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[Bookends]

Do you want to have temple worship again, bull and animal sacrifices? Do you want to resurrect the old system of shadows? This is trampling on the blood of Christ.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Do you want to have temple worship again, bull and animal sacrifices? Do you want to resurrect the old system of shadows? This is trampling on the blood of Christ.

You mean as in the millennial temple of Ezekiel 40-48?

 

[Bookends]

Question: "What is the Great Tribulation?"

Answer: The Tribulation is a future time period when the Lord will accomplish at least two aspects of His plan: 1) He will complete His discipline of the nation Israel (Daniel 9:24), and 2) He will judge the unbelieving, godless inhabitants of the earth (Revelation 6 - 18). The length of the Tribulation is seven years. This is determined by an understanding of the seventy weeks of Daniel (Daniel 9:24-27; also see the article on the Tribulation). The Great Tribulation is the last half of the Tribulation period, three and one-half years in length. It is distinguished from the Tribulation period because the Beast, or Antichrist, will be revealed, and the wrath of God will greatly intensify during this time. Thus, it is important at this point to emphasize that the Tribulation and the Great Tribulation are not synonymous terms. Within eschatology (the study of future things), the Tribulation refers to the full seven-year period while the “Great Tribulation” refers to the second half of the Tribulation.

It is Christ Himself who used the phrase "Great Tribulation" with reference to the last half of the Tribulation. In Matthew 24:21, Jesus says, "For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall." In this verse Jesus is referring to the event of Matthew 24:15, which describes the revealing of the abomination of desolation, the man also known as the Antichrist. Also, Jesus in Matthew 24:29-30 states, “Immediately after the tribulation of those days . . . the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory." In this passage, Jesus defines the Great Tribulation (v.21) as beginning with the revealing of the abomination of desolation (v.15) and ending with Christ's second coming (v.30).

Other passages that refer to the Great Tribulation are Daniel 12:1b, which says, "And there will be a time of distress such as never occurred since there was a nation until that time." It seems that Jesus was quoting this verse when He spoke the words recorded in Matthew 24:21. Also referring to the Great Tribulation is Jeremiah 30:7, "Alas! for that day is great, There is none like it; And it is the time of Jacob’s distress, But he will be saved from it." The phrase “Jacob’s distress” refers to the nation of Israel, which will experience persecution and natural disasters such as have never before been seen.

Considering the information Christ gave us in Matthew 24:15-30, it is easy to conclude that the beginning of the Great Tribulation has much to do with the abomination of desolation, an action of the Antichrist. In Daniel 9:26-27, we find that this man will make a "covenant" (a peace pact) with the world for seven years (one “week”; again, see the article on the Tribulation). Halfway through the seven-year period—"in the middle of the week"—we are told this man will break the covenant he made, stopping sacrifice and grain offering, which specifically refers to his actions in the rebuilt temple of the future. Revelation 13:1-10 gives even more detail concerning the Beast's actions, and just as important, it also verifies the length of time he will be in power. Revelation 13:5 says he will be in power for 42 months, which is three and one-half years, the length of the Great Tribulation.

Revelation offers us the most information about the Great Tribulation. From Revelation 13 when the Beast is revealed until Christ returns in Revelation 19, we are given a picture of God's wrath on the earth because of unbelief and rebellion (Revelation 16-18). It is also a picture of how God disciplines and at the same time protects His people Israel (Revelation 14:1-5) until He keeps His promise to Israel by establishing an earthly kingdom (Revelation 20:4-6).

Recommended Resources: Understanding End Times Prophecy by Paul Benware and Logos Bible Software.




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I'm not interested in a copy and paste of someone's interpretation of scripture. I want a one on one, scripture to scripture, dialog with you. If your mind is already made up, that the bible, the NT, teaches a specific tribulation for our day, then perhaps our dialoguing is in vain....you show me the scripture that backs up a specific GT for our day.

 

[Bookends]

You mean as in the millennial temple of Ezekiel 40-48?

Millennial temple?, I see post-Babylonian temple described here...Why does mainstream Christianity skip over the second temple?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Millennial temple?, I see post-Babylonian temple described here...Why does mainstream Christianity skip over the second temple?

Please check your vision equipment, and try your answer again. You have two more tries.

 

[Bookends]

Jillyanne, may I ask you a question. Apparently you think Matt. 24 is for our future...If it's for our future, my question is, why did Jesus tell us to pray that our flight would not be on a Sabbath? It's a simple question.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Millennial temple?, I see post-Babylonian temple described here...Why does mainstream Christianity skip over the second temple?

We don't, the problem is you must take the dimensions given for the temple in Ezekiel and look at the dimension for both the first and second temple. Ezekiel's temple dimensions do not match either one of those temples.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I believe tribulation comes and goes for all Christians...an ebb and flow in worldly morality. I don't a "special" or specific tribulation in our age, just a general one.

Yet Jesus spoke of a time of great tribulation, which shall be on the whole world. which shall be like no other, so severe in fact, If he did not return, no flesh would survive.

How do we discount this?

 

[JesusIsAll]

We don't, the problem is you must take the dimensions given for the temple in Ezekiel and look at the dimension for both the first and second temple. Ezekiel's temple dimensions do not match either one of those temples.

The river of living water flowing out of it and making the Dead Sea sweet also poses a slight impediment to it being your Daddy's temple.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God says it, I'm just repeating what he said...He said IF YOU REPENT>>>IF is a condition.

True, and that is a condition Do you think if they do this he will restore them as promised? or is it to late even if they repent?

Then I go to what the OT prophets say,

They will repent.

Paul says they are blinded in part, UNTIL the time of the gentile is complete. then ALL will be saved. To be saved takes repentance does it not?

 

[Jillyanne]

Sorry. Must not have hit the reply on your post, that was for you

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It was God's plan all along, yes...but it wasn't visible until Jesus revealed it to His disciples...Paul explains this in Eph. 3

5 which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:

It has always been his plan, and it always was known. David understood it, Daniel understood it, as did many OT saints. Jonah found out about it with ninivah. A gentile nation which did not follow jewish law or religion, yet were saved.

they mystery was messiah would come first to die. The OT prophets did not say messiah would die, it said he would set up his kingdom which shall never be defeated, and bring peace to the earth.

That was the mystery.

 

[Bookends]

john is merely identifying with us in our tribulations not THE tribulation, at that point He is getting ready to address the churches from my understanding

In John's open to Revelation, he tells us that who reads this book they will be bless because these things are at hand, soon to take place..

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants—things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, to all things that he saw. 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the time is near.

What a dis-service to the first century Christians reading this, for according to you it was a waist of time for them (if it was meant for us, then why would John deceive his early Christians readers? is saying the time is near, these things will shortly take place?). For if John wasn't talking to them (1st century Christians) directly, but 21st century Christians or beyond, Why would they need to know this? They are dead and gone. If it wasn't for them, he should have made it clear it was for us 2000+ years later.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Do you want to have temple worship again, bull and animal sacrifices? Do you want to resurrect the old system of shadows? This is trampling on the blood of Christ.

why would we? That is not the issue

Israel is still in sin when the temple is rebuilt. their repentance is not prophesied until after this occures. After the abomination which causes tribulation. After tribulation or jacobs trouble. which CAUSES their repentance.

After the repent, they will not want sacrifice and burnt offering. so not sure what your worried about. Salvation has always been of faith, Never by sacrifice and burnt offering.

 

[Bookends]

We don't, the problem is you must take the dimensions given for the temple in Ezekiel and look at the dimension for both the first and second temple. Ezekiel's temple dimensions do not match either one of those temples.

Perhaps they didn't obey in building it right, or perhaps there is a problem in interpreting the data. I'll get back with you on that... I believe you have a valid question or point.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jillyanne, may I ask you a question. Apparently you think Matt. 24 is for our future...If it's for our future, my question is, why did Jesus tell us to pray that our flight would not be on a Sabbath? It's a simple question.

Matt 24 is for our future.

Unless you think Christ has already returned because things got so bad on earth that all flesh were about to be killed off.

 

[Bookends]

Please check your vision equipment, and try your answer again. You have two more tries.

oh, you mean I need to put on my 21 century glasses and interpret scripture through them. I get it .

 

[kennethcadwell]

Perhaps they didn't obey in building it right, or perhaps there is a problem in interpreting the data. I'll get back with you on that... I believe you have a valid question or point.

Looking into things, and studying them is the way to go.
I have already looked into it, and why most mainstream biblical prophecy scholars have said for years this is either a third temple or even a forth temple. Most though do have it as a millennial temple, that Revelation shows Jesus reigning from during His 1,000 year reign on earth. Plus Revelation 11 shows the two witnesses standing in front of a temple while they prophecy during the tribulation.

 

[JesusIsAll]

oh, you mean I need to put on my 21 century glasses and interpret scripture through them. I get it .

Being very practical and egalitarian, as well as uncritical of anything which yields positive results, your choice of eye wear isn't an issue, at least up to the point of your seeing two temples.

 

[Bookends]

Matt 24 is for our future.

Unless you think Christ has already returned because things got so bad on earth that all flesh were about to be killed off.

EG, I love you bro...You and I have been down this road before. Let me talk directly with others please....if you interpret Jesus's return in Matt. 24 as a physical manifestation, then you must treat all the other comings of God as physical comings as well.

This describes Jesus' coming in judgment against Jerusalem. God uses the same language in the OT regarding His judgment to Israel and other nations in the same manner, including such language as "the moon and sun darkening, "stars falling" and "I will come down", it's called judgment language or de-creation language.