Ezekiel Temple vision, Ezekiel 40-48, a millennial temple?

[eternally-gratefull]

Ezekiel 12:21-28
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [SUP]22 [/SUP]“Son of man, what is this proverb you people have concerning the land of Israel, saying, ‘The days are long and every vision fails’? [SUP]23 [/SUP]Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “I will make this proverb cease so that they will no longer use it as a proverb in Israel.” But tell them, “The days draw near as well as the fulfillment of every vision. [SUP]24 [/SUP]For there will no longer be any false vision or flattering divination within the house of Israel. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For I the Lord will speak, and whatever word I speak will be performed. It will no longer be delayed, for in your days, O rebellious house, I will speak the word and perform it,” declares the Lord God.’”
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Furthermore, the word of the Lord came to me, saying, [SUP]27 [/SUP]“Son of man, behold, the house of Israel is saying, ‘The vision that he sees is for many years from now, and he prophesies of times far off.’
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Therefore say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “None of My words will be delayed any longer. Whatever word I speak will be performed,”’” declares the Lord God.


Ezekiel 33:33
So when it comes to pass—as surely it will—then they will know that a prophet has been in their midst.”

John 7:37-44
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Now on the last day, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried out, saying, “If anyone is thirsty, let him come to Me and drink. [SUP]38 [/SUP]He who believes in Me, as the Scripture said, ‘From his innermost being will flow rivers of living water.’” [SUP]39 [/SUP]But this He spoke of the Spirit, whom those who believed in Him were to receive; for the Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Some of the people therefore, when they heard these words, were saying, “This certainly is the Prophet.” [SUP]41 [/SUP]Others were saying, “This is the Christ.” Still others were saying, “Surely the Christ is not going to come from Galilee, is He? [SUP]42 [/SUP]Has not the Scripture said that the Christ comes from the descendants of David, and from Bethlehem, the village where David was?” [SUP]43 [/SUP]So a division occurred in the crowd because of Him. [SUP]44 [/SUP]Some of them wanted to seize Him, but no one laid hands on Him.


John 13:19
From now on I am telling you before it comes to pass, so that when it does occur, you may believe that I am He.

one can even add.

Deuteronomy 18:22
when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the thing does not happen or come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously; you shall not be afraid of him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

As for the thread. Shucks, I waited for awhile hoping there would be some good discussion so I could see, and hopefully come up with what I see (I really have not studied it) and after all these posts. I still do not know what is true concerning this temple (is it the millennial temple, or the future eternal temple in new jerusalem)

All I see is a bunch of arguing.

 

[john832]

As for the thread. Shucks, I waited for awhile hoping there would be some good discussion so I could see, and hopefully come up with what I see (I really have not studied it) and after all these posts. I still do not know what is true concerning this temple (is it the millennial temple, or the future eternal temple in new jerusalem)

All I see is a bunch of arguing.

It is a Millennial Temple...

Eze 43:13 "These are the measurements of the altar in cubits (the cubit is one cubit and a handbreadth): the base one cubit high and one cubit wide, with a rim all around its edge of one span. This is the height of the altar:

Eze 43:18 And He said to me, "Son of man, thus says the Lord GOD: 'These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it.
Eze 43:19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,' says the Lord GOD.
Eze 43:20 You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.
Eze 43:21 Then you shall also take the bull of the sin offering, and burn it in the appointed place of the temple, outside the sanctuary.
Eze 43:22 On the second day you shall offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they cleansed it with the bull.
Eze 43:23 When you have finished cleansing it, you shall offer a young bull without blemish, and a ram from the flock without blemish.
Eze 43:24 When you offer them before the LORD, the priests shall throw salt on them, and they will offer them up as a burnt offering to the LORD.
Eze 43:25 Every day for seven days you shall prepare a goat for a sin offering; they shall also prepare a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without blemish.
Eze 43:26 Seven days they shall make atonement for the altar and purify it, and so consecrate it.
Eze 43:27 When these days are over it shall be, on the eighth day and thereafter, that the priests shall offer your burnt offerings and your peace offerings on the altar; and I will accept you,' says the Lord GOD."

Animal sacrifices will be offered. There are no animal sacrifices in the Temple in New Jerusalem.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Animal sacrifices will be offered. There are no animal sacrifices in the Temple in New Jerusalem.

There is no temple in the New Jerusalem,

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

 

[john832]

There is no temple in the New Jerusalem,

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Exactly, that is the point, there is no physical Temple to offer animal sacrifices in, so Ezekiel's Temple must be during the Millennium.

 

[JesusIsAll]

Exactly, that is the point, there is no physical Temple to offer animal sacrifices in, so Ezekiel's Temple must be during the Millennium.

Yes, very much scripture of only one time frame possible, if there ever were!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

There is no temple in the New Jerusalem,

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.

Thanks I just read it. Guess that rules this out..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is a Millennial Temple...

Eze 43:13 "These are the measurements of the altar in cubits (the cubit is one cubit and a handbreadth): the base one cubit high and one cubit wide, with a rim all around its edge of one span. This is the height of the altar:

Eze 43:18 And He said to me, "Son of man, thus says the Lord GOD: 'These are the ordinances for the altar on the day when it is made, for sacrificing burnt offerings on it, and for sprinkling blood on it.
Eze 43:19 You shall give a young bull for a sin offering to the priests, the Levites, who are of the seed of Zadok, who approach Me to minister to Me,' says the Lord GOD.
Eze 43:20 You shall take some of its blood and put it on the four horns of the altar, on the four corners of the ledge, and on the rim around it; thus you shall cleanse it and make atonement for it.
Eze 43:21 Then you shall also take the bull of the sin offering, and burn it in the appointed place of the temple, outside the sanctuary.
Eze 43:22 On the second day you shall offer a kid of the goats without blemish for a sin offering; and they shall cleanse the altar, as they cleansed it with the bull.
Eze 43:23 When you have finished cleansing it, you shall offer a young bull without blemish, and a ram from the flock without blemish.
Eze 43:24 When you offer them before the LORD, the priests shall throw salt on them, and they will offer them up as a burnt offering to the LORD.
Eze 43:25 Every day for seven days you shall prepare a goat for a sin offering; they shall also prepare a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without blemish.
Eze 43:26 Seven days they shall make atonement for the altar and purify it, and so consecrate it.
Eze 43:27 When these days are over it shall be, on the eighth day and thereafter, that the priests shall offer your burnt offerings and your peace offerings on the altar; and I will accept you,' says the Lord GOD."

Animal sacrifices will be offered. There are no animal sacrifices in the Temple in New Jerusalem.

Thats the problem I have with it. God did not accept sacrifice and burnt offerin gin the ot as a means to forgive sin, it was just a vision of what was to come, so when Christ came, they would know who he was and what he would do.

So there is no need to sacrifice in the millennium. God is not going to go around killing animals, when he has restored the animal kingdom to what it was before the fall (where the lion and lamb sleep together in peace)

 

[JesusIsAll]

Thats the problem I have with it. God did not accept sacrifice and burnt offerin gin the ot as a means to forgive sin, it was just a vision of what was to come, so when Christ came, they would know who he was and what he would do.

So there is no need to sacrifice in the millennium. God is not going to go around killing animals, when he has restored the animal kingdom to what it was before the fall (where the lion and lamb sleep together in peace)

This is what one naturally thinks in Christ, of the one time only sacrifice, but is the Lord's covenant with Israel the same as the New Covenant of the church age? Has Israel actually accepted Christ on faith, or by sight, when Zechariah 12:10 becomes reality? Is the millennium circumstance of Israel, or the world, for that matter, when the Lord is ruling by a rod of iron, the same as coming to the suffering Savior, willingly, in faith?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This is what one naturally thinks in Christ, of the one time only sacrifice, but is the Lord's covenant with Israel the same as the New Covenant of the church age? Has Israel actually accepted Christ on faith, or by sight, when Zechariah 12:10 becomes reality? Is the millennium circumstance of Israel, or the world, for that matter, when the Lord is ruling by a rod of iron, the same as coming to the suffering Savior, willingly, in faith?

Isreal will repent when the see the lord come out of Zion, And finally figure out jesus was her messiah. They do not need to see a sacrifice of animals to know who Jesus is. They will know the full gospel. the same one we have recieved, which gave us eternal life.

Paul makes it clear. the law was given (not only to them, but to us) to be a schoolmaster to lead us (and them) to Christ. They did not see the schoolmaster for what it was (most of them) thats why they rejected him. when they see him, they will no longer misunderstand that the law was just a schoolmaster to led them to their messiah, once the messiah appears (which he did 2000 years ago) there is no more need of law.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Thats the problem I have with it. God did not accept sacrifice and burnt offerin gin the ot as a means to forgive sin, it was just a vision of what was to come, so when Christ came, they would know who he was and what he would do.

So there is no need to sacrifice in the millennium. God is not going to go around killing animals, when he has restored the animal kingdom to what it was before the fall (where the lion and lamb sleep together in peace)

Your right here, that there will be no animal sacrifices during the millennial reign of Christ.
Those animal sacrifices will start up again when the temple is rebuilt during the tribulation period. The antichrist will then put an end to them when he breaks the treaty and sits in the temple and claims to be God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your right here, that there will be no animal sacrifices during the millennial reign of Christ.
Those animal sacrifices will start up again when the temple is rebuilt during the tribulation period. The antichrist will then put an end to them when he breaks the treaty and sits in the temple and claims to be God.

now this I believe.

the question is, Is that the temple of Ezekiel?

 

[JesusIsAll]

Isreal will repent when the see the lord come out of Zion, And finally figure out jesus was her messiah. They do not need to see a sacrifice of animals to know who Jesus is. They will know the full gospel. the same one we have recieved, which gave us eternal life.

Paul makes it clear. the law was given (not only to them, but to us) to be a schoolmaster to lead us (and them) to Christ. They did not see the schoolmaster for what it was (most of them) thats why they rejected him. when they see him, they will no longer misunderstand that the law was just a schoolmaster to led them to their messiah, once the messiah appears (which he did 2000 years ago) there is no more need of law.

I know this is how it seems, which I long believed of Ezekiel's temple in some ways, trying to explain it away for doctrinal prejudice. But if you believe the Bible means what it says, is literal of this temple, you are presented with facts of a sacrificial system in the millennium which is, also, markedly different than the old system and temple. When you clear your mind of preconceived notions, the scripture is just there.

 

[JesusIsAll]

now this I believe.

the question is, Is that the temple of Ezekiel?

It is impossible the Ezekiel temple is pre-millennium, details such as a river of living water, sweetening the Dead Sea, a temple and grounds that are huge, would not fit on the current Temple Mount, the Ezekiel temple preposterous of anything man is going to install, with the glory of the Lord present, also. One would have to throw out the scripture, trying to fit that square peg into the round hole.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I know this is how it seems, which I long believed of Ezekiel's temple in some ways, trying to explain it away for doctrinal prejudice. But if you believe the Bible means what it says, is literal of this temple, you are presented with facts of a sacrificial system in the millennium which is, also, markedly different than the old system and temple. When you clear your mind of preconceived notions, the scripture is just there.

sorry, but I can not agree, I was taught this in the church I grew up in, and believed it at one time. But after great study, I just can not buy into this anymore.

They are not going to be sacrificing bulls and goats and lambs when the lamb of God, who was slghtered sits in the temple himself. that would be a mockery

I think the messianic prophesy of Is 11 shows that the animal kingdom was restored to pre fall activity, There is not going to be any killing of them. That makes no sense.

 

[kennethcadwell]

now this I believe.

the question is, Is that the temple of Ezekiel?

That is up to debate because some have said yes, and others have said no that it is the third temple and Ezekiel is a fourth temple.
The thing is though that Ezekiel's temple would fit though by the dimensions given, and different prophecy teachers who see the temple mount under a shared agreement. Here is a picture of what an architect came up with using the Ezekiel temple dimensions and a shared arrangement.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is impossible the Ezekiel temple is pre-millennium, details such as a river of living water, sweetening the Dead Sea, a temple and grounds that are huge, would not fit on the current Temple Mount, the Ezekiel temple preposterous of anything man is going to install, with the glory of the Lord present, also. One would have to throw out the scripture, trying to fit that square peg into the round hole.

thus you have the other question I have.

so what temple is it? Did Israel build a temple, and start sacrifice and offering (in sin) and then the beast defiles the temple with the abomination which makes desolate. And then after christ returns, and things are done to it, it ends up looking like the Ezekiel temple.

is it a 4th temple? or what?

 

[JesusIsAll]

sorry, but I can not agree, I was taught this in the church I grew up in, and believed it at one time. But after great study, I just can not buy into this anymore.

They are not going to be sacrificing bulls and goats and lambs when the lamb of God, who was slghtered sits in the temple himself. that would be a mockery

I think the messianic prophesy of Is 11 shows that the animal kingdom was restored to pre fall activity, There is not going to be any killing of them. That makes no sense.

While I fully understand and respect your take on this, I've also learned that the word of God is not always understood on our terms, some things impossible to grasp, but "through a glass darkly." But this is no salvation issue, and we shall see if there's an explanation for many details impossible for me, anyway, to explain away.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

43 Afterward he brought me to the gate, the gate that faces toward the east. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east. His voice was like the sound of many waters; and the earth shone with His glory. [SUP]3 [/SUP]It was like the appearance of the vision which I saw—like the vision which I saw when I[SUP][a][/SUP] came to destroy the city. The visions were like the vision which I saw by the River Chebar; and I fell on my face. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And the glory of the Lord came into the temple by way of the gate which faces toward the east. [SUP]5 [/SUP]The Spirit lifted me up and brought me into the inner court; and behold, the glory of the Lord filled the temple.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]Then I heard Him speaking to me from the temple, while a man stood beside me. [SUP]7 [/SUP]And He said to me, “Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places. [SUP]8 [/SUP]When they set their threshold by My threshold, and their doorpost by My doorpost, with a wall between them and Me, they defiled My holy name by the abominations which they committed; therefore I have consumed them in My anger. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Now let them put their harlotry and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in their midst forever.

sounds here like the temple is finished before the lords return, for here we have the vision of the king coming from the east and setting up his throne, after he regathers isreal and puts her back in her own land.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[SUP]9 [/SUP]Thus says the Lord God: “No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart or uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter My sanctuary, including any foreigner who is among the children of Israel.

Cant be the eternal. not only because their is no eternal temple as already shown, but we still have a fact that no unclean person can enter the temple. there will be no unclean people in heaven.