Cop Not Indicted

[AgeofKnowledge]

Though both Kennethcaldwell and myself are genuine Christians, our ideological differences are significant and precede this thread. I mean no disrespect toward Kenneth by stating this and I do believe he has a good heart.

Our beliefs are much more in synch overall, in my observations, except when it comes to this particular issue. But, as often happens in discussions of this nature which are real life and emotionally charged, we must not lose sight that we both advocate for positive change with respect to this topic. And, that is both interesting and hopeful. Peace.

I think when kennethcaldwell came in the post at the end
lol peace
pastac

 

[jjtj22]

Don't know you not familiar with any of your post but never tell me I am a sinner. I was and I am saved from a life of sin. I may have a nature formed to sin but I do not practice sin as a ritual of daily living. I always let people speak for themselves you don't have any idea what brainfreeze meant as you did not post the words. So my suggestion is let btainfreeze handle the words that are posted when posted.

You may read into the meaning but the dialogue was between us. Never tell me what is sin on my part you know nothing about me. That puts you in the seat of judgment and I have not went there nor will I be manipulated into that position. I am sensitive to other races read the post all of them before chiding in. Now I am not easily annoyed but you did get my attention telling me I'm in some sort of sin and you're free from it? Kinda condescending in tone.

I am a mixture of races but I am not other so all that I'm left with is what I look mostly like and that is black. I am as real as it gets when I'm on my fathers business if you wish to dialogue with me do so in a manner befitting the tone of the thread.
pastac

Nope, you must not know me from other posts because I will gently try to reveal a sin to a person if I see it, this is the duty of a Christian to lovingly show others what they may not be able to see. I know from experience how easy it can be to be blind to sin. This may offend you and you may not want healing, that is definitely your choice, just know I have found healing at the cross from something similar.

Also, you are posting on a public forum so it might be expected that different people will chime in on the conversation.

God bless.

 

[blue_ladybug]

​In the words of a most famous black man, "it don't matter if your black or white!" At least it should NOT matter, IMO..

 

[pastac]

Nope, you must not know me from other posts because I will gently try to reveal a sin to a person if I see it, this is the duty of a Christian to lovingly show others what they may not be able to see. I know from experience how easy it can be to be blind to sin. This may offend you and you may not want healing, that is definitely your choice, just know I have found healing at the cross from something similar.

Also, you are posting on a public forum so it might be expected that different people will chime in on the conversation.

God bless.

you cant be serious and if you are I'll take your words and file them in file 13. I had no idea this was a public site! Thank you for policing sin. If I want healing that is between God and I and I know how to appropriate that connection to do so. Be well
pastac

 

[pastac]

​In the words of a most famous black man, "it don't matter if your black or white!" At least it should NOT matter, IMO..

was he really black lol I sure couldn't tell

 

[Brainfreeze]

Don't know you not familiar with any of your post but never tell me I am a sinner. I was and I am saved from a life of sin. I may have a nature formed to sin but I do not practice sin as a ritual of daily living. I always let people speak for themselves you don't have any idea what brainfreeze meant as you did not post the words. So my suggestion is let btainfreeze handle the words that are posted when posted.

You may read into the meaning but the dialogue was between us. Never tell me what is sin on my part you know nothing about me. That puts you in the seat of judgment and I have not went there nor will I be manipulated into that position. I am sensitive to other races read the post all of them before chiding in. Now I am not easily annoyed but you did get my attention telling me I'm in some sort of sin and you're free from it? Kinda condescending in tone.

I am a mixture of races but I am not other so all that I'm left with is what I look mostly like and that is black. I am as real as it gets when I'm on my fathers business if you wish to dialogue with me do so in a manner befitting the tone of the thread.
pastac

She actually got what I was saying, but by you question " what God I serve " and tell me God is only in control if we want, by these statements I can tell your still learning of who God is, and rather not be a hinder to your walk, why there was no rebuttal. If what's in the mirror is the only thing real to you, you have a lot more learning to do, and I don't mean that negatively, I had to learn all this on my own as well. This stuff is not easy, until we see that it is easy. Anyway, I love you as Jesus loves you more. Have a blessed day sir. Thank you for posting that jjtj22, I don't like to bicker when someone can't realize their wrong, they get prideful, then hateful, all is well.

 

[blue_ladybug]

was he really black lol I sure couldn't tell

​c'mon man, don't diss the dead.. yes he was black..

 

[jjtj22]

She actually got what I was saying, but by you question " what God I serve " and tell me God is only in control if we want, by these statements I can tell your still learning of who God is, and rather not be a hinder to your walk, why there was no rebuttal. If what's in the mirror is the only thing real to you, you have a lot more learning to do, and I don't mean that negatively, I had to learn all this on my own as well. This stuff is not easy, until we see that it is easy. Anyway, I love you as Jesus loves you more. Have a blessed day sir. Thank you for posting that jjtj22, I don't like to bicker when someone can't realize their wrong, they get prideful, then hateful, all is well.

God bless and keep your kind spirit Brainfreeze! I just prayerfully hope that a seed gets planted or watered when others read my posts, but all is well because it is God that gives growth.

 

[pastac]

She actually got what I was saying, but by you question " what God I serve " and tell me God is only in control if we want, by these statements I can tell your still learning of who God is, and rather not be a hinder to your walk, why there was no rebuttal. If what's in the mirror is the only thing real to you, you have a lot more learning to do, and I don't mean that negatively, I had to learn all this on my own as well. This stuff is not easy, until we see that it is easy. Anyway, I love you as Jesus loves you more. Have a blessed day sir. Thank you for posting that jjtj22, I don't like to bicker when someone can't realize their wrong, they get prideful, then hateful, all is well.

don't overestimate your posting of course I got what you inferred yet you refused to see my position. look at it point by point maybe it will become clear to you. as far as the other stuff I don't deal with the overt hints that you think I'm somehow wrong and you're right classic defense. But I am mature enough not to allow a good exchange to turn into bickering simply because your view is different than mine. The word says come let us reason together and sometimes the reasoning cant take place and sin is not the issue understanding is. As for understanding who God is that was my Phd paper title and dissertation when in seminary. I think I have a pretty good grasp on that.

brainfreeeze I wanted to be a minister since I was a boy I went to seminary and bible college and have been doing this longer than most I am well seasoned and have much to draw upon and still don't know it all. So don't assume that at age 30 you are right in your positions thus disregarding the position of others that is not wisdom.

And as far as respect that must be earned and given and I have done that to all. I stand strong in the faith and my positions are firm but I am teachable if it something I need teaching on. This case is not that this, this is a difference of personal opinions not theological ones.
peace
pastac

 

[pastac]

I certainly don't mind the humor about Michael Jackson the entertainer but I do view this disparagement of African Americans who choose to live moral lives and better themselves within sociological norms by those who choose do the opposite a barrier to African American progression as a whole and therefore a barrier to societal progression as a whole.

Example, see Urban Dictionary #2: "Uncle Tom is a term used by black people to try to convince other black people that working, education, living well, and setting a good example for their children is selling out."

great points that we can apply to all races since many feel race is still not an issue. Also that moral portion can be applied to the Ferguson case as well. Breaking of laws by any and all have no colors for moral or natural laws are colorless until we get involved because for me sin is sin right is right wrong is wrong no gray area for me in my thinking
pastac

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I certainly don't mind the humor about Michael Jackson the entertainer but I do view this disparagement of African Americans who choose to live moral lives and better themselves within sociological norms by those who choose to do the exact opposite a barrier to African American progression as a whole and therefore a barrier to societal progression as a whole.

Example, see Urban Dictionary #2: "Uncle Tom is a term used by black people to try to convince other black people that working, education, living well, and setting a good example for their children is selling out."

was he really black lol I sure couldn't tell

 

[Brainfreeze]

If you are a true Christian then you are a member of one race, the human race. You are what God say you are and not how man define you.

One of many reasons why the Black community is unable to form any alliance of unity against racism, is because it allow the status quo to define them as to what they are. Sadly, too many Blacks take into account as to who they are by allowing the status quo to define them on a personal level.

Very good post Biscuit... You get it

 

[biscuit]

​In the words of a most famous black man, "it don't matter if your black or white!" At least it should NOT matter, IMO..

Great song and I believe it was the late Michael Jackson who performed the act. My favorite is "Black & White" by Three Dog Nights.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I wanted to be a minister since I was a boy I went to seminary and bible college and have been doing this longer than most.

 

[p_rehbein]

Well, this is interesting............going from a discussion of the incident in Ferguson, Mo., and what role race may have played into it, to a critique of Michael Jackson songs? And Three Dog Night?

...........uh...........ok..........

 

[Billyd]

Pastac, thank for you honest contribution here.

I am the adopted grandfather to several black and multiracial children and young adults, and adopted dad to a few older adults. For nearly 55 years my home has been the gathering place of kids in our neighborhoods. All of these are precious souls to me. I have found much of what you said to be true. I have also found that as these children moved out of the old segregated neighborhoods, they became much more confident, and much happier. I have also watched their parent's attitude change over time. My greatest fear is that this resurgence of a more radical racism will erase the gains that we have lived through.

My friend, you may consider yourself Black Christian man, but I see you as a Christian man, who is very concerned about the people of his race. It is my pray that one day your (and my) concerns will not involve our race. May God richly bless you and your ministry.

 

[p_rehbein]

Another point of truth is, while this cop may still be alive.......for all practical purposes, his life is over............Where can he go, where can he hide to escape all that will follow him the rest of his life......

Additional point of truth is that the families of both the cop and Martin are victims of this incident as well..........they will all live with this for the rest of their lives..........

(just saying)

 

[pastac]

Another point of truth is, while this cop may still be alive.......for all practical purposes, his life is over............Where can he go, where can he hide to escape all that will follow him the rest of his life......

Additional point of truth is that the families of both the cop and Martin are victims of this incident as well..........they will all live with this for the rest of their lives..........

(just saying)

you have good insight into several things and this is another example
pastac

 

[pastac]

Pastac, thank for you honest contribution here.

I am the adopted grandfather to several black and multiracial children and young adults, and adopted dad to a few older adults. For nearly 55 years my home has been the gathering place of kids in our neighborhoods. All of these are precious souls to me. I have found much of what you said to be true. I have also found that as these children moved out of the old segregated neighborhoods, they became much more confident, and much happier. I have also watched their parent's attitude change over time. My greatest fear is that this resurgence of a more radical racism will erase the gains that we have lived through.

My friend, you may consider yourself Black Christian man, but I see you as a Christian man, who is very concerned about the people of his race. It is my pray that one day your (and my) concerns will not involve our race. May God richly bless you and your ministry.

First thank you for the kind heartfelt words I will place you and your family in my prayers. I agree with your assessment of facts. I do realize that apart from being a Christian man I am a black man the two though separate are still one as they take too much energy to keep separate. I pray for the day when race wont be an issue but sadly realize that will only be in heaven not here in this earthly realm just my humble opinion.
We are product of our environment it shapes and molds us for good or bad this fact has been proven countless times. Let me share this analogy in hopes that many will understand my solid foundation as clear as you and a few others.

Saul was a persecutor of Christians, hunted and killed many hated them, was a stone cold thug by all accounts. Yet once he was converted that day and became Paul he did not forget he once was Saul. He never forgot strategies, techniques and things done as Saul he just allowed Paul to be who he was. He was no longer the character Saul but allowed the character of Paul to show forth through the character of God that he yielded to. I

agree with your points and just used this to say even if we see our new man we often remember the old man and his ways. No test no testimony. I too several fears and as you point out the resurgence of racial concerns is one of them. I'll be praying in agreement with you but until such a time as change happens I'll be watchful, apprehensive, and guarded for it keeps me safe and focused in ministry.
pastac

 

[pastac]

Very good post Biscuit... You get it[/QUOTE

This is not as true as you would like to think. Society has one set of definitions for us based on several statistical offerings or social economic renderings and we define ourselves by other standards that vary based on family , cultural upbringing, anger, and a host of other things collectively and individually
pastac.