Is Christianity Monotheistic or has it become a Polytheistic religion?

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olivetree32

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how do any of us then explain John chapter one?
Jhn 1:2He was in the beginning with God.


Jhn 1:14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jhn 14:26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.


God gave us His holy spirit, to me this is amazing!
i think this is a great study, and may God continue to speak to each heart.




Jhn 1:3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
 
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olivetree32 said:
how do any of us then explain John chapter one?
Jhn 1:2He was in the beginning with God.


Jhn 1:14And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
Jhn 14:26But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.


God gave us His holy spirit, to me this is amazing!
i think this is a great study, and may God continue to speak to each heart.




Jhn 1:3All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.
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Hmm, these verse are not hard to explain. If you are trying to submit a trinitarian view you could have posted better verses than these. The word did become flesh I have said that all along. The word was God and the only true Gosd is the Father. Indeed the Father became flesh the flesh was the Son.

God did send us a helper, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God, the only true God, God the Father.
 
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John chapter 1 i was lead to read that chapter last night after getting off of here, so i belive it was from God.
and than what i posted last night on doing a study on I AM. maybe check that out.
don't know. I don't think im trying to be right, but share. its ok :)
God bless.
 
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Check these verses out onwingsaseagles...

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24 (KJV)
 
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Check these verses out onwingsaseagles...

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23-24 (KJV)
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Yes God is a Spirit ''The Holy Spirit'' The Holy Spirit the Spirit is God The Father who himself is a Spirit the Holy Spirit, they are both one and the Same. And we should worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
 
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Indeed the Father became flesh the flesh was the Son.
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Do you realize how silly that sounds? That is so contradictory its amazing.

You want to say that two person are actually one person. Yet refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are 3 persons who share the same nature of divinity.
 
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Do you realize how silly that sounds? That is so contradictory its amazing.

You want to say that two person are actually one person. Yet refuse to acknowledge the fact that there are 3 persons who share the same nature of divinity.
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Trinitarians do not teach that 3 beings share divinity that teach that 1 God are 3 people, and those 3 people are actually 1 being. The way you explain it seem as if there are 3 gods trinitarians do not agree with that. You expect me to believe that 1 God can be 3 people but God cannot become a man and stay God at the Same time, isn't that what trinitarians say ''God the Son''did? It is not about what God can oor can't do God can do whatever He wants, it is about what the Bible teaches about the nature of God.

I think you are the one being silly and Contradcitiry. You insist I accept that 1 God is 3 people, and then in the next breath claim it is impossible for God the Father to become a man and still remain God.
 
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Wings you have missed what I am trying to say.

The term divinity and the term God is the same in the Greek as is divine nature. The term God is not a name. Of course Jesus is God in the flesh, but He is not the Father or the Holy Spirit.

No trinitarian teaches that the 3 persons are actually 1 person, that is the oneness position. And no nothing I have stated even comes close to suggesting a belief in 3 gods.

You appear to be very confused. It would be best to back away from this discussion until you clear your head.
 
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Wings you have missed what I am trying to say.

The term divinity and the term God is the same in the Greek as is divine nature. The term God is not a name. Of course Jesus is God in the flesh, but He is not the Father or the Holy Spirit.

No trinitarian teaches that the 3 persons are actually 1 person, that is the oneness position. And no nothing I have stated even comes close to suggesting a belief in 3 gods.

You appear to be very confused. It would be best to back away from this discussion until you clear your head.
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No one claimed there are 3 gods? How many humans do you think there are on the earth just 1?

You said this earlier in thins thread.
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The term "God" is not a name nor does it refer to a singular being. It is a class of being. Just like the term "human" refers to a class of being we also refer to mankind or humanity. God is also referred to as deity or divine nature.

There are three person revealed in scripture with a divine nature, called deity, called God. They are the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

There are many passages that clearly indicate a subject/object distinction between the three.
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You said God is a ''class of being'' just like human and that there are 3 of them in this ''class of being'' That makes 3 gods, unless you are suggesting that the 6.5 billion people on this earth are just 1 human
 
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onwingsaseagles said:
Yes God is a Spirit ''The Holy Spirit'' The Holy Spirit the Spirit is God The Father who himself is a Spirit the Holy Spirit, they are both one and the Same. And we should worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
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Onwings, if you beilve they are both one and the same, which i agree with you, than what is all this about? I mean you belive in Father spirit and son right? And do you belive they are all one in the same? Because i think that is what all this trinity stuff is about. Just beliving that the Father Son and holy spirit are one. As we are one in Him.

Jhn 17:11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We [are].
Jhn 17:21that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

does this make since to you? just a question to go with this discussion.
 
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No illustration or analogy is perfect. Of the 6.5 people on the planet they are all of one race... human. There is not another class of being comparable on the planet. Because we can physically differentiate between the individuals we refer to each one as a human. But all of us share the same nature... humanity.

There is no other class of being in the universe which has a divine nature and therefore worthy of worship. There is just one.

The biblical information given shows us that there is one God. It also shows us that there are three who share this description. Yet these three are never confused with each other. They have a consistent subject/object distinction. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus clearly distinguish himself from both of the others. He (1) prayed to the Father (2). They in turn sent the Holy Spirit (3).

All three were present at Jesus' baptism. We pray to the Father in the name of the Son with the aid of the Holy Spirit.
 
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Onwings, if you beilve they are both one and the same, which i agree with you, than what is all this about? I mean you belive in Father spirit and son right? And do you belive they are all one in the same? Because i think that is what all this trinity stuff is about. Just beliving that the Father Son and holy spirit are one. As we are one in Him.

Jhn 17:11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We [are].
Jhn 17:21that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

does this make since to you? just a question to go with this discussion.
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Yes it make since to me and i agree with you , but as you see trinitarians do not seem to accept that they are one.
 
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hi slepgog, did you read the scriptures i posted above,when Jesus was saying, i and the Father are one. I do belive in Father spirit and Son. After all Jesus did say, baptize in the name of the Father spirit and Son. Those were the verses that came to mind about being one. As we are one with Him. Jesus and the father Were one. Does that make since. I think the holy spirit wants to show all of us somthing. I know the word says, when we hunger and thirst after righteousness, we will be filled amen. So lets see what God has to say about all this. I think that scripture is clear. And im not arguing with you. I do belive in the three, and that there is one. As Jesus said once agian, that He and the Father were one.
 
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No illustration or analogy is perfect. Of the 6.5 people on the planet they are all of one race... human. There is not another class of being comparable on the planet. Because we can physically differentiate between the individuals we refer to each one as a human. But all of us share the same nature... humanity.

There is no other class of being in the universe which has a divine nature and therefore worthy of worship. There is just one.

The biblical information given shows us that there is one God. It also shows us that there are three who share this description. Yet these three are never confused with each other. They have a consistent subject/object distinction. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Jesus clearly distinguish himself from both of the others. He (1) prayed to the Father (2). They in turn sent the Holy Spirit (3).

All three were present at Jesus' baptism. We pray to the Father in the name of the Son with the aid of the Holy Spirit.
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First do not accuse me of not understanding the teaching of the Trinity. I have told you before I have been trinitarian all my life and even though I do not agree with the doctrine I go to a trinitarian church. I know what they believe. However your version of what you claim to be the Trinity is more like the one the mormons believe in than Christians. It sound like to me you believe in 3 gods, 3 people that all share a divine nautre. This is not what the Bible teaches.
 
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ok, well we all know they are three in one. i m ean it seems that slep belives in the same as you do onwings, just a bit differant maybe, i don't know. Because he belives in the father spirit and son just as you and i. So i don't get all this trinitarian stuff. I mean can't we just belive in the trinity? Wich is the Father Spirit and Son. This is amazing.
 
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ok, i think i know what you were saying, that He belives they were three seprate people? and not three in one? is that correct?
 
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olivetree32 said:
ok, i think i know what you were saying, that He belives they were three seprate people? and not three in one? is that correct?
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Yes olive that is what he is saying.
 
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There is only one god, this means no space for idols. This god reveals himself to mankind in 3 persons. Thats all we can know from the bible. Unitarism is anti biblical and philosophy of man. This happened to fallen judaism as well.
 
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There is only one god, this means no space for idols. This god reveals himself to mankind in 3 persons. Thats all we can know from the bible. Unitarism is anti biblical and philosophy of man. This happened to fallen judaism as well.
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I am not an unitarian, untitarian do not believe Jesus to be God. the truth of scripture is this.

#1 The Father is God, Jesus is God, The Holy Spirit is God.
#2 However Jesus Christ is also the Father and the Father is the Holy Spirit.
#3 In other words there is one God the Father, who came in a body (the Son) and who is the Eternal Spirit (the Holy Spirit). So they teach that the Father came in the flesh as Jesus, and is a Spirit ''The Holy Spirit''.
#4 So it is similar to the Trinity doctrine in that we have 3 who are one, but Oneness doctrine says that the 3 ''persons'' are not separate, but actually the same 1, who is God.
 
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I and the Father does not say I and the Father are one person. Jesus prayed TO the Father. The Father called Jesus his Son. Those are clear subject/object distinctions.

A man and a woman are two individuals but in marriage they are one flesh. This does not make them one person. It is an intimate relationship of unity and purpose.
 
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