Crucifixion nails found in Caiaphas ossuary !!!

[kennethcadwell]

I just watched a show on science channel called, " Biblical conspiracies. "
I don't usually believe everything I see on this channel and the History channel, but this one was very interesting.
Back in 2011 this ossuary was found with two bent rusty nails. We know Caiaphas was the high priest that turned Jesus over to the Romans to be crucified.

John 11:49
And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

The man going by the name of Simcha Jacobovici found these nails after they were misplaced during the excavation of the tomb that the ossuary was found in. He ran many studies on these nails and on the ossuary and found that they both carried the same elements on them. The excitement and intrigue to this is could this actually be the nails that crucified Jesus? Nails are not normally put in an ossuary unless they have a major importance to them, and Caiaphas is mostly and only known for one major crucifixion; That of our Lord.

Your thoughts please on this........

Biblical Conspiracies : Science Channel

Simcha Jacobovici and the Nails From Caiaphas' Tomb

 

[Nicee]

Lol. I'm watching it now. It's quite interesting and educational, but you also have to do your own research. Don't always believed what on t.v. or what people say.

 

[Agricola]

It would not surprise me if you went back in time the the 2nd century, you would find hundreds of nails and bits of wood being sold as those from the cross Christ died on.

 

[kennethcadwell]

It would not surprise me if you went back in time the the 2nd century, you would find hundreds of nails and bits of wood being sold as those from the cross Christ died on.

Yes I know that, and I don't believe everything I see on tv.
The issue is here though is that these nails were found in Caiaphas ossuary, and Caiaphas was most known for handing Jesus over to be crucified. And crucifixion nails are rare to find in ossuaries, so they must have had to have an important meaning to Caiaphas. As for wood from the cross, last I heard is that the Vatican has the original cross. And they have sent shadow boxes to many of their churches around the world with a splinter from it for people to see.

 

[dcontroversal]

Yes I know that, and I don't believe everything I see on tv.
The issue is here though is that these nails were found in Caiaphas ossuary, and Caiaphas was most known for handing Jesus over to be crucified. And crucifixion nails are rare to find in ossuaries, so they must have had to have an important meaning to Caiaphas. As for wood from the cross, last I heard is that the Vatican has the original cross. And they have sent shadow boxes to many of their churches around the world with a splinter from it for people to see.

Of course they would say that........lets all worship a splinter of wood........!

 

[3Scoreand10]

I just watched a show on science channel called, " Biblical conspiracies. "
I don't usually believe everything I see on this channel and the History channel, but this one was very interesting.
Back in 2011 this ossuary was found with two bent rusty nails. We know Caiaphas was the high priest that turned Jesus over to the Romans to be crucified.

John 11:49
And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

The man going by the name of Simcha Jacobovici found these nails after they were misplaced during the excavation of the tomb that the ossuary was found in. He ran many studies on these nails and on the ossuary and found that they both carried the same elements on them. The excitement and intrigue to this is could this actually be the nails that crucified Jesus? Nails are not normally put in an ossuary unless they have a major importance to them, and Caiaphas is mostly and only known for one major crucifixion; That of our Lord.

Your thoughts please on this........

Biblical Conspiracies : Science Channel

Simcha Jacobovici and the Nails From Caiaphas' Tomb

I'll bet someone will make a buck or two off this.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I'll bet someone will make a buck or two off this.

That maybe true, but if you watch the video you will see all the in depth studies they did on the nails and the ossuary.
They all matched to prove they were in the same tomb, and the nails were proven to be from a crucifixion. Like I said the meaning these nails had to have to even be in an ossuary, they had to be very important.

 

[Desdichado]

I have to stand up for Kennethcadwell here. A stronger possibility exists than the usual case of "Oh I found this speck of wood. It's Peter's boat!"

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

Here are the nails found in the ossuary ...



The Bible Gateway online commentary regarding the crucifixion says this ...

Jesus Is Crucified

... Occasionally the victim was tied to the crossbeam with leather thongs, but most often nails were used, as in the case of Jesus. The nails were five to seven inches long and were driven through the feet and wrists, not the hands (Edwards, Gabel and Hosmer 1986:1459). [my emphasis]

Either that man's hand in the picture above is enormous, or those aren't crucifixion nails. I don't know what they found, but given God's history of leaving behind no trace of anything that could be used as an idol -- He had Hezekiah destroy the bronze snake Moses used in the wilderness at the Father's direction during the "attack" of venomous snakes (2 Kings 18:4) -- I doubt these are the nails used to nail Christ to the cross.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Here are the nails found in the ossuary ...

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The Bible Gateway online commentary regarding the crucifixion says this ...Either that man's hand in the picture above is enormous, or those aren't crucifixion nails. I don't know what they found, but given God's history of leaving behind no trace of anything that could be used as an idol -- He had Hezekiah destroy the bronze snake Moses used in the wilderness at the Father's direction during the "attack" of venomous snakes (2 Kings 18:4) -- I doubt these are the nails used to nail Christ to the cross.

I understand what you are saying, and the information you are using.
Which I have seen this same debate used plenty of times, but there is documented evidence that in crucifixion's nails were driven through the hands as well. And if you go and take that with what is in the gospel account Jesus shows them His hands, not His wrists.

Luke 24:40
And when he had thus spoken, he shewed themhis hands and his feet.


Plus in some cases they only need to drive it into the wood enough to anchor it, and then they bent it up to prevent their hands from slipping off. Watch the video and you will see the in depth study they did on these that showed they were used for crucifixion. What they couldn't determine was whose crucifixion they were used for, but knowing Caiaphas was only documented for one major crucifixion which was Jesus. Then we can make a connection, because nails of any sort were not even found in a ossuary unless they had very important meaning to the person.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I understand what you are saying, and the information you are using.
Which I have seen this same debate used plenty of times, but there is documented evidence that in crucifixion's nails were driven through the hands as well. And if you go and take that with what is in the gospel account Jesus shows them His hands, not His wrists.

Actually, the Greek word cheir, translated "hands" in Luke 24:39, 40 -- doesn't mean just the hand, but can encompass everything from the shoulder down to the fingertips.

Plus in some cases they only need to drive it into the wood enough to anchor it, and then they bent it up to prevent their hands from slipping off. Watch the video and you will see the in depth study they did on these that showed they were used for crucifixion.

See where the nails in that photo are bent? The length of nail from the bend to the point is barely long enough to go through the hand or wrist, even accounting for loss of the metal to weathering, deterioration, and rust over 20 centuries. Also, bending the nail up would not have stopped the flesh between the bones of the hand -- which were merely extensions of the bones in the finger -- from tearing from the sheer weight of Jesus' body.

What they couldn't determine was whose crucifixion they were used for, but knowing Caiaphas was only documented for one major crucifixion which was Jesus.

Correction: The Bible was only concerned with the crucifixion of Jesus. There were thousands of them, many being Jewish criminals and insurrectionists that the Sanhedrin turned over to the Roman authorities, because Jewish law did not allow them to crucify anyone, and they could stone someone only for blasphemy, which the Jews couldn't all agree that Jesus had committed.

Then we can make a connection, because nails of any sort were not even found in a ossuary unless they had very important meaning to the person.

Frankly? These look more like the nails used in the beams of a house. Perhaps they were from Caiaphas' first home.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Actually, the Greek word cheir, translated "hands" in Luke 24:39, 40 -- doesn't mean just the hand, but can encompass everything from the shoulder down to the fingertips.

See where the nails in that photo are bent? The length of nail from the bend to the point is barely long enough to go through the hand or wrist, even accounting for loss of the metal to weathering, deterioration, and rust over 20 centuries. Also, bending the nail up would not have stopped the flesh between the bones of the hand -- which were merely extensions of the bones in the finger -- from tearing from the sheer weight of Jesus' body.

Correction: The Bible was only concerned with the crucifixion of Jesus. There were thousands of them, many being Jewish criminals and insurrectionists that the Sanhedrin turned over to the Roman authorities, because Jewish law did not allow them to crucify anyone, and they could stone someone only for blasphemy, which the Jews couldn't all agree that Jesus had committed.

Frankly? These look more like the nails used in the beams of a house. Perhaps they were from Caiaphas' first home.

I am not just going by the bible for what I am saying, and neither were they.
These nails would not have come from just a common criminal that Caiaphas had crucified, they had to have significant importance to Caiaphas to be in his ossuary.
You can go read a history of how crucifixion's were done, and not all were done through the wrists. A lot of them they also bound their arms with rope to the cross beam, and then drove the nails through the hand and bent them up so the pressure would not pull their hands off the nails. I can take a 16 penny nail that has a length of 3 1/2 inches through my hand, and anchor an inch of it in a piece of wood and still bend it up. If you take the picture of those nails, and straighten them out, and then account for weathering an rust lost they would be the same length.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I am not just going by the bible for what I am saying, and neither were they.
These nails would not have come from just a common criminal that Caiaphas had crucified, they had to have significant importance to Caiaphas to be in his ossuary.
You can go read a history of how crucifixion's were done, and not all were done through the wrists. A lot of them they also bound their arms with rope to the cross beam, and then drove the nails through the hand and bent them up so the pressure would not pull their hands off the nails. I can take a 16 penny nail that has a length of 3 1/2 inches through my hand, and anchor an inch of it in a piece of wood and still bend it up. If you take the picture of those nails, and straighten them out, and then account for weathering an rust lost they would be the same length.

Peace to you, Ken. If you believe Caiaphas took Jesus' crucifixion nails to his grave with him, so be it. I remain a skeptic, primarily due to my beliefs about God avoiding the preservation of things that could become idols. God bless.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Peace to you, Ken. If you believe Caiaphas took Jesus' crucifixion nails to his grave with him, so be it. I remain a skeptic, primarily due to my beliefs about God avoiding the preservation of things that could become idols. God bless.

Man makes things into idols, rather it be a statue, tv, radio, computer, money, and so on.....
We don't know much about Caiaphas, but maybe he realized what he did after he crucified Christ and took the nails as a reminder of the wrong he did.
I just don't see them coming from a common criminal, a house, or so on....They had to be very special.

 

[ChristIsGod]

When I see what became of the shroud that isn't even Scriptural because a separate cloth covered His face, I get sort of a queezy feeling inside with anymore of these 'finds'.

We were just talking about the shroud on Jason's thread some time ago and since then, I had to go to my Brother's family Church for his new grand-daughter and in the lobby I found a bunch of tracts with the shroud face on it and it was some nun that was channeling what 'Jesus' was saying about worshiping His face and also prayers in that regard. Very creepy that they would print anything like that in tract form. That she allegedly was getting these words from Jesus Himself - 9 things - the 1st being - "By My Holy Face you shall work miracles" - 2. "By My Face you will obtain the conversion of many sinners." - 3. "Nothing that you ask in making this offering will be refused to you." - 4. "If you knew how pleasing the sight of My Face is to My Father." etc.. all based around the face on the shroud.

So that was supposed to be Jesus speaking 'through' this nun to worship the shroud face. Then supposedly they got the blood type off of that shroud too and that started another whole cult based upon that blood-type and that got to the believers that Jesus didn't die and married Mary and they had a daughter, etc. etc..

Nothing good ever comes from these things. We know who will get these nails, but God only knows what will come from that - DNA testing and then another cult ... who knows, but that's been the record for these so-called 'relics' or icons.

 

[Chopper]

When I see what became of the shroud that isn't even Scriptural because a separate cloth covered His face, I get sort of a queezy feeling inside with anymore of these 'finds'.

We were just talking about the shroud on Jason's thread some time ago and since then, I had to go to my Brother's family Church for his new grand-daughter and in the lobby I found a bunch of tracts with the shroud face on it and it was some nun that was channeling what 'Jesus' was saying about worshiping His face and also prayers in that regard. Very creepy that they would print anything like that in tract form. That she allegedly was getting these words from Jesus Himself - 9 things - the 1st being - "By My Holy Face you shall work miracles" - 2. "By My Face you will obtain the conversion of many sinners." - 3. "Nothing that you ask in making this offering will be refused to you." - 4. "If you knew how pleasing the sight of My Face is to My Father." etc.. all based around the face on the shroud.

So that was supposed to be Jesus speaking 'through' this nun to worship the shroud face. Then supposedly they got the blood type off of that shroud too and that started another whole cult based upon that blood-type and that got to the believers that Jesus didn't die and married Mary and they had a daughter, etc. etc..

Nothing good ever comes from these things. We know who will get these nails, but God only knows what will come from that - DNA testing and then another cult ... who knows, but that's been the record for these so-called 'relics' or icons.

The Shroud of Turin has pretty much been proven to be the actual cloth ha'Mashiah was buried in, and the cloth around the head has been proven to match as well from what I understand.

The separate cloth that was wrapped around his face is actually correct according to scripture.

Joh 20:7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.

 

[ChristIsGod]

Proven by whom, Brother?

 

[maxwel]

There is plenty of good archaeology supporting the Bible... without these nails.

I wouldn't get too excited about every "holy relic" that comes along.
People fake things all the time to make money, or make a name for themselves.
This has been going on for thousands of years.

The Bible is still true whether or not some recently discovered artifact is genuine.

When Christians all jump on the band wagon over every little unproven thing,
there is a real danger of looking like idiots if that particular thing is disproven.

Just sit back and relax.
See what happens.

We don't need a couple of rusty nails to prove the gospel.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I know people fake things all the time, but this man is known for being a well credited researcher.
I know people want to be skeptical, but the thing I would never understand is why people would not believe in these finds all together. If the bible speaks about things, and a researcher, archaeologist, or scientist find these places, people, or artifacts why would people not get excited. These things keep verifying the bible, not proving against the bible.

As for the shroud of Turin it has been through extensive studies, and even though it has not been determined to be the actual linen shroud that covered Jesus. The wounds on the individual match the wounds Jesus suffered from the bible account of it. From the injuries of the thorns on His head, the beating from the whips, and on the side where Jesus was stabbed with the spare.

 

[Anonimous]

It would not surprise me if you went back in time the the 2nd century, you would find hundreds of nails and bits of wood being sold as those from the cross Christ died on.

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