation 4:3 ...and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

 

[crossnote]

Sounds like a full and continuous display of unfolding kaleidoscopic colors.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Here are some better pictures with additional data:
There are about 28 or so precious and semi-precious stones in the world.
Of these 28, exactly the 12 (!) that Heavenly Jerusalem is built with and that represent the 12 tribes are anisotropic and reflect all the colors of the rainbow beautifully when pure light passes through them...

Interestingly, neither diamond, rubies or garnets are mentioned. Turns out, it’s because they are isotropic, when Pure light passes trough them, there is no beauty at all.

So the beauty of a stone is determined by the pure light...............
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

 

[psychomom]

normally, i don't spend a lot of time here, because, well...
news is so dreadfully depressing.

thanks, sis. this is amazing!

 

[psalm6819]

Agricola, thank you so much for summing this up so clearly and industriously when I did not get to the idea.

I'd also like to add this verse... pointing at the same designer...
Revelation 4:3 ...and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

and the rainbow God's promise of no more judgement...

 

[dcontroversal]

Awesome......post for sure and just goes to show how BRILLIANT GOD is hahah no pun intended

 

[SoulWeaver]

Got to share another pearl, which my friend noticed as we studied these stones yesterday. Proves further the divine inspiration and unity of the Bible. The Kingdom of God is preached through the 12 stones, so amazingly. I didnt find blog or such about this, so I'll just put it here shortly...

The LAST stone that is listed on the breastplate in the Old Testament is jasper, the stone of the tribe of Benjamin. Benjamin is the youngest son of Jacob.
So what happens with the youngest?

Matthew 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Luke 22:26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
Mark 10:31 But many that are first shall be last; and the last first.

And in the Heavenly City... what honor...!

Revelation 4:3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
Revelation 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone,...
Revelation 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Revelation 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;

These stones seem simple but they are a humongous study.

 

[elf3]

Hmm..."but the meek will inherit the land and enjoy great peace" Psalm 37:11

Hmm..."but I will leave within you the meek and humble, who trust in the name of the Lord." Zeph 3:12

Hmmm...."blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth." Mat 5:5

Diamond is the hardest gem the most expensive gem. Think about this...a diamond heart? Worth tons of money but hardened against the Holy Spirit? Hmmmm.........

 

[SarahM777]

and the rainbow God's promise of no more judgement...

The rainbow is NOT a sign of NO MORE judgement but that God would not judge the earth by worldwide flood again.

Genesis 9

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with every living creature that is with you, of the fowl, of the cattle, and of every beast of the earth with you; from all that go out of the ark, to every beast of the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I will establish my covenant with you, neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the bow shall be seen in the cloud:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And I will remember my covenant, which is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and the waters shall no more become a flood to destroy all flesh.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And the bow shall be in the cloud; and I will look upon it, that I may remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is upon the earth.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And God said unto Noah, This is the token of the covenant, which I have established between me and all flesh that is upon the earth.

 

[SoulWeaver]

The rainbow is NOT a sign of NO MORE judgement but that God would not judge the earth by worldwide flood again.

Yes, this is correct. I believe what psalm6819 was pointing at was that the rainbow in the new Jerusalem symbolized absence of judgment there or something to that effect, as rainbow was used in that kind of role in the OT.
Rainbow is also "round about the throne" in the Bible btw, which is scientifically impressive because we only see a bow but rainbow is actually a circle... possibly representing everlasting mercy or covenant of God.

 

[SarahM777]

Yes, this is correct. I believe what psalm6819 was pointing at was that the rainbow in the new Jerusalem symbolized absence of judgment there or something to that effect, as rainbow was used in that kind of role in the OT.
Rainbow is also "round about the throne" in the Bible btw, which is scientifically impressive because we only see a bow but rainbow is actually a circle... possibly representing everlasting mercy or covenant of God.

Remember when they wrote the scriptures there were NO CHAPTER or verse breaks. Revelation 5 is a continuation of chapter 4. so this is how it should actually read

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

John is given a vision of the throne in which the One sitting on the throne gives the lamb the book to open,breaking the seals which brings judgement. No where in Revelation does God judge the earth with a worldwide flood. I do agree it is a reminder of the covenant that God made with all flesh that He would not destroy the entire earth with a flood,but it is not saying that God will not by other methods and means.

 

[SoulWeaver]

John is given a vision of the throne in which the One sitting on the throne gives the lamb the book to open,breaking the seals which brings judgement. No where in Revelation does God judge the earth with a worldwide flood. I do agree it is a reminder of the covenant that God made with all flesh that He would not destroy the entire earth with a flood,but it is not saying that God will not by other methods and means.

No doubt... I dont think that is what was meant by the post though... rather the no judgment for those abiding in Christ:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
He does judge the world, but the saints in Heaven are pure so no judgment there.

 

[secularhermit]

[video=youtube;BrdCru5Q6lQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrdCru5Q6lQ[/video]

Proverbs 8:11 For wisdom is better than rubies; and all the things that may be desired are not to be compared to it.
Funny that "daimons" didnt pass the test either.
Just thought it was an interesting research and wanted to share, it is not exactly for Bible discussion.

Ufff!

I feel the same each time i read "daemons" on those progs coming with Linux.

Thanks!

I wish there were a buttom like "LIKE" where I could be notified someone, like you, wrote anything, because I don´t check the whole forums to see if someone added something new or if he/she said something he/she needed I see, without pressing the bottom like (Saying "LIKE" to say "I disagree", seems impolite to me, but each has his/her views and opinions).

 

[secularhermit]

Here are some better pictures with additional data:
There are about 28 or so precious and semi-precious stones in the world.
Of these 28, exactly the 12 (!) that Heavenly Jerusalem is built with and that represent the 12 tribes are anisotropic and reflect all the colors of the rainbow beautifully when pure light passes through them...

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So the beauty of a stone is determined by the pure light...............
1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

I wish I were, at least, cuarzo (What´s the English for it?) ja! ja!

 

[Lizathrose]

As a whole, this is an unconvincing, scientifically inaccurate video whose overall point relies on speculation. For starters, most minerals exhibit anisotropic properties (the 12 listed aren't particularly special in any regard), which lends credence to the possibility that the jewels listed in Revelation are merely a coincidence. There's also the fact that cross-polarized light, in reality, is nothing at all like what the individual in the video claims it to be. When you lay two polarized lenses on top of each other at a right angle, you get zero light through at all. Cross-polarized light, as it turns out, uses one such polarized filter atop another, but the second is polarized in circles. The first kind is called a "linear" polarizer. And, to boot, you'd have to be wearing polarizing sunglasses or be fitted with eyes that can supposedly see such light interacting with certain minerals. There's also the fact that it's implied that rubies don't exhibit birefringency in the video, which is false.

"Very straight light" or "pure light" are terms that would probably be scoffed at by gemologists in reference to the anisotropic properties of gemstones.

 

[SoulWeaver]

Oh, no doubt atheists will be attributing everything to coincidence... I am not by any means surprised by that.

 

[Lizathrose]

Oh, no doubt atheists will be attributing everything to coincidence... I am not by any means surprised by that.

It really isn't much of a stretch to assume that it is, in fact, a coincidence when taking into consideration the fact that -- as I've mentioned before -- most minerals exhibit anisotropic properties as opposed to "just" the twelve listed in Revelation. And, again, I'd like to point out the video's other flaws that clearly demonstrate David Pawson's provable, objective lack of scientific knowledge. He's building a house of cards on an unconvincing piece of speculation backed by incorrect science.

It's just a matter of fact-checking the assumptions as opposed to taking a man at his word alone. And, if you don't want to take my word for it, Christian apologists generally don't look favorably on Mr. Pawson's conjecture, either. Here's a link demonstrating that.

What do you think about David Pawson’s scientific evidence about the twelve kinds of jewels in heaven in Rev. 21? | Evidence for Christianity

 

[Tintin]

I don't know about David Pawson's understanding from a scientific perspective but he's very knowledgeable from a theological viewpoint (not that I agree with everything I've heard from him).