Trinity?

[VCO]

eternal Father ,is better translated,"The Father of eterniy" meaning ,The eternal one. Jesus never claimed to be the Father, BUT, one with the Father. Jesus was not lying when He prayed to the Father, and said the Father is greater than I, and He claimed to be the I "Am" of the O.T.. The Heb. word for "one" in Deut. 6:4 is "achad, which ,means "one in plurality". We are one with all our fellow humans. Love Hoffco

John 10:30-31 (ASV)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] I and the Father are one.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] The Jews took up stones again to stone him.

John 14:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?

John 10:38 (HCSB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] But if I am doing them and you don’t believe Me, believe the works. This way you will know and understand that the Father is in Me and I in the Father.”

2 Corinthians 5:19 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

Philippians 2:6-7 (NKJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.

Your theory is BUSTED!

 

[ChristIsGod]

Bumped for Mr. Bowman and my posts begin on page 39 to save you time, Sir.

 

[newbirth]

Trinity is God because the Bible tells me so;

"Hereby know we that we dwell in Him, and He in us, because He hath given us of His Spirit. And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world."
-1 John 4:13,14

that does not say trinity is God....not even close .....

 

[Hizikyah]

1 John (Yahchanan) 5:7-8, "For there are three which testify: The Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three are of one accord."

1 John (Yahchanan) 5:7-8, "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."

Verses 5:7-8 -- In the King James Version and later renditions of the Latin Vulgate, the received Greek and Latin texts include the words: “ ...In heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth... ”. This text concerning the heavenly witness is not contained in any authentic Greek manuscript written earlier than the Fifteenth Century of this current era. It does not appear in any of the oldest Greek manuscripts; neither does it even appear in the earliest Latin translations. This text is not cited by any of the Greek or early Latin writers, even when the subject they wrote of would naturally have led them to appeal to its authority. The Emphatic Diaglott by Benjamin Wilson, Page 803, The Jerusalem Bible, New Testament, Page 419. Other scholars and researchers have frankly admitted that these words are a deliberate forgery that was never a part of the original inspired Holy Scriptures.

 

[Bowman]

Bumped for Mr. Bowman and my posts begin on page 39 to save you time, Sir.

I have already replied to many of your scriptural examples.

Pick your favorite verse (for your position) and lets discuss it...

 

[VCO]

that does not say trinity is God....not even close .....

BUT THIS CERTAINLY DOES:

John 2:19-22 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] Jesus answered and said to them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Then the Jews said, "It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in three days?"
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Therefore, when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which Jesus had said.

Acts 4:8-10 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, "Rulers of the people and elders of Israel:
[SUP]9 [/SUP] If we this day are judged for a good deed done to a helpless man, by what means he has been made well,
[SUP]10 [/SUP] let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole.

 

[Bowman]

I have already replied to many of your scriptural examples.

Pick your favorite verse (for your position) and lets discuss it...

Bump.......

 

[ChristIsGod]

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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I bumped this thread for you b/c you falsely accused.

No discussion desired, thank you!

 

[Bowman]

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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I bumped this thread for you b/c you falsely accused.

No discussion desired, thank you!

And I will petition the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may remain with you to the age, the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He abides with you and shall be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I am coming to you. Yet a little while and the world no longer sees Me, but you see Me. Because I live, you also shall live. In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. He that has My commandments and keeps them, it is that one who loves Me; and the one that loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and will reveal Myself to him. Judas said to Him, not the Iscariot, Lord, what has happened that You are about to reveal Yourself to us and not at all to the world? Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My Word, and My Father shall love him. And We will come to him and will make a dwelling place with him. The one who does not love Me does not keep My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father who sent Me. I have spoken these things to you, abiding with you; but the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and shall remind you of all things that I said to you. I leave peace to you; My peace I give to you. Not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be timid. You heard that I said to you, I am going away, and I am coming again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I said, I am going to the Father; for My Father is greater than I. And now I have told you before it occurs, that when it shall occur you may believe. I shall no longer speak many things with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. But that the world may know that I love the Father, even as the Father commanded Me, so I do. Rise up, let us go from here.(John 14.16 – 31)



As context reveals, that while The Comforter is sent in Jesus’ name, He is most definitely NOT Jesus.


Further, you just hamstrung yourself as context shows that Father, Son and Spirit are present with the believers.


This is The Trinity!

 

[Kerry]

The Seraphim cry Holy,Holy, Holy. Why 3

 

[ChristIsGod]

And I will petition the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may remain with you to the age, the Spirit of Truth, whom the world cannot receive because it does not see Him nor know Him. But you know Him, for He abides with you and shall be in you. I will not leave you orphans; I am coming to you. Yet a little while and the world no longer sees Me, but you see Me. Because I live, you also shall live. In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you. He that has My commandments and keeps them, it is that one who loves Me; and the one that loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and will reveal Myself to him. Judas said to Him, not the Iscariot, Lord, what has happened that You are about to reveal Yourself to us and not at all to the world? Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My Word, and My Father shall love him. And We will come to him and will make a dwelling place with him. The one who does not love Me does not keep My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father who sent Me. I have spoken these things to you, abiding with you; but the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He shall teach you all things and shall remind you of all things that I said to you. I leave peace to you; My peace I give to you. Not as the world gives I give to you. Let not your heart be troubled, nor let it be timid. You heard that I said to you, I am going away, and I am coming again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I said, I am going to the Father; for My Father is greater than I. And now I have told you before it occurs, that when it shall occur you may believe. I shall no longer speak many things with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me. But that the world may know that I love the Father, even as the Father commanded Me, so I do. Rise up, let us go from here.(John 14.16 – 31)



As context reveals, that while The Comforter is sent in Jesus’ name, He is most definitely NOT Jesus.


Further, you just hamstrung yourself as context shows that Father, Son and Spirit are present with the believers.


This is The Trinity!

You still don't read my posts. Why do you think I chose that verse and why did I post to this thread, that "the Absolute Co-Equality of The Three in One awes me to life." I started posting on this thread with the one verse that some call spurious yet I believe it should stay right where it is ... 1John 5:7 and that should have been enough to silence your lying accusations - and worse.
You're just looking for an argument -- not sure why but your modus operandi is familiar to me and I told you I do not want to discuss any topic with you because you came as near as blaspheming the Holy Spirit in your post to me on that other thread last week ... besides misrepresenting my stance on the Triune Godhead -- so argue all you want with me but after that post on that other thread last week - I won't respond to you again because I believe this acidic feeling that I'm feeling from you is just a bit more than from an overdose of OJ. There's something else going on with you and I'd advise you keep it at home and not tread near with your assumptions of other's experiences with His Spirit the day they got saved nor tell them what they believe when they've posted every Scripture that most would that believe in the Triune Godhead. I don't see a good ending for you if you persist in this manner. You don't treat the Brothers like a Christian would neither and that's well noted that you are an accuser of the brethren no matter what the topic is.
Keep whatever your thing is at home and solve things there first, before your pride leads you to an unexpected fall.
Safe travels, Bowman.

 

[Bowman]

You still don't read my posts. Why do you think I chose that verse and why did I post to this thread, that "the Absolute Co-Equality of The Three in One awes me to life." I started posting on this thread with the one verse that some call spurious yet I believe it should stay right where it is ... 1John 5:7 and that should have been enough to silence your lying accusations - and worse.

1 John 5.7 is NOT considered original scripture by all serious scholars who have bothered to study the extant manuscripts.

You're just looking for an argument -- not sure why but your modus operandi is familiar to me and I told you I do not want to discuss any topic with you because you came as near as blaspheming the Holy Spirit in your post to me on that other thread last week ...

Catholics need constant correction when it comes to matters concerning The Trinity.

 

[maxwel]

1 John 5.7 is NOT considered original scripture by all serious scholars who have bothered to study the extant manuscripts.







Catholics need constant correction when it comes to matters concerning The Trinity.

Wow.

So on the entire earth, there is not even ONE serious scholar who disagrees with you?

Not one on the whole planet?

Wow.

 

[ChristIsGod]

He's a psychopath, Maxwell .... Be careful - he'll call you a Mormon or a Catholic too and his teeth can come right through your screen, then you'd have to have it repaired somewhere ... LOL


Phew - I still can get over his 'style' - after all of this time .

 

[newbirth]

As context reveals, that while The Comforter is sent in Jesus’ name, He is most definitely NOT Jesus.


Further, you just hamstrung yourself as context shows that Father, Son and Spirit are present with the believers.


This is The Trinity!

[h=1]John 14:17-19King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.



the question is ...do you have the HS which is Christ in you?....or is the HS and Christ two separate entities?
you see bowman you deny Christ in you and the HS in you is one and the same

[h=1]2 Corinthians 3:16-18King James Version (KJV)[/h] [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

 

[Bowman]

Wow.

So on the entire earth, there is not even ONE serious scholar who disagrees with you?

Not one on the whole planet?

Wow.

You can trying googling for one...

 

[ChristIsGod]

And "the Holy Spirit" is also called "the Spirit of God" and "the Spirit of Christ" --- doesn't take a lot of figuring about this stuff unless you've been brain-washed by some early church 'father'.

 

[Bowman]

John 14:17-19King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.



the question is ...do you have the HS which is Christ in you?....or is the HS and Christ two separate entities?
you see bowman you deny Christ in you and the HS in you is one and the same

2 Corinthians 3:16-18King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.
[SUP]17[/SUP]Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Why do you insist on posting Trinitarian renderings if you reject The Trinity?

You are simply promoting my position...NOT yours...rotflol....!

 

[Bowman]

And "the Holy Spirit" is also called "the Spirit of God" and "the Spirit of Christ" --- doesn't take a lot of figuring about this stuff unless you've been brain-washed by some early church 'father'.

Scripture....?

 

[ChristIsGod]

Are you serious?