A Perspective on Evolution

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I believe that man was:

  • Created in one day by God

    Votes: 19 63.3%
  • Created by God over millions of years via evolution

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Created accidentally by random processes over millions of years

    Votes: 3 10.0%
  • Created by extraterrestrials in an alien lab

    Votes: 2 6.7%
  • Other

    Votes: 3 10.0%

  • Total voters
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Such faith in men is touching. I suppose you believe tv commercials too.

We are talking about Godless men desparate to justify their deliberate ignoring of Him.
We are? Even the vast majority of Christian biologists accept evolutionary theory. And most atheists aren't deliberately ignoring God--they don't even believe He exists!
 
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We are? Even the vast majority of Christian biologists accept evolutionary theory. And most atheists aren't deliberately ignoring God--they don't even believe He exists!

majority rules - gotcha
 

superdave5221

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...What are you talking about? There are numerous lines of evidence for it.
What? No it's not! There are hundreds, if not thousands, of creation stories throughout the history of the world, and there are (discredited) scientific theories about the origin of species that don't involve evolution. You're creating another false dichotomy.
I've already mentioned the link between reptiles and birds. They've also discovered fossils that seem to be the intermediary stages between fish and amphibians and between amphibians and reptiles.
Once again, how could it not have done so? God wanted to create a biosphere full of life on this planet. The proteins had no choice but to come together.
Darwin's theory has been revised, sure, but if evolutionary theory had fallen apart, then scientists would have rejected it and research would have continued along a different line.

I must have missed your posts on the missing links. There is no links between reptiles and birds. If you are speaking of the Archaeopteryx, it has been proven by palentologists to be a true bird. Evolutionists have not found a fishibian! And what are these numerous lines of evidence?
 
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I must have missed your posts on the missing links. There is no links between reptiles and birds. If you are speaking of the Archaeopteryx, it has been proven by palentologists to be a true bird. Evolutionists have not found a fishibian! And what are these numerous lines of evidence?
Click my link, that's what it's there for.

As for Archaeopteryx, yes it is a true bird. And it's a bird that has more in common with dinosaurs than with modern birds.
 

superdave5221

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You say the vast majority Christian biologists believe evolution. I would like to know where you got that one from. The following statement is at the top of a document that has been signed by 761 (as of Aug. 2008) scientists from major universities all over the world.

We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.

The evidence of intelligence coded in the DNA of all life along with irreducable complexity, biological machines and the complex structure of the cell, among other things is dismantling NeoDarwinism one brick at a time. You may want to hold onto it for as long as you like, but hopefully your grandchildren will one day consider it a quaint idea as it will be totally discredited.
 

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Click my link, that's what it's there for.

As for Archaeopteryx, yes it is a true bird. And it's a bird that has more in common with dinosaurs than with modern birds.
I clicked on the link, but didn't want to waste too much of my time on propaganda. If a true link had really been discovered, I would not have learned it here. It would be on every major news network, and every newspaper in the world. They have been searching for almost 200 years and haven't been able to discover one. It WOULD be BIG news.
 
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You say the vast majority Christian biologists believe evolution. I would like to know where you got that one from. The following statement is at the top of a document that has been signed by 761 (as of Aug. 2008) scientists from major universities all over the world.

We are skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged.
ChristianEvolutionists.

761 scientists signed the document; great. There are 3.5 Million scientists and engineers in the United States alone. They're gonna need some more signatures if they want to get anything accomplished.
 
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I clicked on the link, but didn't want to waste too much of my time on propaganda. If a true link had really been discovered, I would not have learned it here. It would be on every major news network, and every newspaper in the world. They have been searching for almost 200 years and haven't been able to discover one. It WOULD be BIG news.
It was big news.

In 1861.
 

superdave5221

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ChristianEvolutionists.

761 scientists signed the document; great. There are 3.5 Million scientists and engineers in the United States alone. They're gonna need some more signatures if they want to get anything accomplished.
At first there was only Galileo and Copernicus. (heliocentrism)

At first there was only Jesus and the 12.

The truth has a way of spreading.
 

superdave5221

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I was referring to the Archaeopteryx. -_-

Ok. I feel sorry for you now. You are holding on to one supposed link that has been discredited? That's all the evolutionists could come up with in 200 years.

By the way, there was another. The coelacanth was supposed to be a missing link between the fish and amphibians. It was purported to have been extinct for millions of years, but was discovered very much alive in 1938. It has been roundly disqualified.

God has given us many ways to know Him. Through His Word, the Holy Spirit within us, and through our love and service to each other. But I believe that God has also given us science, that we may know Him from an intellectual means as well. He has allowed us to explore the outer reaches of the universe, (through a transparent atmosphere and from a relatively unobstructed place in the Milky Way Galaxy). He has allowed us to explore the inner workings of the cell, and of atoms. Why? To glorify Him! And that is what we should have in mind when exploring science.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands. 2 Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. 3 There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. 4 Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world.
 
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I must have missed your posts on the missing links. There is no links between reptiles and birds. If you are speaking of the Archaeopteryx, it has been proven by palentologists to be a true bird. Evolutionists have not found a fishibian! And what are these numerous lines of evidence?
there is a living bird in sth america with the same characteristics ie claw on wing
 
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Ok. I feel sorry for you now. You are holding on to one supposed link that has been discredited? That's all the evolutionists could come up with in 200 years.
Are you serious? Are you playing stupid or something? There are thousands and thousands of transitional fossils. Archeopteryx is just one of them, and it has not been discredited. Whoever told you that is lying to you.
By the way, there was another. The coelacanth was supposed to be a missing link between the fish and amphibians. It was purported to have been extinct for millions of years, but was discovered very much alive in 1938. It has been roundly disqualified.
Just because it isn't extinct doesn't mean that it's not a transitional form.
God has given us many ways to know Him. Through His Word, the Holy Spirit within us, and through our love and service to each other. But I believe that God has also given us science, that we may know Him from an intellectual means as well.
If you believe that God has given us science, then why are you acting as though scientists are incompetent?
He has allowed us to explore the outer reaches of the universe, (through a transparent atmosphere and from a relatively unobstructed place in the Milky Way Galaxy). He has allowed us to explore the inner workings of the cell, and of atoms. Why? To glorify Him! And that is what we should have in mind when exploring science.
Okay, that's great, but the purpose of science isn't the issue. And if we want to glorify God, and God loves truth, then is finding the truth not central to science? So when you repeat the lies of fanatical six-day creationists who believe that it's okay to fudge the facts to promote their agenda.... well, that's not glorifying God. That's doing the opposite.
 

superdave5221

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Are you serious? Are you playing stupid or something? There are thousands and thousands of transitional fossils. Archeopteryx is just one of them, and it has not been discredited. Whoever told you that is lying to you.

Just because it isn't extinct doesn't mean that it's not a transitional form.

If you believe that God has given us science, then why are you acting as though scientists are incompetent?

Okay, that's great, but the purpose of science isn't the issue. And if we want to glorify God, and God loves truth, then is finding the truth not central to science? So when you repeat the lies of fanatical six-day creationists who believe that it's okay to fudge the facts to promote their agenda.... well, that's not glorifying God. That's doing the opposite.
Most scientists aren't incompetent, they are just biased. I grow weary of a discussion in which you seem to be distracted, or in any case unable to concentrate on the discussion at hand. I've asked you repeatedly for examples of transitional forms and you have struggled to give me one. You admitted that the example you gave me was "all bird", i.e. cannot be a transitional form by definition, and now you tell me there are thousands and thousands, and yet you list NONE.

And then you have the audacity to state that scientists, who are interpreting data on the basis of God's Word, are liars, while wholeheartly trumpheting those secular scientists who despise God's Word. Please have something to support your argument the next time you post.
 
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I said this very recently in another thread, but it seems to fit here, also:

Isaac Asimov said that the Lord could have created a world in an instant that appeared, from a geological point of view, to be billions of years old, even though it was brand-new.
 
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Yeah I don't call cross-breeding evolution. Just as I don't say a brown baby is evolved when black man and white woman come together.

Snail I should clarify that I meant different genus within the species. Such as wolves, pack dogs, domestic dogs, puddles etc.
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution#Homo_habilis

really the information provided here should be more than enough. no one is trumpeting the views of what you see as scientists who despise Gods word. Modern science found its beginnings in religious scientists. einstien a clear example. science diverged from the church because the empirical data was not consistent with the churches ideas. there was no sinister plot. scientists seek the truth without preconcieved ideas. it is scientists who set out to prove such things as the 7 literal day theory that are at fault.

the scientific community has come to the consensus that the earth is about 4.5 billion years old
this is not so much a theory that can be disproven in a second. this is a model based on many forms of testing that are held in high confidence. the evidence is varied and there for all to see thanks to the internet.

the obvious point in regards to evolution that no, repeat NO, fossils of fully formed modern humans have been found past around 200000 years ago. what does that mean? that means that unless the collective homo sapien sapien species were hiding their dead, or the scientific community has merely missed the boat on this one, then the support of the argument is not complicated and well documented.
it is YOU that needs to provide some sort of proof other than the biblical verses if you want to contest this view point. as in why have we found Lucy and the australeopithicus, but not halloween type skeletons that look exactly like our skeletal make up today? are the evil scientists hiding all the bodies in the woods?
 
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there is plenty of evidence cited HERE Levite, including links

you have obviously never studied logic(which God invented)

ever heard of Proof By Cases

or Proof By Contradiction?
 
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i fail to see how a proof by cases can be applied in the instance you are referring too. please enlighten.
 
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