Muhammad or Jesus?

[Bowman]

Maybe you should take that up with the Muslims and see how far you get.

I do all the time...

 

[Bowman]

How can we state that because " Muhammad is a epithet of 'Jesus' Christ, we should acknowledge him and profess him to be a prophet without really studying the true biblical history and genealogy of Muhammad? Christ's blood line is an offshoot to the line of David, who is from the tribe of Judah. Therefore , he cam from the offshoot of Jacob and Isaac. However Mohammed's bloodline is traced to Ishmael. This is a problem because ONLY the SEED of Issac was only blessed with prophet hood which would claim Mohammed's prophet hood to be null and void. GOD does not instill a promise and blessing and then change the rules. Ishmael was only blessed with a great land hos seed will be princes , 12 princes to be exact to come from him and to be fruitful (many children)

According to no known scripture.

Islam invented the external 'Muhammad' that they ignorantly promote to this very day.

The Koranic 'Muhammad' is the one to which I refer, and the one to which is an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ...

 

[3Scoreand10]

Why would you face persecution and possible death in the United States for being a Christians? Perhaps this would be true if your were a professing homosexual Christian.

There is no such person as a homosexual Christian.

 

[crossnote]

I do all the time...

I've watched several outstanding Islam/Christian debates, involving Muslim scholars as well, but your point is never brought up, why not?

 

[Kerry]

They still march around the Cauppa ( prolaly ditn spel that rite) in Mecca and worship it as it once held all the pagan gods.

 

[AbbeyJoy]

I would just Pray out loud to Jesus..I be scared but I would just yell for Him to come for me..

 

[SpiritofElijah]

The best way to show that Jesus is real. Is to demonstrate the Gospel not with enticing words but with Power and demonstration of the Holy Spirit. When they see that the true God of abraham issac and jacob still heals the sick raises the dead clenses the lepers and cast our devils. Then they are not only hearing the truth but they see it with their very own eyes!

 

[Chopper]

As quoted from wikipedia;

Jesus (/ˈdʒiːzəs/; Greek: ἸησοῦςIesous; 7–2 BC to 30–33 AD), also referred to as Jesus of Nazareth, is the central figure of Christianity,[SUP][12][/SUP] whom the teachings of most Christian denominations hold to be the Son of God. Christianity regards Jesus as the awaited Messiah (or "Christ") of the Old Testament and refers to him as Jesus Christ,[SUP][e][/SUP] a name that is also used in non-Christian contexts.Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,[SUP][f][/SUP] although the quest for the historical Jesus has produced little agreement on the historical reliability of the Gospels and on how closely the biblical Jesus reflects the historical Jesus.[SUP][19][/SUP] Most scholars agree that Jesus was a Jewish rabbi from Galilee who preached his message orally,[SUP][20][/SUP] was baptized by John the Baptist, and was crucified in Jerusalem on the orders of the Roman prefect, Pontius Pilate.[SUP][21][/SUP] Scholars have constructed various portraits of the historical Jesus, which often depict him as having one or more of the following roles: the leader of an apocalyptic movement, Messiah, a charismatic healer, a sage and philosopher, or an egalitariansocial reformer.[SUP][22][/SUP] Scholars have correlated the New Testament accounts with non-Christian historical records to arrive at an estimated chronology of Jesus' life. The most widely usedcalendar era in the world (abbreviated as "AD", alternatively referred to as "CE"), counts from a medieval estimate of the birth year of Jesus.
Christians believe that Jesus has a "unique significance" in the world.[SUP][23][/SUP] Christian doctrines include the beliefs that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Spirit, was born of a virgin, performed miracles, founded the Church, died by crucifixion as a sacrifice to achieve atonement, rose from the dead, and ascended into heaven, whence he will return.[SUP][24][/SUP] The great majority of Christians worship Jesus as the incarnation of God the Son, the second of three persons of a Divine Trinity. A few Christian groups reject Trinitarianism, wholly or partly, as non-scriptural.
In Islam, Jesus (commonly transliterated as Isa) is considered one of God's important prophets and the Messiah.[SUP][25][/SUP] To Muslims, Jesus is a bringer of scripture and was born of a virgin, but neither the Son of God nor the victim of crucifixion. According to the Quran, Jesus was not crucified but was physically raised into the heavens by God.[SUP][26][/SUP]Judaismrejects the Christian and Islamic belief that Jesus was the awaited Messiah, arguing that he did not fulfill the Messianic prophecies in the Tanakh.

Muḥammad (Arabic: محمد‎; c. 570 – 8 June 632[SUP][1][/SUP]), full nameAbū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim (ابو القاسم محمد ابن عبد الله ابن عبد المطلب ابن هاشم), from Mecca, unified Arabia into a single religious polity under Islam. Believed by Muslims as well as Bábists and Bahá'ís to be a messenger and prophet of God, Muhammad is almost universally[SUP][n 1][/SUP] considered by Muslims as the last prophet sent by God to mankind.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][n 2][/SUP] While non-Muslims generally regard Muhammad as the founder of Islam,[SUP][3][/SUP] Muslims consider him to have restored the unaltered original monotheistic faith of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets in Islam.[SUP][4][/SUP][SUP][5][/SUP][SUP][6][/SUP][SUP][7][/SUP] Muslims discuss Muhammad and other prophets of God with reverence, adding the phrase "peace be upon them" whenever their names are mentioned.[SUP][8][/SUP]Born in about 570 CE in the Arabian city of Mecca,[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][10][/SUP] Muhammad was orphaned at an early age; he was raised under the care of his paternal uncle Abu Talib. After his childhood Muhammad primarily worked as a merchant.[SUP][11][/SUP] Occasionally he would retreat to a cave in the mountains for several nights of seclusion and prayer; later, at age 40, he reported at this spot,[SUP][9][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] that he was visited by Gabriel and received his first revelation from God. Three years after this event Muhammad started preaching these revelations publicly, proclaiming that "God is One", that complete "surrender" (lit. islām) to Him is the only way (dīn)[SUP][n 3][/SUP] acceptable to God, and that he was a prophet and messenger of God, in the same vein as other Islamic prophets.[SUP][13][/SUP][SUP][14][/SUP][SUP][15][/SUP]
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Interesting finds here...
First of all, we see that this "Muhammad" did not even come until some 540 years after the biblical ha'Mashiah.
In fact, I've even heard that some of the Bible is copied over into the Koran...

Next up, this "Jesus" is a translation from the Greek word Iesous. Now if I'm not mistaken, this is in reference to a Greek god named Zeus, or a horse. I'll let you do the research on that yourself.

Looks like both of these just might be some sort of deception to cause the people for forget the true name of ha'Mashiah for other gods. Check Jer. 23:26-27 and Hosea 2:16 this has been going on for a long time, that people have been forgetting the name of Yah for Ba'al. Romans 2:24 shows this to being continued even after Yahushua came and paid the price for us that was required by the law that we might be free.

Consider this, when a person of importance goes to another country, is that persons' name "translated" to the language of that country? Why is it that the most important person in the world, who did not agree to have His name "translated" getting His name changed to some version other than His true name, which the Word clearly states that "by no other name shall man be saved"?

 

[Kerry]

The muslim agenda is convert or die it may not have started that way but what it has become.

 

[Bowman]

I've watched several outstanding Islam/Christian debates, involving Muslim scholars as well, but your point is never brought up, why not?

Ignorance.

On both sides.

I independently came to the conclusion years ago that the Koranic 'Muhammad' referred to the Biblical Jesus Christ.

There is absolutely NO doubt.

Since then, there have been several other scholars arriving at the same conclusion.

 

[Bowman]

In fact, I've even heard that some of the Bible is copied over into the Koran...

Some of it....?!

99% of it was copied from the Holy Bible.

>75% from the Biblical Book of Revelation, alone...

 

[twotwo]

The Koranic 'Muhammad' is, in fact, an epithet representing the Biblical Jesus Christ!

Thus...if put in that situation, it is entirely appropriate to profess 'Muhammad'!

This is the quintessential example of where ignorance kills.

It is an absolute atrocity for loss of life at the hands of ignorant Islamic tards, when they can easily be overcome with just a little bit of knowledge.

Come on people....

The epithet of Jesus is Love but the epithet of Mohammed is hatred.

Jesus respected our freewill but Mohammed threatened to kill those not following him….

Jesus had compassion of those who suffer but Mohammed had no mercy for others…

Jesus teach us to love even our enemies but Mohammed taught to murder…

Jesus came to deliver us from sin but Mohammed came to enslave the world…

Jesus took care of the sick and those suffering but Mohammed caused suffering…

Jesus came to give us life but Mohammed came to kill and destroy…

Jesus did good deeds during his life but Mohammed did evil…

Jesus was pure but Mohammed abused a 9-year-old girl…

Jesus never lied but Mohammed lied from the beginning…

Jesus is alive but Mohammed is death forever…

Jesus will bring back to life his sheep because he love us… It is a certainty that there is no darkness in light!

Shame on you Bowman for your deceptive words against our beloved Lord!

 

[Bowman]

The epithet of Jesus is Love but the epithet of Mohammed is hatred.

Jesus respected our freewill but Mohammed threatened to kill those not following him….

Jesus had compassion of those who suffer but Mohammed had no mercy for others…

Jesus teach us to love even our enemies but Mohammed taught to murder…

Jesus came to deliver us from sin but Mohammed came to enslave the world…

Jesus took care of the sick and those suffering but Mohammed caused suffering…

Jesus came to give us life but Mohammed came to kill and destroy…

Jesus did good deeds during his life but Mohammed did evil…

Jesus was pure but Mohammed abused a 9-year-old girl…

Jesus never lied but Mohammed lied from the beginning…

Jesus is alive but Mohammed is death forever…

Jesus will bring back to life his sheep because he love us… It is a certainty that there is no darkness in light!

Shame on you Bowman for your deceptive words against our beloved Lord!

We are talking about the Koranic 'Muhammad'...NOT the fictitious Islamic 'Muhammad', of which, you bought into....hook...line...and sinker...

Come on...

 

[crossnote]

Ignorance.

On both sides.

I independently came to the conclusion years ago that the Koranic 'Muhammad' referred to the Biblical Jesus Christ.

There is absolutely NO doubt.

Since then, there have been several other scholars arriving at the same conclusion.

Mohammed referred to the biblical Jesus, so? He obviously didn't believe in Him.

 

[Bowman]

Mohammed referred to the biblical Jesus, so? He obviously didn't believe in Him.

No one named 'Muhammad' had anything at all to do with the composition of the Koran.

You are buying into Islamic lies...

 

[CRC]

God will not forsake us!!
35 Who will separate us from the love of the Christ? Will tribulation or distress or persecution or hunger or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 Just as it is written: “For your sake we are being put to death all day long; we have been accounted as sheep for slaughtering.” 37 On the contrary, in all these things we are coming off completely victorious through the one who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life nor angels nor governments nor things now here nor things to come nor powers 39 nor height nor depth nor any other creation will be able to separate us from God’s love that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

 

[crossnote]

Mohammed referred to the biblical Jesus, so? He obviously didn't believe in Him.

No one named 'Muhammad' had anything at all to do with the composition of the Koran.

You are buying into Islamic lies...

I said "REFERRED TO" I was only quoting you.

"I independently came to the conclusion years ago that the Koranic 'Muhammad' referred to the Biblical Jesus Christ."

So maybe it is you who have bought into a pack of lies?

 

[Utah]

Ahhh, the religion of pieces at it again.

Our young brethren shall indeed be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven for standing so immensely firm in their faith in Jesus. God bless them!

 

[john832]

Why would you face persecution and possible death in the United States for being a Christians? Perhaps this would be true if your were a professing homosexual Christian.

Well, Cycel, just hang around a few years and it will become evident.

 

[JesusIsAll]

And the bottom line in Christianity is Islam denies the gospel, the Son, His deity, God's blood atonement, etc. The Bible is clear on the demonic character of such a religion, no nexus between Islam and Christianity, Islam even making our Lord Jesus and His apostles liars,

1 John 2:22 Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son.

1 John 4:3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

What true Christian would have an inkling support for an antichrist lie? Who is the father of all such lies, that will damn souls? It's no wonder Muslims do what they do,

John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The Bible is far from silent on what Islam really is, the only matter remaining is whether you believe God and the gospel, or not.