Religious Con-Artists - Can They Fool Well Intentioned Christians?

[eternally-gratefull]

if people look to the top of the list of threads on this forum, there is already a catholic heresy thread open.. do we need another one? ripe with conspiracy theories?

 

[VCO]

if people look to the top of the list of threads on this forum, there is already a catholic heresy thread open.. do we need another one? ripe with conspiracy theories?

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To be honest with you, we did not need the First One. Thanks for your comments, the subject was getting derailed.

 

[yep]

Son, you have a lot of learning to do. Please get your theology from the BIBLE, and not from the comic books known as Chick Tracts.

Dont call me son .You are scum to me to be wiped off my boot. And do not forget which side of the great divide you inhabit please.You are my enemy. You are a liar. As all catholics are.As proved in this thread

 

[Jason0047]

We have to remember to love our enemies, my friend. For without love, we are nothing. In fact, the Scriptures say, he that does not love does not know God (1 John 4:8). In other words, attack the doctrine, church beliefs, and not the person.

 

[yep]

ok fair enough jason but in calling me son he is suggesting he is my father. which is a backdoor blasphemy.
I am not an effiminate christian as is fashionable these days.
I am an olde fashioned fighting protestant. I do not molly coddle these creatures because I have eyes to see what they are.
They are as far from the Body of Christ as the east is to the west.
If chriistians dont wake up to this fact today as their grandfathers were awake, they will find themselves in Catholic gulags within 20 years for their blindness

Bear in mind VCO was the mastermind behind this thread. A device to deceive christians on behalf of the deceiver

 

[Angela53510]

AND I KNOW MILLIONS OF PROTESTANTS, who have NO IDEA what the Catholic Catechism says ARE THEIR ACTUAL CATHOLIC BELIEFS THAT ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TAUGHT BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, and YET, those same protestants, will in ignorance, pass judgement on the Catholics spouting assumed beliefs of the Catholics without really having the foggiest idea what their actual beliefs are that are printed in the Catholic Catechism.

OH HOW THEY LOVE TO HATE CATHOLICS!

May I suggest that anyone TEMPTED to spout anti-Catholic statements; actually sits down and READS the Catholic Catechism before spouting one more thing about Catholics, in ignorance. I read it through once, and have used it numerous times as a resource for referencing Catholic Beliefs. I can take a Baptist Doctrinal Statement of Faith and find the exact Parallel Statements in the Catholic Catechism. HERE LET HELP YOU ALL educate yourselves about genuine Catholic Beliefs, (instead of reciting bitter, hateful Protestant SUSPICIONS about what they believe), by posting a link to the Catholic Catechism: Catechism of the Catholic Church

NO I am not Catholic, not even an Ex-Catholic. But at least I gave them the courtesy of reading their Catechism to verify what they really teach and believe, before running off at the mouth spouting anti-Catholic statements. Yes I found things that I do not agree with, BUT I FOUND LOTS OF THINGS THAT ARE ABSOLUTE TRUTH too; ESPECIALLY THE CORE OF MAINLINE CHRISTIAN BELIEFS. I personally think their biggest fault is doing a poor job of teaching their congregations from the pulpits, exactly what they are taught in Seminary.

You have no idea how much study some of us Protestants have done about the Catholic Church. Nor do you know whatthe Catholic Church really believes!

I went through the Catechism before I was saved, searching for some kind of spirituality. But God saved me before I got sucked into that cult. And every "born again" Catholic believer I have met, is still trusting in the church to save them, not Jesus Christ.

As far as Christiology, and Catholic Church is right on target. But it turns into a cult, when you look closely at their soteriology. A Catholic us saved by the rituals and rites (sacraments) which only they can dole out to the faithful. The Bible is clear we at saved by Jesus Christ.

I have two close friends who came out of the Catholic Church. They say you have to leave if you really believe. And one led 6 Catholics to the Lord in the last three weeks. Because she and those people knew they weren't saved! And what a difference I see in them already.

 

[maxwel]

Note:

The above BLOCK QUOTE in Angela's post is not from me, it's from VCO.

Alright everyone, back to arguing.
: )

 

[Angela53510]

Note:

The above BLOCK QUOTE in Angela's post is not from me, it's from VCO.

Alright everyone, back to arguing.
: )

You weren't even posting! That is the second time today I "replied with quote" and the wrong name was on it.

Seems like there might be a bug in the mix!

 

[Reborn]

Note:

The above BLOCK QUOTE in Angela's post is not from me, it's from VCO.

Alright everyone, back to arguing.
: )

I was wondering that?
Alright, like he said......commence.

P.S.
I was wondering yep.....was Christ "effeminate" for telling us to talk to our brothers and sisters with love, then?
As you put it.

 

[maxwel]

No worries guys, things happen.

Alright, I'm going to exit before any blood gets on me.

: )

 

[yep]

I dont follow many of the popular versions of Christ Reborn.
I do not try to be like Jesus. I do not try to be anything but what he has made me.

The modern version of christianity is about compromise and peace.Obediance to men and accomodation of other races and religions. Even being reproved by Christian women is seen as acceptable under hippy Jesus.

I have a very different outlook and have been tempered through life for a fight.And am eager to take part.

I wouldn't dream of destroying the hippy Jesus of the 20 th century, even if I could.What is my one voice worth?
but by the same token, hippy Jesus has nothing to do with who I follow.

 

[Reborn]

I dont follow many of the popular versions of Christ Reborn.
I do not try to be like Jesus. I do not try to be anything but what he has made me.

The modern version of christianity is about compromise and peace.Obediance to men and accomodation of other races and religions. Even being reproved by Christian women is seen as acceptable under hippy Jesus.

I have a very different outlook and have been tempered through life for a fight.And am eager to take part.

I wouldn't dream of destroying the hippy Jesus of the 20 th century, even if I could.What is my one voice worth?
but by the same token, hippy Jesus has nothing to do with who I follow.

A lot have strong opinions on CC, I understand your passion....isn't there another way to tackle it all though?
My Dad is a stern Christian, my Sister is over the top.....I wanted and chose to land somewhere in the middle.
Be Well.

 

[Apostol2013]

We'll non sense and poopy pants hogwash , the body of Christ has no schism and is clean and undefined happy are those that watch their garments and guard their heart for they shall have the right to the tree of life happy are those that keep the commandments of God for they shall see God remember for the circumcision and circumcision have no availeth but rather by the obeying of the commandments of God quoted Paul the apostle . When the church moves away from these principles they become reprobates and such that practice lawlessness are as sodom and Gomorrah as Isaiah chapter one describes look at the situation world wide all the immorality it is because the world regards not tithe creator and the so called children are lacking in nourishment of knowledge wich is spirit it is the word of God . Undefiled undiluted truth

 

[VCO]

they would not be born again, and be priests.

The true gospel is heresy to the roman church, they would be asked to leave the church.

Many people look and act like christians, it does not mean they are.

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You are WRONG, I knew them long enough to SEE the Spiritual Fruit that they were bearing.

John 8:7-8 (ESV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] And as they continued to ask him, he stood up and said to them, “Let him who is without sin among you be the first to throw a stone at her.”
[SUP]8 [/SUP] And once more he bent down and wrote on the ground.

Romans 14:10 (HCSB)
[SUP]10 [/SUP] But you, why do you criticize your brother? Or you, why do you look down on your brother? For we will all stand before the tribunal of God.

Leviticus 19:14 (HCSB)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] You must not curse the deaf or put a stumbling block in front of the blind, but you are to fear your God; I am Yahweh.

2 Corinthians 6:3 (NIV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] We put no stumbling block in anyone's path, so that our ministry will not be discredited.

Ephesians 4:2-3 (ISV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] With all humility and gentleness, along with patience, accept one another in love.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Do your best to maintain the unity of the Spirit by means of the bond of peace.

Romans 10:14 (NKJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher?

Romans 10:17 (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. {The Word of GOD is taught from the pulpit in the Catholic Churches. HOW DARE THAT SOME PROTESTANTS puff themselves up with pride and say that teaching of the WORD in the Catholic Church IS a waste of time and will amount to NOTHING, because they do not teach everything the way we teach it.}

Isaiah 55:11 (GW)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] My word, which comes from my mouth, is like the rain and snow. It will not come back to me without results. It will accomplish whatever I want and achieve whatever I send it to do.”

Jude 1:19 (HCSB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] These people create divisions and are unbelievers, not having the Spirit.

Mark 9:38-42 (ASV)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] John said unto him, Teacher, we saw one casting out demons in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followed not us.
[SUP]39 [/SUP] But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man who shall do a mighty work in my name, and be able quickly to speak evil of me.
[SUP]40 [/SUP]For he that is not against us is for us.
[SUP]41 [/SUP] For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink, because ye are Christ's, verily I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
[SUP]42 [/SUP] And whosoever shall cause one of these little ones that believe on me to stumble, it were better for him if a great millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

I did not leave the Lutheran Church because somebody pushed me out, or because they put down my Lutheran Beliefs; if they had they tried, I would have dug in my heels and STAYED in the Lutheran Church. I left because I grew HUNGRY FOR MORE BIBLE TEACHING than I was getting in the Lutheran Church.

Christ recognized seven types of Churches in the first three Chapters of Revelation.
WHO ARE WE TO RECOGNIZE LESS?

QUOTE:

THE CORE BELIEFS OF MAINLINE CHRISTIANITY TAUGHT IN THE:

THE CATHOLIC CATECHISM:

. . .

105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."


. . .

107 The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."

. . .

II. "I Know Whom I Have Believed"[SUP]16[/SUP]

To believe in God alone

150 Faith is first of all a personal adherence of man to God. At the same time, and inseparably, it is a free assent to the whole truth that God has revealed. As personal adherence to God and assent to his truth, Christian faith differs from our faith in any human person. It is right and just to entrust oneself wholly to God and to believe absolutely what he says. It would be futile and false to place such faith in a creature.[SUP]17[/SUP]
To believe in Jesus Christ, the Son of God

151 For a Christian, believing in God cannot be separated from believing in the One he sent, his "beloved Son", in whom the Father is "well pleased"; God tells us to listen to him.[SUP]18[/SUP] The Lord himself said to his disciples: "Believe in God, believe also in me."[SUP]19[/SUP] We can believe in Jesus Christ because he is himself God, the Word made flesh: "No one has ever seen God; the only Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known."[SUP]20[/SUP] Because he "has seen the Father", Jesus Christ is the only one who knows him and can reveal him.[SUP]21[/SUP]
To believe in the Holy Spirit

152 One cannot believe in Jesus Christ without sharing in his Spirit. It is the Holy Spirit who reveals to men who Jesus is. For "no one can say "Jesus is Lord", except by the Holy Spirit",[SUP]22[/SUP] who "searches everything, even the depths of God. . No one comprehends the thoughts of God, except the Spirit of God."[SUP]23[/SUP] Only God knows God completely: we believe in the Holy Spirit because he is God.

The Church never ceases to proclaim her faith in one only God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

16 - 2 Tim 1:12,
17 - Jer 17:5-6; Ps 40:5; 146:3-4,
18 - Mk 1:11; 9:7,
19 - Jn 14:1,
20 - Jn 1:18,
21 - Jn 6:46; Mt 11:27,
22 - I Cor 12:3,
23 - I Cor 2:10-11.

. . .

156 What moves us to believe is not the fact that revealed truths appear as true and intelligible in the light of our natural reason: we believe "because of the authority of God himself who reveals them, who can neither deceive nor be deceived". So "that the submission of our faith might nevertheless be in accordance with reason, God willed that external proofs of his Revelation should be joined to the internal helps of the Holy Spirit." Thus the miracles of Christ and the saints, prophecies, the Church's growth and holiness, and her fruitfulness and stability "are the most certain signs of divine Revelation, adapted to the intelligence of all"; they are "motives of credibility" (motiva credibilitatis), which show that the assent of faith is "by no means a blind impulse of the mind".

. . .

162 Faith is an entirely free gift that God makes to man.

. . .

178 We must believe in no one but God: the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
179 Faith is a supernatural gift from God. In order to believe, man needs the interior helps of the Holy Spirit.


. . .

781 Conscience enables one to assume responsibility for the acts performed. If man commits evil, the just judgment of conscience can remain within him as the witness to the universal truth of the good, at the same time as the evil of his particular choice. the verdict of the judgment of conscience remains a pledge of hope and mercy. In attesting to the fault committed, it calls to mind the forgiveness that must be asked, the good that must still be practiced, and the virtue that must be constantly cultivated with the grace of God:

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1847 "God created us without us: but he did not will to save us without us." To receive his mercy, we must admit our faults. "If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness."

END QUOTE

Now can we get back to discussing real False Prophets and how to identify them?

 

[VCO]

A lot have strong opinions on CC, I understand your passion....isn't there another way to tackle it all though?
My Dad is a stern Christian, my Sister is over the top.....I wanted and chose to land somewhere in the middle.
Be Well.

I saw enough Denominational BIGOTRY growing up to last a lifetime. AND yes, I have grown to have very little tolerance for it.

 

[VCO]

I smell a ban in the not-so-distant future.. just sayin'.. *on a completely unrelated note, who knew bans have a smell?*

Just giv'em enough rope.

 

[yep]

If you didnt lie and deceive people with the first post of this thread Idve ignored you.Youre am uninspired bore VCO
The only reason you have "bigotry"is because you are trying to mislead christians on a christian site.
Why dont you do that on a catholic site?
Catholics love lies.

Perhaps they will love your lie that Roman Ctholic respect the inspired word of god and forget that the pope changed the 10 commandments because he kinda liked idol worship

How can you change the 10 commandments? He is crazy as is everyone who follows deceiver.The liar.The blasphemy

 

[yep]

Your objective when you started this thread was to take the Antichrist label off the Roman church.
And all your lies have done is bring the fact that it is the Antichrist and MOTHER OF ALL HARLOTS to the attention of every reader.
Well played Einstein

 

[Apostol2013]

We'll non sense and poopy pants hogwash , the body of Christ has no schism and is clean and undefined happy are those that watch their garments and guard their heart for they shall have the right to the tree of life happy are those that keep the commandments of God for they shall see God remember for the circumcision and circumcision have no availeth but rather by the obeying of the commandments of God quoted Paul the apostle . When the church moves away from these principles they become reprobates and such that practice lawlessness are as sodom and Gomorrah as Isaiah chapter one describes look at the situation world wide all the immorality it is because the world regards not tithe creator and the so called children are lacking in nourishment of knowledge wich is spirit it is the word of God . Undefiled undiluted truth

We'll the issue in every organization is lawlessness meaning sinful living through a direct commandment breaking due to not living according to the spirit those that Are born Of God do not sin as the spirit forbids it as we remain in the spirit and those that live under the spirit fulfill all the requirements of the Law by faith meaning we shall love God and if we love God we will do everything that pleases him it is written those that love God hate evil . And as the heavens proclaim His righteousness so shall we if we love God we will also hate idolatry we shall hate all immorality whether it be sexual or violent etc by eliminating these at the source within our spirit through faith by faith the sabbath day was blesses es and made holy for in six days did he create the heavens and earth and rested on the sabbath day all this we believe by faith and more it is written the just shall live by faith and if we have faith we will operate by the word not our precepts just like Jesus

 

[Apostol2013]

I seen the catholic Ten Commandments altered just putting it out there even the Jews doing this as well just to condone idolatry