Why do Atheists Bother?

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How did life come about. State it plainly.
Prebiotic natural development of life came about by molecules such as sugars and phosphates bonding to bring about the four RNA bases required for synthesis of complex proteins and eventually biological molecules. Early life catalysed the synthesis of protein molecules by RNA function using various phosphates, sugars and bases as they are abundant precursors in order to increase their complexity and bring about complex exchanges of electrons and further bonding to secondary structures that led to functions such as movement in response to stimuli for self preservation and eventually DNA driven cellular formation and reproduction.

Electrons and protons attract and repel each other in an incredibly various number of ways, is the simple answer.
 
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Well, again, you need fully formed species, life and you need a functioning universe to support it as well as laws to keep it functioning. In other words after all of this comes about, the theory will explain it from there.
Yes, the THEORY OF EVOLUTION. There are other theories to explain things before biological life.
 

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Prebiotic natural development of life came about by molecules such as sugars and phosphates bonding to bring about the four RNA bases required for synthesis of complex proteins and eventually biological molecules. Early life catalysed the synthesis of protein molecules by RNA function using various phosphates, sugars and bases as they are abundant precursors in order to increase their complexity and bring about complex exchanges of electrons and further bonding to secondary structures that led to functions such as movement in response to stimuli for self preservation and eventually DNA driven cellular formation and reproduction.

Electrons and protons attract and repel each other in an incredibly various number of ways, is the simple answer.
How did you molecules and sugar and protien get there?
 
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How did you molecules and sugar get there?
The entire universe is made of molecules, as are you. Sugar is just carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. It occurs naturally all over the universe.
 

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The entire universe is made of molecules, as are you. Sugar is just carbon, hydrogen and oxygen. It occurs naturally all over the universe.
But how did they get here? So they are in the universe, great but where did they evolve from?
 
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But how did they get here? So they are in the universe, great but where did they evolve from?
How did carbon, nitrogen and oxygen get in the universe? Abundant potential energy densely existent motionless without time, becoming potential energy in the form of stable matter and various types of non-matter radiation and waveforms. The universe at its most basic, fundamental level is all energy, colliding and interacting with other energies. Some theoretical physicists argue that energy in itself is a flawed concept, and the universe is nothing but a singular present event with many different aspects, thus nothing is a 'thing', but a 'happening'. This is getting into the theory that time is not an affliction but an intrinsic property of 'stuff'.

The nature of the universe isn't temporal as you envisage temporality. It is not deterministic, it is relative and therein lies your issue. You ask 'where did it come from', and I answer 'it always is'.
 

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How did carbon, nitrogen and oxygen get in the universe? Abundant potential energy densely existent motionless without time, becoming potential energy in the form of stable matter and various types of non-matter radiation and waveforms. The universe at its most basic, fundamental level is all energy, colliding and interacting with other energies. Some theoretical physicists argue that energy in itself is a flawed concept, and the universe is nothing but a singular present event with many different aspects, thus nothing is a 'thing', but a 'happening'. This is getting into the theory that time is not an affliction but an intrinsic property of 'stuff'.

The nature of the universe isn't temporal as you envisage temporality. It is not deterministic, it is relative.
If it is relative, how do you know they were there?

Where did energy come from?
 
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If it is relative, how do you know they were there?

Where did energy come from?
It always was and always will be. First law of thermodynamics, no energy can be created or destroyed, not under any circumstances, not ever. Energy can only ever change in form.
 

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It always was and always will be. First law of thermodynamics, no energy can be created or destroyed, not under any circumstances, not ever. Energy can only ever change in form.
So energy is eternal?
 
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So energy is eternal?
Yes, but not in your sense of eternal. There was a point when time didn't exist. You can't have temporal eternity without time, so it's just static. Nothingness in the sense that there's no motion, just potential energy. Quantum fluctuations result in release of the energy and self-catalyzation of the abundant energy results in further release, similar to how an explosion works.
 

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Yes, but not in your sense of eternal. There was a point when time didn't exist. You can't have temporal eternity without time, so it's just static. Nothingness in the sense that there's no motion, just potential energy. Quantum fluctuations result in release of the energy and self-catalyzation of the abundant energy results in further release, similar to how an explosion works.
So when it didn't exist, how did it get created? Is this from quantum flux?
 

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Yes, but not in your sense of eternal. There was a point when time didn't exist. You can't have temporal eternity without time, so it's just static. Nothingness in the sense that there's no motion, just potential energy. Quantum fluctuations result in release of the energy and self-catalyzation of the abundant energy results in further release, similar to how an explosion works.
How many senses of eternal are there?

Basically what you are saying here is "if you can't dazzle 'em with brilliance, baffle 'em with bull----"
 

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I call BS... butterscotch! LOL
 

john832

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It always existed. Just not in the same state it exists in today.
I will say one thing, you have a very strong faith there to believe in something like that...

Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,