Ezekiel Temple vision, Ezekiel 40-48, a millennial temple?
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Did you read anything I said, all I said was this temple has some spiritual implications just as the first temple given to Moses. I also said that this temple could have been the second temple, if the people we ashamed of their sin. God makes this temple being built upon a condition. It's in there, plan as day!
10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. 11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write itdown in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them. 12 This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintopis most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.
10 “Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. 11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances, all its forms and all its laws. Write itdown in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design and all its ordinances, and perform them. 12 This is the law of the temple: The whole area surrounding the mountaintopis most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.
So are you saying that after Satan stops the sacrifices, Satan is going to fake his death and come back to life?...
One problem with this, God gave the command and requirements for the Sacrifice to begin with, and if God is the only who can start them, HE can be the only one to stop them, not Satan. Satan is not more powerful then God...You are talking in circles...You told us Satan stops the sacrifices in one thread, and here you say God is the only one to stop it.
So are you saying that Satan has the power to stop something the God has initiated?
One problem with this, God gave the command and requirements for the Sacrifice to begin with, and if God is the only who can start them, HE can be the only one to stop them, not Satan. Satan is not more powerful then God...You are talking in circles...You told us Satan stops the sacrifices in one thread, and here you say God is the only one to stop it.
So are you saying that Satan has the power to stop something the God has initiated?
J
Just the temple walls almost three football fields square, on an even larger plot of land. A river of living water, sweetening the Dead Sea, abundant fishing, but still quite dead, last report. The temple functions, themselves, are in no way as any in the age of law, past and current Judaism, rather a strange ritual subset. But people actually have to study a few things, before commenting on them, though this is never an impediment around here.
K
You see the problem is though is this is what the Jews believe, and the antichrist will insert himself into try to fool them to follow him as their messiah. How better to do that then stop what only the Lord should stop.
No I am not saying that, but even the bible says that he will come and the false prophet with him will do many wonders and miracles to fool people to follow them. He puts himself in place of God, so why would he not do things that only the Lord our God should do.
Look at the pope, he and the other popes before him have said that if they say something even if it isn't in scripture then it is still to follow because it is the word of God. They put themselves in place of God, and make new commandments for people to follow that is not in the bible.
Your THEOLOGY flies in the face of scripture.
He WAS NOT KING OF THE WORLD, the first time HE came, in fact Daniel called HIM Messiah the Prince.
WHEN HE COMES THE SECOND TIME, HE WILL BE KING OF THE WORLD.
Zechariah 14:2-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
He WAS NOT KING OF THE WORLD, the first time HE came, in fact Daniel called HIM Messiah the Prince.
WHEN HE COMES THE SECOND TIME, HE WILL BE KING OF THE WORLD.
Zechariah 14:2-9 (HCSB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle. The city will be captured, the houses looted, and the women raped. Half the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be removed from the city.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Then the LORD will go out to fight against those nations as He fights on a day of battle.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] On that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which faces Jerusalem on the east. The Mount of Olives will be split in half from east to west, forming a huge valley, so that half the mountain will move to the north and half to the south.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] You will flee by My mountain valley, for the valley of the mountains will extend to Azal. You will flee as you fled from the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah. Then the LORD my God will come and all the holy ones with Him.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] On that day there will be no light; the sunlight and moonlight will diminish.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] It will be a day known ⌊only⌋ to Yahweh, without day or night, but there will be light at evening.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it toward the eastern sea and the other half toward the western sea, in summer and winter alike.
[SUP]9 [/SUP] On that day Yahweh will become King over all the earth—Yahweh alone, and His name alone.
Paul teaches that the dead in Christ will rise first, then those alive will be changed in a twinkling of an eye.
[h=3]The Comfort of Christ’s Coming (Galatians 4)[/h]13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[b]
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words (there is no 1000 year gap in this)
New American Standard Bible
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
All who enter the new age after Christ' return will be changed! If we are all changed, and raised incorruptible, there will be no death.
[h=3]The Comfort of Christ’s Coming (Galatians 4)[/h]13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.[b]
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words (there is no 1000 year gap in this)
1 Corinthians 15:52
New American Standard Bible
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
All who enter the new age after Christ' return will be changed! If we are all changed, and raised incorruptible, there will be no death.
HE DOESN'T EVEN FIT INTO THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE, THUS HE TRULY IS "THEE I AM", OMNIPRESENT IN ALL TIME AT THE SAME TIME. AMAZING HOW ALMOST ALL HUMAN BEINGS WANT TO TRY TO MAKE GOD FIT INTO A BOX, ESPECIALLY A BOX WE CALL TIME.
As for your argument about the Second Temple, there is ONE EVENT that blows your whole argument clean out of the water.
Matthew 27:51 (ESV)
[SUP]51 [/SUP] And behold, the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. And the earth shook, and the rocks were split.
J
Do you ever get around to the unthinkable, that Ezekiel 40-48 are visions and prophecies from God exactly as given, that, in the final analysis,
Ezekiel 48:35 ...and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there.
If 500 out of 1,000 Bible prophecies are already literally fulfilled, just a hunch the others may likewise come to pass? I know it's radical, but just maybe the Bible means what it says. It's all quite clear to me, anyway, no confusing morass of man made symbols even to be found in those chapters, in the first place.
Ezekiel 48:35 ...and the name of the city from that day shall be, The LORD is there.
If 500 out of 1,000 Bible prophecies are already literally fulfilled, just a hunch the others may likewise come to pass? I know it's radical, but just maybe the Bible means what it says. It's all quite clear to me, anyway, no confusing morass of man made symbols even to be found in those chapters, in the first place.
I just can't believe my hears. I think you missed the boat:
[video=youtube;bqjzpWYFJfc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqjzpWYFJfc[/video]
Joy to the World , the Lord is come!
Let earth receive her King;
Let every heart prepare Him room,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven, and Heaven, and nature sing.
Joy to the World, the Savior reigns!
Let men their songs employ;
While fields and floods, rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat, repeat, the sounding joy.
No more let sins and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found,
Far as the curse is found,
Far as, far as, the curse is found.
He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders, wonders, of His love.
[video=youtube;bqjzpWYFJfc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqjzpWYFJfc[/video]
Joy to the World , the Lord is come!
Let earth receive her King;
Let every heart prepare Him room,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven and nature sing,
And Heaven, and Heaven, and nature sing.
Joy to the World, the Savior reigns!
Let men their songs employ;
While fields and floods, rocks, hills and plains
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat the sounding joy,
Repeat, repeat, the sounding joy.
No more let sins and sorrows grow,
Nor thorns infest the ground;
He comes to make His blessings flow
Far as the curse is found,
Far as the curse is found,
Far as, far as, the curse is found.
He rules the world with truth and grace,
And makes the nations prove
The glories of His righteousness,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders of His love,
And wonders, wonders, of His love.
J
Actually, what I don't understand is that school of exegesis that the Bible means anything and everything, but what it says. Just what is this "discipline" of throwing things at a wall, to see if anything sticks? Does one learn anything this way? Would you trust your brain to a surgeon who ignores all the detail and believes his texts an allegory to carving a celestial turkey?
J
That is just hilarious! I could harmonize Ezekiel with many other Bible verses of the millennium, have done so on CC, have never espoused anything but conservative and literal interpretation. But you're saying, the overnight expert, the king of symbols I just thunk up, that somebody else is making scripture say almost anything? You really are funny!
AND THUS the purpose for the 144,000 has always been to repopulate the Land of Israel with Mortals who are ALL Descendants of Israel. AND while they will live long like mankind in the beginning, they WILL EVENTUALLY DIE.
Isaiah 65:18-23 (ESV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] But be glad and rejoice forever in that which I create; for behold, I create Jerusalem to be a joy, and her people to be a gladness.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] I will rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in my people; no more shall be heard in it the sound of weeping and the cry of distress.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] No more shall there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, or an old man who does not fill out his days, for the young man shall die a hundred years old, and the sinner a hundred years old shall be accursed.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] They shall build houses and inhabit them; they shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] They shall not build and another inhabit; they shall not plant and another eat; for like the days of a tree shall the days of my people be, and my chosen shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] They shall not labor in vain or bear children for calamity, for they shall be the offspring of the blessed of the LORD, and their descendants with them.