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Ah, so the origin of species is really not the origin? And the big bang is not part of the origin of species or of life?
In other words, evolutionists need a perfectly formed earth, with laws functioning and life already established to explain the origin of species?
What do I need that for, I have it already in 31 verses. Evolution demands a Creator to give it an established universe, earth and life then says "OK guys, we'll take it from here." Does that about sum it up?
In other words, evolutionists need a perfectly formed earth, with laws functioning and life already established to explain the origin of species?
What do I need that for, I have it already in 31 verses. Evolution demands a Creator to give it an established universe, earth and life then says "OK guys, we'll take it from here." Does that about sum it up?
And it was so awesome this occurred...
Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job 38:1 Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
Job 38:3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
Job 38:4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
It's impossible to attribute biological evolution to things that aren't biological. Clearly biological evolution requires biology. That's sort of the point of it being 'biological evolution'. It doesn't mean abiogenesis (a different theory) is false, or that there was an intelligent designer, or that life didn't arise from chemical circumstances. In fact, since all life is made up of chemicals, and since Earth at one point was molten rock incapable of supporting life, life MUST have come from chemicals one way or the other. Chemicals are what we all are made of: Carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, potassium, sulphur, sodium, chlorine, magnesium, phosphorus and calcium. You say God made life from the dirt, I say atoms became compounds became aminos became proteins became RNA and so forth. Either way, life came from chemicals and organisms are, like everything else in the universe, composed of chemicals.
Regarding the Big Bang (another separate theory), the laws of physics prove it. The universe is expanding, and with each moment it expands, thus each moment back in time it was slightly less expanded. Take that back exponentially and the universe gets smaller, to the point of singularity.
Science is not supposed to make claims about whether or not metaphysical circumstances dictated anything. It's a study of physical and observable things, and it is simply something that looks at evidence and forms pictures. I'm not here to disprove or prove God by science, because it's impossible. But I do think it's important to get people to understand, at least to some degree, that science is supposed to be an impartial, non-metaphysical, method of observation and experimentation with the physical and natural universe toward building a body of knowledge of the phenomena that occur, whether it be gravity, time, evolution, mathematics, the laws of physics, whatever. It's not a tool to disprove God, it's a tool to find out more about what we can observe, see, test, experiment with and discover about physical things.
God is metaphysical.
Regarding the Big Bang (another separate theory), the laws of physics prove it. The universe is expanding, and with each moment it expands, thus each moment back in time it was slightly less expanded. Take that back exponentially and the universe gets smaller, to the point of singularity.
Science is not supposed to make claims about whether or not metaphysical circumstances dictated anything. It's a study of physical and observable things, and it is simply something that looks at evidence and forms pictures. I'm not here to disprove or prove God by science, because it's impossible. But I do think it's important to get people to understand, at least to some degree, that science is supposed to be an impartial, non-metaphysical, method of observation and experimentation with the physical and natural universe toward building a body of knowledge of the phenomena that occur, whether it be gravity, time, evolution, mathematics, the laws of physics, whatever. It's not a tool to disprove God, it's a tool to find out more about what we can observe, see, test, experiment with and discover about physical things.
God is metaphysical.
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Actually read back what I wrote to you. I never said the Red Sea crossing didn't happen, I said asking me to show you tigers evolving into humans is like me asking you to prove to me that Mary parted the Red Sea. Evolution doesn't claim tigers evolved into humans, and the bible doesn't claim Mary parted the Red Sea. Do you actually read anything?
And so, you have no idea how life came about?
So, again, you need a starting point? but if you go back far enough this starting point came from nothing. At least that is what Stephen Hawking has recently proposed.
So, what you are saying is that the origin of the universe and life is metaphysical, but after it is established, rest assured, evolution is the mechanism that is the origin of species.
And you call the belief in creation metaphysics?
So, again, you need a starting point? but if you go back far enough this starting point came from nothing. At least that is what Stephen Hawking has recently proposed.
So, what you are saying is that the origin of the universe and life is metaphysical, but after it is established, rest assured, evolution is the mechanism that is the origin of species.
And you call the belief in creation metaphysics?
No, we need for there to be biological organisms in order to talk about biological evolution. Creation has nothing to do with science. Creation is based on belief in a metaphysical being. Science is the study of physical things, not metaphysical things. Evolution doesn't address the origin of life, it addresses the origin of species. Species are organisms that breed together, of which there are many. To talk about species, we require speciation, which takes hundreds of thousands of years. Evolutionary theory begins at speciation, not at the moments previous to the inception of life.
I have explained this maybe five times already, and you clearly aren't reading.
I have explained this maybe five times already, and you clearly aren't reading.
