Ezekiel Temple vision, Ezekiel 40-48, a millennial temple?

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JesusIsAll

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#61
thus you have the other question I have.

so what temple is it? Did Israel build a temple, and start sacrifice and offering (in sin) and then the beast defiles the temple with the abomination which makes desolate. And then after christ returns, and things are done to it, it ends up looking like the Ezekiel temple.

is it a 4th temple? or what?
Yes, if you call the tribulation temple the 3rd temple, Ezekiel's temple is the 4th. Remember, when the Lord comes to the Mount of Olives, it cleaves in two, anything of the Old City, across the street, will surely be a pile of rubble. This will be a major, major earthquake.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Yes, if you call the tribulation temple the 3rd temple, Ezekiel's temple is the 4th. Remember, when the Lord comes to the Mount of Olives, it cleaves in two, anything of the Old City, across the street, will surely be a pile of rubble. This will be a major, major earthquake.
yeah but this is the vision of Ezekial, this is when he sees him enter the temple from the east. How can he enter from the east if the temple is destroyed..
 

JimmieD

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Yes, if you call the tribulation temple the 3rd temple, Ezekiel's temple is the 4th.
If you wanted to be more accurate, Zerubbabel's temple was the 2nd, Herod's the 3rd. And this isn't counting the Samaritan, Elephantine, or Leontopolis Temples that were built by Jews in the periods following the Babylonian invasion. And this isn't counting the previous structures in places like Shiloh or Bethel built prior to Solomon's temple.

So I guess if you require Jewish people to build a future temple, it's going to be #8 or something.
 
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JesusIsAll

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yeah but this is the vision of Ezekial, this is when he sees him enter the temple from the east. How can he enter from the east if the temple is destroyed..

Zechariah 6:12-13 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
 
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JesusIsAll

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#65
Isaiah 11:1-4 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Zechariah 6:12-13 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
Now this is a spiritual temple. created By Christ, who is our high priest. Nothing physical about this temple. nor is it the temple we are discussing.
 
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JesusIsAll

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Now this is a spiritual temple. created By Christ, who is our high priest. Nothing physical about this temple. nor is it the temple we are discussing.
I don't know, the very idea amazes me more than anything else the Lord could give Ezekiel a most detailed architectural, geographical and worshipful plan, with details almost more than one can absorb, to be saying it's all spiritual, that is, senseless in terms of what scripture is painstakingly describing, in raw detail? Like the Preterist, this is the real leap that goes to the Bible not saying what it's saying, and though fulfilled prophecy to date has been most literal. I would hope to never get to a place where anything is a symbol, because I can't understand it, to be assigned imaginary values. The Bible is not Nostradamus, by any stretch.
 

john832

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now this I believe.

the question is, Is that the temple of Ezekiel?
Do you really believe this will happen prior to the Millennium?

Eze 47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Eze 47:2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
Eze 47:3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
Eze 47:4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Eze 47:5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
Eze 47:6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
Eze 47:7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
Eze 47:8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
Eze 47:9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
Eze 47:10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
Eze 47:11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
Eze 47:12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Eze 47:13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.
 

john832

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Now this is a spiritual temple. created By Christ, who is our high priest. Nothing physical about this temple. nor is it the temple we are discussing.
Spiritual Temple?

Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

How do you spiritualize this away? This occurs at His return.
 
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kennethcadwell

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#70
Do you really believe this will happen prior to the Millennium?

Eze 47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Eze 47:2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
Eze 47:3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
Eze 47:4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Eze 47:5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
Eze 47:6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
Eze 47:7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
Eze 47:8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
Eze 47:9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
Eze 47:10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
Eze 47:11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
Eze 47:12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Eze 47:13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.

The bible prophecies make it evident that there will be a temple during the tribulation. Revelation 11 shows a temple, even though some try to say it is in heaven. The problem is that all of chapter 11 is earth based, and then you have the prophecy that says the antichrist will sit in the temple and claim to be God. And also he will put an end to daily sacrifice. How can he sit in the temple and put an end to daily sacrifice if there is no temple ???
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#71
I don't know, the very idea amazes me more than anything else the Lord could give Ezekiel a most detailed architectural, geographical and worshipful plan, with details almost more than one can absorb, to be saying it's all spiritual, that is, senseless in terms of what scripture is painstakingly describing, in raw detail? Like the Preterist, this is the real leap that goes to the Bible not saying what it's saying, and though fulfilled prophecy to date has been most literal. I would hope to never get to a place where anything is a symbol, because I can't understand it, to be assigned imaginary values. The Bible is not Nostradamus, by any stretch.
the temple you showed in zack 6 does not even appear to be the same temple as Ezekiel temple.

that was what I was saying, I do believe Ezekiel temple is a physical temple.

try listening.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#72
Do you really believe this will happen prior to the Millennium?

Eze 47:1 Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
Eze 47:2 Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
Eze 47:3 And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ankles.
Eze 47:4 Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
Eze 47:5 Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
Eze 47:6 And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
Eze 47:7 Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
Eze 47:8 Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
Eze 47:9 And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.
Eze 47:10 And it shall come to pass, that the fishers shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim; they shall be a place to spread forth nets; their fish shall be according to their kinds, as the fish of the great sea, exceeding many.
Eze 47:11 But the miry places thereof and the marishes thereof shall not be healed; they shall be given to salt.
Eze 47:12 And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine.
Eze 47:13 Thus saith the Lord GOD; This shall be the border, whereby ye shall inherit the land according to the twelve tribes of Israel: Joseph shall have two portions.
well was the temple built before, and became this temple, with this water after??

come on now people there has to be a temple before the millenium, and still in existence when Christ returns to enter it himself.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Spiritual Temple?

Zec 14:8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
Zec 14:9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.
Zec 14:10 All the land shall be turned as a plain from Geba to Rimmon south of Jerusalem: and it shall be lifted up, and inhabited in her place, from Benjamin's gate unto the place of the first gate, unto the corner gate, and from the tower of Hananeel unto the king's winepresses.
Zec 14:11 And men shall dwell in it, and there shall be no more utter destruction; but Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

How do you spiritualize this away? This occurs at His return.

that is zak, he posted jeremiah..

try again? do you people even read what I responded to?
 
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JesusIsAll

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#74
the temple you showed in zack 6 does not even appear to be the same temple as Ezekiel temple.

that was what I was saying, I do believe Ezekiel temple is a physical temple.

try listening.
Oh, I'm listening. It's just that you've got it all wrong. LOL!
 
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JesusIsAll

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or you believe I have it all wrong?? lol
You could say that's true. But you've also got scores of other systematic theologians who'd find your theory of interpretation wanting, actually, no such thing as any quick study of Old Testament millennial prophecy. You know, things like this are why the Lord gave you Google.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#77
You could say that's true. But you've also got scores of other systematic theologians who'd find your theory of interpretation wanting, actually, no such thing as any quick study of Old Testament millennial prophecy. You know, things like this are why the Lord gave you Google.
actually, I have studied end times prophesies for years. I do not claim to know it all though.

and many theologians would also disagree with you, so that I am afraid is not a good measuring stick of who is right and wrong. don;t you agree?
 

john832

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#78
The bible prophecies make it evident that there will be a temple during the tribulation. Revelation 11 shows a temple, even though some try to say it is in heaven. The problem is that all of chapter 11 is earth based, and then you have the prophecy that says the antichrist will sit in the temple and claim to be God. And also he will put an end to daily sacrifice. How can he sit in the temple and put an end to daily sacrifice if there is no temple ???
Oh I do agree but Ezekiel's Temple is not during the Tribulation period, events occur that could not possibly occur during the Tribulation.
 

john832

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that is zak, he posted jeremiah..

try again? do you people even read what I responded to?
They are speaking of the same event. The Prophets were all inspired by God and He inspired them all to be on the same page.
 

john832

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well was the temple built before, and became this temple, with this water after??

come on now people there has to be a temple before the millenium, and still in existence when Christ returns to enter it himself.
I didn't say that, I said the Temple of Ezekiel is during the Millennium. There is a Temple built prior to Christ's return, the AoD sits in it.