Why do Atheists Bother?

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T_Laurich

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Don't admit you're wrong because I say you are... Admit you're wrong because the Bible, God's word says you are...

Biggest problem with evolution, is that it is a CULT! In order to read the bible correctly we have to then go to the "experts" have them tell us what it says than read it their way...

NO! THE BIBLE WAS MADE FOR ALL MAN! EVERYONE CAN UNDERSTAND!
 

T_Laurich

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Technically speaking, I am an agnostic-atheist. This means I do not believe in God, but I don't know for sure that he doesn't exist. Essentially, God may exist or he may not, I don't claim to have knowledge either which way but I personally don't believe he exists.

I believe God doesn't exist in the same way and for the same reasons as to why I believe Vishny doesn't exist, that Ra doesn't exist, that Zues doesn't exist, or that Thor doesn't exist.

The thing is, I'm okay with people saying "I don't know, but I believe God exists". But, when you reject the things that you can know to preserve your belief based on ignorance, that's when there's a problem. That's why evolutionary theists don't bother me. They don't let their personal beliefs get in the way of observable evidence.
Percepi, do you mind if I ask, what is the biggest proof that God does not exist? The single biggest proof, not a collective theory like evolution, but a single proof that is a smack down...

Edited, it was not a fallacy, I misread you. I apologize.
 
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God does not believe in atheist, therefore they do not exist.
 
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I wasn't providing an arguement. I was replying to another poster who implied that Pasteurs reasoning was flawed, and I was interested to know on what grounds he could say that.
Sorry, messed up. Didn't mean to post. Already addressed. Wish I could delete. :)
 
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God does not believe in atheist, therefore they do not exist.
T_Laurich ‘Liked’ your post, and I chuckled when I saw it too. However, you failed to insert a ‘Smiley’ so I am not certain of your intent. Besides, we all know atheists exist, even if God hasn't picked up on it yet. :)

Say Kerry, were you up all night?
 
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Kerry said:
God does not believe in atheist, therefore they do not exist.
There is more evidence of atheists existing than god existing.
I think Kerry is just pulling-our-leg; or more to the point, he is pushing-our-buttons.
 
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I apologize for the novel - I missed a large portion of the convo. Cycel covered a lot of your questions so I won't retread anything unless I feel I can add to his response or if I feel it necessary to reiterate something.
I do believe that restating the matter a different way sometimes helps a person to understand. It works for me, anyway. :)
 
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Percepi, do you mind if I ask, what is the biggest proof that God does not exist? The single biggest proof, not a collective theory like evolution, but a single proof that is a smack down...
I'd like to chime in.

First, evolution is not a proof against the existence of God. Few people advance evolution as a support for atheism, despite what many creationists appear to think.

Second, is it really possible to prove a negative? That is, is it possible to demonstrate something does not exist, when in fact it really does not exist? How does one go about proving, for example, that fairies do not exist? I think all we can do in that regard is appeal to reason.

In my case there were a small number of questions that got the ball of skepticism rolling. When I began to examine the issue of God's existence more closely I could not find anything to support the premise. In addition to that God never reached out to me personally, despite my prayers that he do so. Then, to top it off, I discovered actions taken by the deity, in the Old Testament, that seemed contrary to what I expected from a God of Love (Yahweh ordering the destruction of the Canaanites to create lebensraum, or living space, for the Hebrews, for example).

Is there a knock-out punch hidden up my sleeve? No. There is simply an absence of any reason at all to believe.
 
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Dan_473

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In my case there were a small number of questions that got the ball of skepticism rolling.
Hi Cycel!

If I may obeserve, and I'm interested in getting your input on this, you seem skeptical of some things and not others.
You are skeptical of God. OK. Then you are willing to believe that you have the ability to choose, when there is no evidence, based on observation and experimentation, that we have such ability... ?
 

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Why is it atheists insist on trying to prove things based on theory, when theory is basically just an opinion, because there is no proof to substantiate the claim?

Look around you, and you will see the proof that Elohim does exist, and that His Word is Truth, and was made flesh and dwelt among us. Here's some PROOF to consider too...


Did Yahushua really exist?
Did Yahushua exist?

Shroud of Turin (Burial cloth of Yahushua)

Tomb of Yahushua

Ark of The Covenant

Noah’s ark

Sodom and Gomorrah

The Red Sea Crossing

Mount Sinai

Current study: Exodus
 
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Why is it atheists insist on trying to prove things based on theory, when theory is basically just an opinion, because there is no proof to substantiate the claim?

Look around you, and you will see the proof that Elohim does exist, and that His Word is Truth, and was made flesh and dwelt among us. Here's some PROOF to consider too...


Did Yahushua really exist?
Did Yahushua exist?

Shroud of Turin (Burial cloth of Yahushua)

Tomb of Yahushua

Ark of The Covenant

Noah’s ark

Sodom and Gomorrah

The Red Sea Crossing

Mount Sinai

Current study: Exodus
I take it you haven't done much research into those links. Just spend five minutes independently researching each one and you'll soon come to the conclusion that this is not proof in any way shape or form.
 
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Hi Cycel!

If I may obeserve, and I'm interested in getting your input on this, you seem skeptical of some things and not others.
You are skeptical of God. OK. Then you are willing to believe that you have the ability to choose, when there is no evidence, based on observation and experimentation, that we have such ability... ?
I think you are viewing this the wrong way. The research states that it appears our brain knows what we are going to do an instant before we become aware we have made the decision. It is still our own brain making the decision. In essence we are still choosing. A friend called me around 9 AM this morning to ask if I wanted to go for a walk. I hesitated because I was in the middle of posting, then decided, “What the heck. The post can wait.” No matter how you cut it, it was my brain that made the decision. I chose to go for a walk with her. Nothing else makes sense.

Let me ask you. If you think the decision was not made by my brain, and so by me, then were did the decision come from? Are you saying in essence that the decision not to believe in God did not originate from me?
 

T_Laurich

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I'd like to chime in.

First, evolution is not a proof against the existence of God. Few people advance evolution as a support for atheism, despite what many creationists appear to think.

Second, is it really possible to prove a negative? That is, is it possible to demonstrate something does not exist, when in fact it really does not exist? How does one go about proving, for example, that fairies do not exist? I think all we can do in that regard is appeal to reason.

In my case there were a small number of questions that got the ball of skepticism rolling. When I began to examine the issue of God's existence more closely I could not find anything to support the premise. In addition to that God never reached out to me personally, despite my prayers that he do so. Then, to top it off, I discovered actions taken by the deity, in the Old Testament, that seemed contrary to what I expected from a God of Love (Yahweh ordering the destruction of the Canaanites to create lebensraum, or living space, for the Hebrews, for example).

Is there a knock-out punch hidden up my sleeve? No. There is simply an absence of any reason at all to believe.
I understand that many people are not athiests even tho they believe in evolution.

Yes it is possible to prove a negative... For instance, the Greek gods are false... How do i know this? Well when we traveled outside of the earth there was no man holding it up... When we climbed Mt. Olympus there was no gods up there... We now know that Apollos does not pull the sun around the earth, therefore he does not exist as well. The greek gods are not interdenominational, their own texts say this... so we know either they are here or they do not exist... Conclusion is then made they do not exist...

The Mormon god says if there is one false prophecy then the person is not a prophet and does not speak for God... Joseph Smith said one of his followers was to be on a mission in the spring, but that winter during a battle he got shot and died, never to go on his mission. Joseph Smith prophesied in the 1800's that unless USA repents for what they have done to the Mormons that God would smite them and make Joseph Smith President... He died and USA has never repented... Joseph Smith said that his youngest son was to become next prophet directly after him... Jospeh Smith died before the child was 5, likewise Brigham Young became prophet, and his youngest son never did.... There are many more...
Joseph Smith wrote the book of mormon claiming he was speaking for God... But according to his own words, he was not... Thus Mormonism/LDS is not true and their god is fake.

No offence but that defence "you cannot prove a negative" is not true.


And I am afraid I am going to have to paraphrase your life to see if I got it correct, if I didn't then point it out. You don't believe in God because he did not answer you, and then you didn't like His personality... Is this correct?

Ps thanks for replying I love talking to atheists about their beliefs... :) Oh and Kerry is correct there is no such thing as an atheist, if you need proof just ask :). I can prove in 2 ways, logically, or scientifically.
 
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T_Laurich

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I take it you haven't done much research into those links. Just spend five minutes independently researching each one and you'll soon come to the conclusion that this is not proof in any way shape or form.
How is the red sea crossing not a proof?
 
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T_Laurich

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I am off to church... I would stay but frankly I am more excited to go to church... And that is saying a lot since debating about God is my third favorite thing on this earth. :)