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kennethcadwell

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Kerry said:
O f course Preterism is a lie from hell and anyone that that follows suit is deceived.
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Anybody who believes all the OT prophesies, and even Revelation was already fulfilled or is just symbolism will have a major wake up call coming.
We still have 4 major prophesied wars that are still to come; Psalm 83 war, WW3, Gog of Magog war, and Armageddon.

Not to mention the destruction of Damascus, peace treaty, and the AOD that is still to come.....
 
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Straightshot

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"this would rule out anything in Matthew 24 being pertained to 70 AD."


This is true Kenneth ... the Lord is projecting to the time of the end of this present age .... not 70AD

I will also suggest this for you

When He say "this generation" He is referring to all of post flood humanity, in this case Israel specifically

He is moving from judgment to judgment

The pre-flood generation perished ..... the post flood generation continues on to this very day .... until His next intervention to bring the next judgment [Matthew 24:36-39]
 
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Kerry

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Oh so straightshot is a preter. And believes that since 70 Ad Jesus has set up His throne. Wow is that stupid ande that means brash or as an animal when it eats. Do you not no that Hilter killed 6 million Jews while Jesus was own the throne so to speak, what a savior that delivers His people.
 
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kennethcadwell

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Straightshot said:
"this would rule out anything in Matthew 24 being pertained to 70 AD."


This is true Kenneth ... the Lord is projecting to the time of the end of this present age .... not 70AD

I will also suggest this for you

When He say "this generation" He is referring to all of post flood humanity, in this case Israel specifically

He is moving from judgment to judgment

The pre-flood generation perished ..... the post flood generation continues on to this very day .... until His next intervention to bring the next judgment [Matthew 24:36-39]
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I have never heard it put that way, even with all the different main stream biblical scholars I have read or listened to.
It would be an accepted look at it, still most that I have seen stay to the 1948 generation. The only debate is rather it refers to those just living at that time, or referring to those who were born in that year.
I would go with those born that year, for many are still alive today. My mom being one of them that was born in 1948 and still alive, thanks be to God.

And look at what has happened, just in the past 10 years for instance;
Earthquakes getting more frequent, pestilence breaking out more then ever, famine becoming more of an issue, riots within multiple nations ( nation against nation, kingdom against kingdom ), and things will just keep getting worse and worse. Just like Jesus described as the events in the last days as birth pains.
 
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Straightshot

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"And I have decades studying this topic, and discussing it with people."


Do not be naive ..... many profess Jesus Christ and deceive others [Matthew 24:4-5]

Many have been deceived into the cult religions of replacement/preterism

And they are trapped into other dogmas attached that make them think they are saved and are not

.... you should already know this .... many known organizations professing to be Christian exist, when they are not

The listing is long

If you think that you can break them out by sliding the truth and not being direct .... think again

A very tough love job to do, but necessary .... you must tell them what they need to hear, and not what they want to hear


.... back to the 144000
 
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Kerry

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There are many things I could say, I could shoot down this preter stuff as i have many times. But I won't waste my time. I would rather preach the cross, as it is the only truth and the only way. This preter stuff is way out and I mean a cop out, it is way of saying yet I live in sin and praise myself I'm going to heaven, but heaven is already here and I don't want that heaven. It is self righteousness and will be rejected by God.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Straightshot said:
"And I have decades studying this topic, and discussing it with people."


Do not be naive ..... many profess Jesus Christ and deceive others [Matthew 24:4-5]

Many have been deceived into the cult religions of replacement/preterism

And they are trapped into other dogmas attached that make them think they are saved and are not

.... you should already know this .... many known organizations professing to be Christian exist, when they are not

The listing is long

If you think that you can break them out by sliding the truth and not being direct .... think again

A very tough love job to do, but necessary .... you must tell them what they need to hear, and not what they want to hear


.... back to the 144000
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you need to stop judging, I am not naive, nor am I a child. I have dealt with many cults for years.

He is not a part of a cult. He is a child of God, I know his testimony, And I will do what I have asked everyone to do since I have been here. before you judge, a persons gospel you better listen to them.

You do not have to believe God will restore Israel to go to heaven. that is NOT the gospel. if you think it is, then you my friend are the one in trouble.
 
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Jillyanne

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Kerry, so in a nutshell, give me a synopsis of your beliefs regarding the end times....there's so many words here...just simple if you will.
 
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Kerry

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eternally-gratefull said:
you need to stop judging, I am not naive, nor am I a child. I have dealt with many cults for years.

He is not a part of a cult. He is a child of God, I know his testimony, And I will do what I have asked everyone to do since I have been here. before you judge, a persons gospel you better listen to them.

You do not have to believe God will restore Israel to go to heaven. that is NOT the gospel. if you think it is, then you my friend are the one in trouble.
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He won't talk to you because your not one of the 144,000 that will be taken. The Jehovah's witness has millions of members but only 144,000 will make it to heaven. Like God is a tyrant.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Kerry said:
He won't talk to you because your not one of the 144,000 that will be taken. The Jehovah's witness has millions of members but only 144,000 will make it to heaven. Like God is a tyrant.
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your joking right? He is JW?
 
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Straightshot

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"You do not have to believe God will restore Israel to go to heaven. that is NOT the gospel. if you think it is, then you my friend are the one in trouble."


It is what is behind the replacement/ preteristic dogma on the surface that is the issue here

Another gospel is hiding in the details

You do not listen well
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Straightshot said:
"You do not have to believe God will restore Israel to go to heaven. that is NOT the gospel. if you think it is, then you my friend are the one in trouble."


It is what is behind the replacement/ preteristic dogma on the surface that is the issue here

Another gospel is hiding in the details

You do not listen well
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No

You do not listen well.

We are not discussing the gospel. or who will go to heaven

We are discussing if Isreal will be restored, and if the 14400 are true Isreal or a mix of jew and gentile

Non of which is part of the gospel
 
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Revelation 7:9, After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands.
 
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Kerry

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Yes only twelve thousand from each tribe will be taken, but millions from the church.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Kerry said:
Yes only twelve thousand from each tribe will be taken, but millions from the church.
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they will be part of the church, Just be national people of israel. Many of those millions will be led to god by these 144000
 
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Kerry

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Yes that is true, but they will not receive glorified bodies unless they are killed during the trib and they will live in these flesh bodies, or who else shall we ruler and reign over?
 
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Jillyanne

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eternally-gratefull said:

they will be part of the church, Just be national people of israel. Many of those millions will be led to god by these 144000
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Why does God need to select 144,000 Jews for a witness if the church is still present?
 
Brother_Don

Brother_Don

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Revelation 7: 13-14, And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said unto me, these are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes , and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
 
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Kerry

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Jillyanne said:
Why does God need to select 144,000 Jews for a witness if the church is still present?
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Because the church will be gone, caught up in the twinkling of an eye.
 
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