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K
How about what Hebrews says;
Hebrews 3:12-14
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.
Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
Hebrews 3:12-14
Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God. But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin. For we have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.
Hebrews 6:4-6
For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.
E
first. can someone repost this for me. Ken has me on ignore. I want him to see how foolish his response was.
If a non believers drinks alot, and gets drunk, they suffer consequences. The suffer most likely at least a hangover, They may do something stupid and lose a friend, they may try to drive, and get in a wreck, and may even someone dies in that wreck, and they will suffer the penalty of the law.
If a believer does the same thing, They too will suffer these things (God will not remove it from them because they are his children) plus they will be chastened by God, which is a far more severe punishment than a non believer will suffer.
if people would actually read what others are saying with an open mind, they would not make such mistakes.
If a non believers drinks alot, and gets drunk, they suffer consequences. The suffer most likely at least a hangover, They may do something stupid and lose a friend, they may try to drive, and get in a wreck, and may even someone dies in that wreck, and they will suffer the penalty of the law.
If a believer does the same thing, They too will suffer these things (God will not remove it from them because they are his children) plus they will be chastened by God, which is a far more severe punishment than a non believer will suffer.
if people would actually read what others are saying with an open mind, they would not make such mistakes.
E
Judas did not lose his, He never had it, he was a theif and robber from the beginning.
He represents who in church who act like a christian, but never has been saved at all. and eventualy prove their lack of salvation by what they do.
A true believer is not going to go back to what he was. Only people who have not come to Christ and felt his true love would even think this, I hope and pray this is not you.
M
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Originally Posted by AtonedFor
You write as though ALL "believers" remain faithful to Jesus and His gospel
until the end of their lives.
There are about 10 verses WARNING that believers MUST do this OR lose eternal life!
Kenneth,
Did you miss that I was speaking to your questionable usage of the word "believers"?
Or, did you simply ignore it?
Originally Posted by AtonedFor
You write as though ALL "believers" remain faithful to Jesus and His gospel
until the end of their lives.
There are about 10 verses WARNING that believers MUST do this OR lose eternal life!
Kenneth,
Did you miss that I was speaking to your questionable usage of the word "believers"?
Or, did you simply ignore it?
M
Yes brother I didn't understand the term "rep" you used? I think I thought you was saying you would "help" me and I thought you was trying to put me in my place a little? sorry for the confusion and yes im sure if we speak the truth in love and honestly represent what and why we believe what we do...we will sharpen and edify and sometimes agree and sometimes disagree God Bless 
K
Yes brother I didn't understand the term "rep" you used? I think I thought you was saying you would "help" me and I thought you was trying to put me in my place a little? sorry for the confusion and yes im sure if we speak the truth in love and honestly represent what and why we believe what we do...we will sharpen and edify and sometimes agree and sometimes disagree God Bless
at one time He also called Peter "Satan" - or maybe only speaking to the spirit whose temptation Peter had fallen to.
i can't say whether Judas received mercy or not, but i hope he did, because i am no less sinful myself.
if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
(Ezekiel 33:15)
he did throw the money back at the priests, and does an unrepentant person have such grief that he would kill himself for his sin? anyway "Judas-bashing" has always sat sour with me. God is the judge
(i'm probably derailing, sorry -- **goes back to read the whole thread**)
at one time He also called Peter "Satan" - or maybe only speaking to the spirit whose temptation Peter had fallen to.
i can't say whether Judas received mercy or not, but i hope he did, because i am no less sinful myself.
if the wicked restores the pledge, gives back what he has taken by robbery, and walks in the statutes of life, not doing injustice, he shall surely live; he shall not die.
(Ezekiel 33:15)
he did throw the money back at the priests, and does an unrepentant person have such grief that he would kill himself for his sin? anyway "Judas-bashing" has always sat sour with me. God is the judge
(i'm probably derailing, sorry -- **goes back to read the whole thread**)
i think God settles the matter -- Judas is certainly no example to us of how we ought to be, and i don't want to defend him any more than i want to accuse him. i only know that i was darkness too, and God has made me light in Him (Ephesians 5:8) - so i hope he could be saved (as by fire, his works being burned up) but hesitate to pass judgement on his soul while i have no dispute at all over his wickedness.
does that make sense?
does that make sense?