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it's a synopsis not a detailed run-down of all we must do...you see nothing to do in chapter 3....but there is a little something to do in chapter 8.......
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2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
picking a scripture here and there and leaning to one's own understanding and not understanding by the spirit of God is a recipe for disaster...
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2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
picking a scripture here and there and leaning to one's own understanding and not understanding by the spirit of God is a recipe for disaster...
K
Now you are calling names, how Christian-like that is....NOT.
Calling me a bigot and saying I don't forgive others. I don't know where you even get that, I don't hold anything against nobody. I have forgiven all that has done me wrong, and even those who have not done something to me directly I have forgiven and prayed for forgiveness for them to our Lord.
Where did I say there are only two sins, there are a multitude of sins that people can do, and they all are enmity to God.
Only one is unforgivable, and that is the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
But now in order to be forgiven you have to repent and ask forgiveness of your sins.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is a continuance to always reject the Holy Spirits guidance and not obey Him.
K
The bible even says that the truth is not easy for some to swallow.
We all should be eating the meat of the word, but some can not get out of the milk and can't handle the meat. So they continue to reject the scriptures even though from the Lord Jesus all the way through the epistles says the same thing.
my prayer is that we all come to the knowledge of the truth....and I fear what may come upon those who reject the truth...
this is scary stuff....and men are going around just being flippant about the gospel.....
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
this is scary stuff....and men are going around just being flippant about the gospel.....
2 Thessalonians 2:8-12King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
K
Yes my prayers are for that to.
The thing is that I see is that one of the main points of the gospel is about love and forgiveness.
From being on here just in the short time I have been here, I have seen more condemning attitudes and name calling from those who throw obedience and the true meaning of repentance out the window.
I would ask and pray to God in the name of our Lord to help them get out of their hateful attitudes, and find the love for all that we are called to do.
E
I do not know what bible you read, but you evidently have a different one, or else you always read scripture with a blind eye, and never get to see the riches of the word.
Romans 1 is telling us all, we have no excuse. For we know God, and his righteous judgment,
[SUP]32 [/SUP]who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
Paul also tells us we know God, because since creation he has shown his power and beauty.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
you asked how someone could repent who had not heard the word of God. this is what paul tells you. They know, and they have never heard the word. God wrote his word in our hearts, They (we) hid the knowledge of God in our hearts.
E
lol. Sorry you made me laugh, where do you get in what I said I called YOU a self centered bigot? Wow, if your not going to read anything with an open mind, how can we ever discuss everything.
If you (or me or anyone else) do not forgive someone, we are a self centered biggot. You claim God does not forgive us if we are self centered bigots. we must forgive others or God will not forgive us (and then tell me, Does not even a non believer forgive some people? Non of us (unless we are so self centered there is no hope) will not forgove everyone, we will all show forgiveness for those we love.
I asked which sin Christ did not die for. And you gave a list of them, Are you now changing your mind??
Yep. and that person was NEVER SAVED. Because he NEVER TRUSTED GOD. He died in the state of the unforgivable sin, because he never repented of that sin while he was alive and had the chance.
again you ignored the question. How can people have faith if they reject what God says about sin.
I am going to keep asking until you answer Lets hear your answer.
If you (or me or anyone else) do not forgive someone, we are a self centered biggot. You claim God does not forgive us if we are self centered bigots. we must forgive others or God will not forgive us (and then tell me, Does not even a non believer forgive some people? Non of us (unless we are so self centered there is no hope) will not forgove everyone, we will all show forgiveness for those we love.
I asked which sin Christ did not die for. And you gave a list of them, Are you now changing your mind??
Yep. and that person was NEVER SAVED. Because he NEVER TRUSTED GOD. He died in the state of the unforgivable sin, because he never repented of that sin while he was alive and had the chance.
again you ignored the question. How can people have faith if they reject what God says about sin.
I am going to keep asking until you answer Lets hear your answer.
E
Yeah it is scary stuff, Our eternal destiny is at stake.
Yet you preach a gospel which is no gospel at all. There is no good news in your message, you teach works, Do good enough, and MANYBE God will save you, Do these commands, and try not to sin, and act like a good little Christian boy or girl, and I will talk to my father and ask him to let you in.
That is not the gospel, that is fear based, and straight from the pits of hell.
E
talk about name calling and ll.
You say we throw repentance and obedience out the window. WHich is a lie, so who is doing all the name calling and judging?
You need to look in the mirror and take the log out of your eye, and while you at it. Please think and think hard, and answer this question.
How can a man or woman have FAITH IN GOD when they reject what God says about sin?
There I said it in large print, I will be humble and think maybe you have not heard the question yet.
You say we throw repentance and obedience out the window. WHich is a lie, so who is doing all the name calling and judging?
You need to look in the mirror and take the log out of your eye, and while you at it. Please think and think hard, and answer this question.
How can a man or woman have FAITH IN GOD when they reject what God says about sin?
There I said it in large print, I will be humble and think maybe you have not heard the question yet.
The Gospel is "Fear based", our God is "fear based" :
1Pet 2:17 (KJV)
Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
Acts 13:16 (KJV)
Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with [his] hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
Rev 14:7 (KJV)
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
You preach another gospel, you should fear God and the pits of hell.
1Pet 2:17 (KJV)
Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
Acts 13:16 (KJV)
Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with [his] hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
Rev 14:7 (KJV)
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
You preach another gospel, you should fear God and the pits of hell.
E
God did not come to scare us in legalistic righteous judgment, he came to save us. (as he said, he did not come to judge the world. but to save it)
It is obvious you have not found that love, And you prove you are teaching a fear based gospel. which is no gospel at all.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, then heirs
It is obvious you have not found that love, And you prove you are teaching a fear based gospel. which is no gospel at all.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.” [SUP]16 [/SUP]The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, [SUP]17 [/SUP]and if children, then heirs
I hear a fish flapping out of water which he will one day wish he had......works plus faith = a gospel of a different kind with no power to save...
Oh foolish Galatians....this only would I learn of you, Received ye the spirit by the WORKS OF THE LAW, or by the HEARING OF FAITH. Are ye so FOOLISH, having begun in the Spirit are you now made PERFECT (complete) by the FLESH!
GOD thru PAUL calls people who believe in works plus faith for salvation or to keep salvation FOOLS.....Go argue your works with God when you stand before him and believe that it EARNED your right to enter the Kingdom of God...good luck with that...I believe the words you will hear is...I never knew you...depart from me you worker of iniquity!
Oh foolish Galatians....this only would I learn of you, Received ye the spirit by the WORKS OF THE LAW, or by the HEARING OF FAITH. Are ye so FOOLISH, having begun in the Spirit are you now made PERFECT (complete) by the FLESH!
GOD thru PAUL calls people who believe in works plus faith for salvation or to keep salvation FOOLS.....Go argue your works with God when you stand before him and believe that it EARNED your right to enter the Kingdom of God...good luck with that...I believe the words you will hear is...I never knew you...depart from me you worker of iniquity!
My "walk" as a believer comes after I am saved and in my "walk" I do endeavor to walk after the Spirit. 24/7? I can only strive to have that perfection.
Yep, picking a scripture here and there is a recipe for disaster - they must be taken in context - Just as you used 3 verses in context from chapter 8 - I used 3 verses in context from chapter 3 . . . . so whose picking here and there? Neither of us did . . . . .
Yep, picking a scripture here and there is a recipe for disaster - they must be taken in context - Just as you used 3 verses in context from chapter 8 - I used 3 verses in context from chapter 3 . . . . so whose picking here and there? Neither of us did . . . . .
K
I am not name calling, judging anybody. This is your false accusation again, which we are told do not bear false witness.
I and others have over and over again shown scriptures from the bible showing the importance of obedience to the Lord, and we also have shown over and over the true meaning of repentance. Which is not just going from unbelief to belief.
Repentance is about turning from your sins ( stop doing them ), and dedicate your life to the Lord our God.
How many times do I need to answer that bolded question, tell you accept the answer ???
We all reject God before we hear the word, after hearing the word we believe in what it says and feel the godly sorrow for the way we were walking that is contrary to God. That faith and godly sorrow leads us to repent of our sins, and dedicate our lives to following Him in which we will obey and keep His commandments. If you don't accept and believe in the word when you hear it, you won't have faith and will not repent because you didn't really hear what it said.
The next subject I see being talked about is fear, and yes fear is talked about in the NT. The reason it says we are to fear is because this leads back to obedience. Our salvation is at stake and only through your faith and obedience to the Lord are you saved. The scriptures make it clear that those who are disobedient do not have salvation.
How does one be disobedient to the Lord ? To continue to walk in sin, and obey it instead of obey what the Lord said.
K
I think one of the issues we have to is that when is a person really saved ?
Is it when you initially receive Jesus as your Lord and Savior, and repent of your sins, or is it after you have persevered in your life and walk and not wavered ?
There is a debate for both sides, I can give for instance a bunch of scriptures from our Lord Jesus all the way through the NT that shows one is not saved tell the end, after they have endured, persevered, stood firm, and not fallen away from the faith.
So we have two gospels or a misunderstanding of what Romans 8:14-17, I say the latter as we cannot remove the following verses from the "gospel" :
1Pet 2:17 (KJV)
Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
Acts 13:16 (KJV)
Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with [his] hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
Rev 14:7 (KJV)
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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Romans 8:14-17 is saying the old law (law of Moses) was to be lived by fear, the law of Christ is to be lived by Love, but it does not remove from the believer the "fear of God" should they fall away:
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Galatians 1:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, [SUP]7 [/SUP] which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Those that fallow another gospel or pervert the one we were given, will face the wrath of God, and therefore should be "God Fearing".
1Pet 2:17 (KJV)
Honour all [men]. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.
Acts 13:16 (KJV)
Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with [his] hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience.
Rev 14:7 (KJV)
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
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Romans 8:14-17 is saying the old law (law of Moses) was to be lived by fear, the law of Christ is to be lived by Love, but it does not remove from the believer the "fear of God" should they fall away:
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Galatians 1:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] I marvel that you are turning away so soon from Him who called you in the grace of Christ, to a different gospel, [SUP]7 [/SUP] which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ.
Those that fallow another gospel or pervert the one we were given, will face the wrath of God, and therefore should be "God Fearing".