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Based on what evidence? That's an conclusion based on the assumption that the Genesis narrative is a literal account of the origins of the biosphere. Geological evidence indicates a much longer time-table between the formation of the earth and the present. Fossil evidence indicates a gradual diversification of the species.
You're still trying to argue from a position of special foreknowledge, which is inherently unscientific. Science must be able to observe evidence before it can postulate on an explanation, and there is no possible way to observe an instantaneous act of Creation at a remote point in the past. All we can do is look at the fossils and rocks and give our best guess. And based on the evidence, the best guess that makes up our current understanding is a gradual diversification through genetic selection. Even if science has it wrong, it is not possible to change the current theories without a solid base of evidence against it or convincing evidence of a replacement theory.
You're still trying to argue from a position of special foreknowledge, which is inherently unscientific. Science must be able to observe evidence before it can postulate on an explanation, and there is no possible way to observe an instantaneous act of Creation at a remote point in the past. All we can do is look at the fossils and rocks and give our best guess. And based on the evidence, the best guess that makes up our current understanding is a gradual diversification through genetic selection. Even if science has it wrong, it is not possible to change the current theories without a solid base of evidence against it or convincing evidence of a replacement theory.
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Brackenzee, you have been mislead.
Strata are dated from fossils and fossils are dated from strata. This is circular reasoning and proves nothing.
There are issues to do with carbon dating related to the fact that the speed of light is decaying among other things.
When I studied logic at uni we used to talk about different types of proofs. These include 'proof by cases' and proof by contradition'
2 things that PROVE that the Earth is only young are oil wells and the magnetic field.
The incredible pressure found in oil and gas wells indicates they have been there less than 15,000 years. (Presumably, the oil or gas would have escaped long before then.)
Direct measurements of the earths magnetic field over the past 140 years show a steady and rapid decline in its strength. This decay pattern is consistent with the theoretical view that there is an electrical current inside the earth which produces the magnetic field. If this view is correct, then 25,000 years ago the electrical current would have been so vast that the earth's structure could not have survived the heat produced.
Strata are dated from fossils and fossils are dated from strata. This is circular reasoning and proves nothing.
There are issues to do with carbon dating related to the fact that the speed of light is decaying among other things.
When I studied logic at uni we used to talk about different types of proofs. These include 'proof by cases' and proof by contradition'
2 things that PROVE that the Earth is only young are oil wells and the magnetic field.
The incredible pressure found in oil and gas wells indicates they have been there less than 15,000 years. (Presumably, the oil or gas would have escaped long before then.)
Direct measurements of the earths magnetic field over the past 140 years show a steady and rapid decline in its strength. This decay pattern is consistent with the theoretical view that there is an electrical current inside the earth which produces the magnetic field. If this view is correct, then 25,000 years ago the electrical current would have been so vast that the earth's structure could not have survived the heat produced.
Well I won't deny that I'm going through a difficult period right now, so in that much you're correct. However, I'm thinking that you had something rather different in mind.
Still, my point stands in Greatkraw's case, and is even magnified with you; your ability to appreciate things beyond your conception is so small that rather than believing in the reality that God created, you have convinced yourself that reality itself is vastly different than it actually is, and moreover that you are uniquely cognizant of a massive satantic deception that has beguiled the world scientifically as well as spiritually.
Still, my point stands in Greatkraw's case, and is even magnified with you; your ability to appreciate things beyond your conception is so small that rather than believing in the reality that God created, you have convinced yourself that reality itself is vastly different than it actually is, and moreover that you are uniquely cognizant of a massive satantic deception that has beguiled the world scientifically as well as spiritually.
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'Brackenzee', the reality is that the Bible account is true, we did not 'evolve' from slime by blind chance and rogue mutant genes over billions of years, that, no matter who calls it 'science', is not, it is not scientifically true, the Bible version of Genesis is scienifically accurate, if you don't believe that, than you are decieved, the first chance Satan got and he questioned God's word; "did God say?", it's doubt, Satan sows the seed of doubt, and he has been given dominion over this earth so he can foster that doubt; all kingdoms, governments, institutions are controlled by Satan and he has had thousands of year to prepare his illusions, they are very sophisticated, he is a formidable adversary, he is supernatural, vast knowledge, superior intellect, he is an arch angel, do not underestimate Satan's powers.
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This is where we need to define our terms and verify our references.
One of the great traps believers fall into is to converse with someone who is deliberately using a word differently than they are.
I rigidly define Evolution as a continuous progress from one form or species to another by form of positive mutation. From one generation to another. Over a prescribes elapse of time.
This is different, for example, from Natural Selection(as I define it)
Growing from child to adult does not fit this definition.
One of the great traps believers fall into is to converse with someone who is deliberately using a word differently than they are.
I rigidly define Evolution as a continuous progress from one form or species to another by form of positive mutation. From one generation to another. Over a prescribes elapse of time.
This is different, for example, from Natural Selection(as I define it)
Growing from child to adult does not fit this definition.
can i just put something oin here:
the year is 2009!
it is 2009 years after jesus being on Earth.
choose what you want to belive but i personally think that the world wasnt THAT old before Jesus came
maybe 10,000 or 8/6,000!
thats my opinion like and i think, judging by Adrians posts, that he is thinkiong along the same way of thinking
- i could be wrong howeverbut i firmily belive the world is less than 10,000years old
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The world has been deceived by a pantheistic world view whose esoteric daughter is the theory of evolution. Pantheism and Budhism say man can spiritually evolve without a Creator and the theory of evolution says everything evolved without a Creator, the esoteric connection between those views is real. So nothing happens by evolution or by chance, everything has a cause, and there`s no older and greater cause than God our Creator.
What on earth does evolution have to do with pantheism? You're making connections up out of your rear end.
Which is entirely not what I'm arguing for. I don't believe in blind chance; I believe God knows what he's doing.
Yeah, because the sky is solid and the sun, moon, and stars, are attached to it.
Ever notice how the people who accuse others of being deceived by Satan never wonder if perhaps they're the ones being deceived?
Tt. Please don't try and scare me into believing your nonsense. You can barely form a coherent argument and resort to using the theories of liars and failures to argue your points.
Which is entirely not what I'm arguing for. I don't believe in blind chance; I believe God knows what he's doing.
Yeah, because the sky is solid and the sun, moon, and stars, are attached to it.
Ever notice how the people who accuse others of being deceived by Satan never wonder if perhaps they're the ones being deceived?
Tt. Please don't try and scare me into believing your nonsense. You can barely form a coherent argument and resort to using the theories of liars and failures to argue your points.
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