Cop Not Indicted

[pastac]

There's a lot that I like and respect about pastac. He's alright in my book. This is just one of those real life emotionally charged situations we're going to disagree on (for now as who knows about the future).

For my part, I'll keep it focused on the argument. Peace.

I return the sentiments ageofknowlege just wait for all the facts as we only have some of them the rest conveniently were not taken into account. Adamantly so this kid made tragic errors in judgment no doubt but he was unarmed and this was a trained officer of the law. I defend only the position of the killings of young black males is tragic as it is for any person killed. Race is the issue and injustice that picture is clear. I'm in agreement with the wrong on all parts but my goodness a generation of youth is being jailed or killed in front of our eyes and the grand jury is not so grand unless you consider all facts. And the fact is a9 whites three blacks seems like inequality to me discussing race facts.
pastac

 

[pastac]

Lol @ pastac. The Grand Jury examined all the evidence including testimony from all known witnesses and determined that there was NOT enough probable cause to indict police Officer Darren Wilson.

And "Big Mike" that gang associated strong arm robber certainly was an adult male. I have zero sympathy for this fabricated false Michael Brown the unarmed child narrative.

He was an adult. When I was his age, I was in the U.S. military endowed with adult responsibilities that included landing multi-million dollar aircraft, working with sensitive radio communications, standing military security watches, casting my ballot as an adult, etc..

And I always check the facts. What they tell me is that black males commit a great deal of crime, especially violent crime, that far exceeds their per capita percentage of the general population.

Though black Americans only represent 13.2% of the U.S. population, According to the US Department of Justice, blacks accounted for 52.5% of homicide offenders from 1980 to 2008 for example.

Don't choose to engage in criminal behavior and violently assault police officers and you won't have "Big Mike" the gang associated strong arm robber's problems.

another black man child boy whatever you classify them as will be killed in the us today just as they are every 36 hours by police check that fact
peace
pastac

 

[Brainfreeze]

"Included in the grand jury material released tonight after the announcement that no charges would be filed in the Michael Brown killing is a handwritten witness account stating that the teenager charged at Officer Darren Wilson 'like a football player. Head down.'

The unidentified witness wrote that the 18-year-old Brown 'has his arms out with attitude,' while 'The cop just stood there.' The witness added, 'Dang if that kid didn’t start running right at the cop like a football player. Head down.'

The witness told of hearing '3 bangs,' but 'the big kid wouldn’t stop.' The witness’s account of the unarmed Brown charging Wilson--even after he had been shot in the hand during a struggle at the cop’s patrol car--supports the officer’s contention that he fired a series of shots as Brown bore down on him." -The Smoking Gun

Ferguson Witnesss Told Investigators That Michael Brown Charged Cop "Like a Football Player. Head Down" | The Smoking Gun

"Big Mike," an adult and gang associate, violently assaulted a police officer and went for his gun who was trying to get him to leave the middle of the road where he was holding up traffic after committing a strong-arm robbery.

There are consequences to engaging in criminal behavior. There are consequences to committing a felonious assault (and possible attempted murder) on a police officer. One of those is that you very well might end up dead as the police officer defends himself and the society he's sworn to protect.

"Big Mike" was not a kid, he was an adult. And as an adult, "Big Mike" was 100% entirely responsible for his own behavioral choices. He reaped what he sowed and though it's not popular to say this, the world is a safer and better place.

Certainly police corruption needs to be ferreted out and removed; however, this has NOTHING to do with that but rather is a simple case of a police officer lawfully defending himself against a large adult assailant. Thank you Officer Wilson for having the courage and competency to defend yourself and fulfill your oath to protect society from dangerous criminals such as "Big Mike."

I'll take one of these:

Does these pictures mean he was supposed to die though ? I guess the old pictures with me surrounded in shoe boxes of money, and guns bigger then little bow wow.. would put me at getting shot 20x ? His actions at that moment is what led to this, nothing else.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"Wilson told the grand jury that he initially encountered Brown and a friend walking in a street and told them to move to the sidewalk, drawing an expletive from Brown.

Wilson said he noticed that Brown had a handful of cigars, 'and that's when it clicked for me' that the men were suspects in the theft of a convenience store reported minutes earlier.

Wilson said he asked a dispatcher to send additional officers, then backed his vehicle in front of Brown and his friend.
As he tried to open the door, Wilson said, Brown slammed it back shut. Wilson said he pushed Brown with the door and Brown hit him in the face. Wilson told grand jurors he was thinking: 'What do I do not to get beaten inside my car?'

Wilson said he drew his gun and threatened to shoot if Brown didn't move back, fearing another punch to the face could 'knock me out or worse'.

'He immediately grabs my gun and says, ''You are too much of a p***y to shoot me'',' Wilson said, saying he thought he would be shot when Brown dug the gun into the officer's hip."

Grand jury evidence reveals Michael Brown taunted Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson | Daily Mail Online

 

[kennethcadwell]

Does these pictures mean he was supposed to die though ? I guess the old pictures with me surrounded in shoe boxes of money, and guns bigger then little bow wow.. would put me at getting shot 20x ? His actions at that moment is what led to this, nothing else.

Look at my post #40, the second picture is not of Mike Brown....

 

[kennethcadwell]

"Wilson told the grand jury that he initially encountered Brown and a friend walking in a street and told them to move to the sidewalk, drawing an expletive from Brown.

Wilson said he noticed that Brown had a handful of cigars, 'and that's when it clicked for me' that the men were suspects in the theft of a convenience store reported minutes earlier.

Wilson said he asked a dispatcher to send additional officers, then backed his vehicle in front of Brown and his friend.
As he tried to open the door, Wilson said, Brown slammed it back shut. Wilson said he pushed Brown with the door and Brown hit him in the face. Wilson told grand jurors he was thinking: 'What do I do not to get beaten inside my car?'

Wilson said he drew his gun and threatened to shoot if Brown didn't move back, fearing another punch to the face could 'knock me out or worse'.

'He immediately grabs my gun and says, ''You are too much of a p***y to shoot me'',' Wilson said, saying he thought he would be shot when Brown dug the gun into the officer's hip."

Grand jury evidence reveals Michael Brown taunted Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson | Daily Mail Online

All you say is true here, from Wilson's testimony.
There however is two sides of the story, and I would like to see them talk about what the witnesses had to say in their testimonies. Plus there still is the missing video's that has not been talked about, and the big discussion on why Wilson was not cross examined by the prosecutor to see if his testimony would hold up.
They said the prosecutor never really questioned him.

 

[Anonimous]

too ate... furguson is on fire.

 

[Brainfreeze]

You need to recheck your sources.
The second picture you posted is not of Mike Brown. It was a false picture of another black male from Kansas City, the police officer that posted that pic was on the KC police force and was put on suspension for posting that false pic.

Yea, interesting the stretch they will go, ... If the cop was justified, he was justified ...

 

[PennEd]

The most sickening, Ironic, TWEETS I think I have ever seen:

Planned Parenthood Condemns Ferguson Decision, “Black Lives Matter”… | Weasel Zippers

These are the same people that have slaughtered MILLIONS of black babies.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Character evidence (e.g. a person's past and present behavior) is useful in helping to determine if a person acted in a particular way on a particular occasion.

The character evidence for 6' 5" 289 lb "Big Mike," the gang associate with a juvenile criminal record who had just engaged in strong arm robbery, lends credence to Officer Wilson's testimony that "Big Mike" punched him in the face and went for his gun.

Note that if you're a 6' 5" 289 lb gang associate with a record who just committed a strong arm robbery who punches a police officer in the face and goes for his (or her) gun, you stand a good chance of being killed afterwards as the officer moves to defend themselves (and indirectly society from such a person) with fully justified deadly force.

Does these pictures mean he was supposed to die though ? I guess the old pictures with me surrounded in shoe boxes of money, and guns bigger then little bow wow.. would put me at getting shot 20x ? His actions at that moment is what led to this, nothing else.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Acknowledged. Thank you.

Look at my post #40, the second picture is not of Mike Brown....

 

[PennEd]

another black man child boy whatever you classify them as will be killed in the us today just as they are every 36 hours by police check that fact
peace
pastac

I checked the "facts" as best as they were available.

Over 400 people are killed each year by police officers on duty. About 96 (less than 25%) are black. Even though blacks are only 12% of the pop. they commit over 52% of murders each year. Bearing this in mind the argument can be made that police show MORE restraint against blacks than whites.

Please feel free to check those facts.

 

[Brainfreeze]

Character evidence (e.g. a person's past and present behavior) is useful in helping to determine if a person acted in a particular way on a particular occasion.

The character evidence for 6' 5" 289 lb "Big Mike," the gang associate with a juvenile criminal record who had just engaged in strong arm robbery, lends credence to Officer Wilson's testimony that "Big Mike" punched him in the face and went for his gun.

Note that if you're a 6' 5" 289 lb gang associate with a record who just committed a strong arm robbery who punches a police officer in the face and goes for his (or her) gun, you stand a good chance of being killed afterwards as the officer moves to defend themselves (and indirectly society from such a person) with fully justified deadly force.

I know some good dudes in a screwed up world. The fight isn't against Mr. Mike here pal, it's against what's in Mike at the moment. Yes, his actions at that moment cost him his life, he did things you aren't supposed to do with cops, and he talked how you shouldn't talked to cops, but personally I think head shots belong to guys with weapons. This guy was still a kid, he was just a rebellious teen not taking things seriously. Two, three years in the clinker would've calmed him down a bit. This cops life will never be the same either though, I'm sure.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Black lives matter. I couldn't agree more. Which is why it's the definition of hypocrisy for an industry involved in the wholesale murder of black babies to tweet such a thing.

And living in Los Angeles right through the 80's and 90's, I observed their violent carnage first hand. They were and remain their own worst enemy.

The state of the modern liberal ideologically driven fatherless black family and the enormous amount of black on black violence (and to a lesser extent black on everyone else violence) the product of these "homes" (if you want to call them that) produces is completely ignored.

If you care enough about black people, black families, black children, and black societies to bring it up, there's a high probability you'll be branded a "racist" for doing so.

You're just supposed to condemn a white police officer (who defended himself) and a half Hispanic-half Jewish neighborhood watch idiot (who was overly assertive in following someone) while ignoring the real problem which is that a material number of black families and a great deal of black culture are badly dysfunctional and producing dysfunctional people who are choosing to not work hard, live a moral life, and become a functional member of society.

I speak in general terms, of course, as there are many exceptions and I'm blessed to know a few of them who I call friends.

The most sickening, Ironic, TWEETS I think I have ever seen:

Planned Parenthood Condemns Ferguson Decision, “Black Lives Matter”… | Weasel Zippers

These are the same people that have slaughtered MILLIONS of black babies.

 

[crossnote]

another black man child boy whatever you classify them as will be killed in the us today just as they are every 36 hours by police check that fact
peace
pastac

and more blacks are killed by other blacks than any other group.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

A 6' 5" 289 lb adult male punched a police officer in the face and went for his gun shortly after committing a strong arm robbery. The correct number of times this should be allowed to occur before it's OK for a police officer to defend themselves is one (e.g. the lowest cardinal number; half of two; 1).

I know some good dudes in a screwed up world. The fight isn't against Mr. Mike here pal, it's against what's in Mike at the moment. Yes, his actions at that moment cost him his life, he did things you aren't supposed to do with cops, and he talked how you shouldn't talked to cops, but personally I think head shots belong to guys with weapons. This guy was still a kid, he was just a rebellious teen not taking things seriously. Two, three years in the clinker would've calmed him down a bit. This cops life will never be the same either though, I'm sure.

 

[dcontroversal]

I've been in both L.A. riots plus the ELA riots...this won't be the only night...pray it doesn't spread to other parts.

I will lay odds it gets worse......

 

[Brainfreeze]

A 6' 5" 289 lb adult male punched a police officer in the face and went for his gun shortly after committing a strong arm robbery. The correct number of times this should be allowed to occur before it's OK for a police officer to defend themselves is one (e.g. the lowest cardinal number; half of two; 1).

I've seen guys that big, get laid out in one punch maybe weighing a buck fifty... The cop was intimidated by his size, understandable, but he got the ups on the kid, " gun drawn ", his training should have gave him the right shots for that incident, I'm pretty sure head shots " weren't by the book " but the cop did what he felt he had to do to protect his life, I'm ok with that. I personally would've shot at his knees to buckle him, he keeps coming then shoulder joints.. I run out by the time he gets to me, " no more gun ", and I can't handle tussling with a guy, with 8, 10 bullets in him till back up arrives... I shouldn't be a cop, period

 

[Oncefallen]

This guy was still a kid, he was just a rebellious teen not taking things seriously. Two, three years in the clinker would've calmed him down a bit. This cops life will never be the same either though, I'm sure.

Statistics are against you on this one. Statistically younger offenders who end up in prison end up joining prison gangs for protection and come out more hardened criminals than they were when they first went in.

 

[blue_ladybug]

The most sickening, Ironic, TWEETS I think I have ever seen:

Planned Parenthood Condemns Ferguson Decision, “Black Lives Matter”… | Weasel Zippers

These are the same people that have slaughtered MILLIONS of black babies.

ALL LIVES MATTER!! Whether black, white, red or purple.. But when it comes to the po-po, they're all the same racist pigs. A crime gets committed, if it's an unknown perp, automatically they assume it must have been committed by a BLACK dude.. like people of other colors don't commit crimes, also? what the... ??