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Straightshot said:
show me the scripture please. Jesus speaks of a great tribulation, but that was for His generation...Matt. 24 doesn't state that no flesh would survive. Jesus is talking about the destruction of the Jewish nation


I see just another branded replacement/preterist is here

One can spot them from 10 miles out

The scoffers are present in droves today and multiplying

This is a good sign for the Lord's true ecclesia .... it means that He is at the door
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If you must call me a preterist, so be it. The real replacement theology is dispensationalism, they say the Church is not God's eternal purpose, but the Jews. Dispensationalism replaces the church, Jesus' temple, His bride, the new man with an earthly Israel. My view is that the Church is a continuation of the true Israel...Who are true Israel? Those who have a contrite heart for God and trust in His Son's atonement. God always had one group of people, those who trust and obey Him.
 
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Straightshot said:
show me the scripture please. Jesus speaks of a great tribulation, but that was for His generation...Matt. 24 doesn't state that no flesh would survive. Jesus is talking about the destruction of the Jewish nation


I see just another branded replacement/preterist is here

One can spot them from 10 miles out

The scoffers are present in droves today and multiplying

This is a good sign for the Lord's true ecclesia .... it means that He is at the door
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Try Isaiah. it will be helpful and yes there will be people that live in these flesh bodies during the the reign of Christ, they will be given 100 years to accept Him as God is merciful. But at the end of the 1,000 year reign, satan will be loosed from the pit and will tempt man again. As God is righteous, so that no man can point the finger at Him and say that we were tempted but these were not and they will rise an army against Him and Jesus will make a short work and finally throw satan in the lake of fire. After that we are not told.
 
Straightshot said:
show me the scripture please. Jesus speaks of a great tribulation, but that was for His generation...Matt. 24 doesn't state that no flesh would survive. Jesus is talking about the destruction of the Jewish nation


I see just another branded replacement/preterist is here

One can spot them from 10 miles out

The scoffers are present in droves today and multiplying

This is a good sign for the Lord's true ecclesia .... it means that He is at the door
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He holds the correct gospel bro. Do not judge him. Lets not act like alot of them do. He is not like that
 
Bookends said:
Wow, the fall of the King of Tyre is the fall of Lucifer. Lucifer means morning star, here it is used for an earthly king, while revelations uses it in reference to our heavenly king, it just a way of describing royalty. No where does it say Lucifer is like this king, nor the the bible ever call Satan "Lucifer". But again, your jumping subjects.
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I was not jumping subjects.
I was showing how the bible constantly uses symbolism to show situations, especially in prophetic books such as Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah, and Revelation.
Lucifer was a guardian cherubim angel who fell from heaven do to pride, the king of Tyre also fell do to pride. This was a comparison. When Lucifer fell the light of the morning star was no longer in him, becoming what we know as the serpent of old, Satan, or if you like a demon.
( 2 Corinthians 11:14 , And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. )


No king that has come, has stood in the temple claiming to be God. Not even in 70 AD.

 
Bookends said:
If you must call me a preterist, so be it. The real replacement theology is dispensationalism, they say the Church is not God's eternal purpose, but the Jews. Dispensationalism replaces the church, Jesus' temple, His bride, the new man with an earthly Israel. My view is that the Church is a continuation of the true Israel...Who are true Israel? Those who have a contrite heart for God and trust in His Son's atonement. God always had one group of people, those who trust and obey Him.
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not all dispensationalists do not say this. It just says God uses different people to be representatives of his church.

It has always been that way.
 
The 144,000 thousand pertains to the present day Jews which most are atheist.
 
eternally-gratefull said:

Yes, and it always has been, as I said we agree.

But things happen between his second coming, and that final ressurection.

Why? I am not going to say I know. Just know God said it will happen. so I am not going to question him
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Jesus speaks of as if it is one event, not two or three. Don't add things that aren't there bro.
 
Kerry said:
The 144,000 thousand pertains to the present day Jews which most are atheist.
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If this is true, then they can't be "virgins" meaning pure...Jesus makes us pure as vigins when we put our trust and faith in him...He cleanses us white as snow. The 144,000 virgins doesn't mean sexual virgins, it means these people didn't worship other gods but the one true God....so they can't be atheists.
 
Bookends said:
Jesus speaks of as if it is one event, not two or three. Don't add things that aren't there bro.
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the mystery

God speaks of it as two events.

one event is the suffering servant, who dies for his people

the other is king messiah who rules with a rod of iron, and ALL nations worship him.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
not all dispensationalists do not say this. It just says God uses different people to be representatives of his church.

It has always been that way.
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There is no other plan of God but for all to come to the full knowledge of our Lord and Savior. There is no difference between Jew and gentile....you know this...
 
Bookends said:
There is no other plan of God but for all to come to the full knowledge of our Lord and Savior. There is no difference between Jew and gentile....you know this...
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I know as far as salvation.

But God made promises to jews he did not make to gentiles or the church. And it is part of his plan. Romans 9 - 11 is a great showing of Gods plan through the ages.

It has always been Gods plan to Use Israel to prove to all nations he is the one true God. Due to Israels sin, he has not been able to do this. But he will fulfill his plan.

Why Israel? I do not know. I will ask him when I get there.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
the mystery

God speaks of it as two events.

one event is the suffering servant, who dies for his people

the other is king messiah who rules with a rod of iron, and ALL nations worship him.
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Jesus is ruling now...He is the head of the church. He rules us! Even when a King rules, you have people rebel and at opposition. Jesus is in His throne room sitting down....resting, He is done... (for the most part).
 
my kids are calling me, I must go...they are more important then eschatology. Good night for real...lol
Love you all.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
I know as far as salvation.

But God made promises to jews he did not make to gentiles or the church. And it is part of his plan. Romans 9 - 11 is a great showing of Gods plan through the ages.

It has always been Gods plan to Use Israel to prove to all nations he is the one true God. Due to Israels sin, he has not been able to do this. But he will fulfill his plan.

Why Israel? I do not know. I will ask him when I get there.
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God has proved it, for almost 2 thousand years there was no Israel, But now there is Israel and done by the stroke of a pen and not war as He has said. Shall I make a nation in one day? and yes He did.
 
Kerry said:
God has proved it, for almost 2 thousand years there was no Israel, But now there is Israel and done by the stroke of a pen and not war as He has said. Shall I make a nation in one day? and yes He did.
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alot of stuff has to happen before they are really restored though.
 
Kerry said:
God has proved it, for almost 2 thousand years there was no Israel, But now there is Israel and done by the stroke of a pen and not war as He has said. Shall I make a nation in one day? and yes He did.
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Yes He did make Israel a nation, and that was done in 1948.
When He referred to this generation, the one that sees all these signs take place. He was referring to those living on earth after Israel became a nation, so this would rule out anything in Matthew 24 being pertained to 70 AD.
 
kennethcadwell said:
Yes He did make Israel a nation, and that was done in 1948.
When He referred to this generation, the one that sees all these signs take place. He was referring to those living on earth after Israel became a nation, so this would rule out anything in Matthew 24 being pertained to 70 AD.
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O f course Preterism is a lie from hell and anyone that that follows suit is deceived.
 
"He holds the correct gospel bro. Do not judge him"


Weak response

No ...... bookends does not hold the correct gospel

And I do not judge .... the Lord does by His scriptures

If you are attempting to witness to one you need to know that appeasement will not work with a replacement/preterist

Expressing the truth is the only way to break the chains .... there is no room for the soft sell

The Lord and His apostles did not appease, but made no compromises against the Lord's truth

Give the truth, direct evaluation, and tough love .... no beating around the bush

Especially when the one you want to reach is bound in deception by obvious false teaching

Circling the wagon train will not work


2 Timothy
4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.

4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4:4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


Just trying to help you .... understanding the cult mentality is essential for right application

 
Straightshot said:
"He holds the correct gospel bro. Do not judge him"


Weak response

No ...... bookends does not hold the correct gospel
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omg your joking right?

Why do we have to be like them? He believes salvation by grace through faith.

This is not a salvation issue, you people who make it one are not right.

Just trying to help you .... understanding the cult mentality is essential for right application
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Thanks, But i do not need your help. I have heard his testimony, and I have heard his gospel. and it is of God.

We may disagree on this topic. but our eternity does not depend on it.

Again, Do not be like some of them and judge someones gospel. Until you hear what their gospel is.

And I have decades studying this topic, and discussing it with people.

 
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