Do You Celebrate Christmas?

psychomom · Dec 22, 2014

well, i celebrate Christmas. (Matt, i hope you don't mind...)

one of our daughters just finished wrapping the gifts she can hardly wait to give
to her siblings and nephew...
and she couldn't care less about what she may (or may not) be given.
she's just really, super-excited to give.
(i kinda love that kid...and what's neat is, they're all like that

)

where in the world did she learn that??

oh, yeah!...at the feet of Christ.

so i hope we all, in some fashion, celebrate Christmas in the sense
we celebrate the fact that the Lord Jesus came into this world.
He took on human flesh and frailty and became one of us.
the God of the universe...Creator of all things...lowered Himself
to come to us!

c'mon, now...don't you feel like celebrating?

'how silently, how silently the wondrous Gift is given...'

Marian29 · Dec 22, 2014

kaylagrl said:

People can be saved not only trough a play about Jesus birth.
By the way, I'm not judging. I'm just telling my position, to not celebrate it the way most of people do it. (people who don't practice Christianity in their lives during the year)...

I can praise and celebrate the Lord's birth in my own heart, reading the Bible and doing prayers. Would it be less special?

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

To argument ONE 1 (ARGUMENT NUMBER 1: CHRISTMAS IS COMMERCIALIZED AND MATERIALISTIC... If we use this argument as a legitimate reason for discarding the entire celebration of Christ's birth at Christmas, it would follow that we would end up having to throw out everything--even our Bibles and our wives or husbands. Why? Because Satan and man distort and ruins everything in life--the Bible, sex, marriage, the church, food--everything. Name one thing that Satan doesn't ruin. We don't throw things out just because the world misuses or distorts them.) dared to say:

What are the lesson Jesus gave when clearing the temple?

Mar 11:15 When they came to Jerusalem, Jesus went into the temple courtyard and began to throw out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the moneychangers' tables and the chairs of those who sold pigeons.

I´m sure he would do the same, several times, for the same reasons: Faith is not to be traded.

Yes! Misused and distorted.

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

Marian29 said:

Ageed on, but you said something judmental as "Pharisees", and Keila thought you referrred to her.

I don´t think it was your thought, I saw it as if you were watching the world of the RCC,

Tintin · Dec 22, 2014

The images didn't show. Let's try that again.

First the actual carving.

Secondly, this was drawn by an artist who both observed and studied the carving.

This ancient Sumerian carving isn't an Asherah tree or any such thing. It's the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Notice there's the fruit tree, the serpent, a woman and another figure - either a man or a demon-type? This is clearly an inverted version of the Fall of Man where the Fall was said to bring Enlightenment to creation, not sin and death. "Did God really say...?" Every ancient culture has some form of serpent worship (evil seen as good, good seen as evil). Only God's people worshipped the one true God and held to the true natures of good and evil.

The tree here is seen as a 'great'/hugely important moment in human history, a time when man triumphed. See there's low-hanging fruit and it's easy to access. There's no pesky God to tell people not to eat of the fruit. There's nothing to indicate it's a danger at all. The carving speaks to the history of the Garden of Eden, to the story of Adam and Eve and God and the serpent, to the Fall of Man. But this is the pagan version of the Genesis account, where good is seen as evil and evil is seen as good. It has absolutely zilch, nothing, nada to do with Christmas trees.

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

kaylagrl said:

Oh! Just for me: It does for X-maxxxxx. History is written and read.

JesusistheChrist · Dec 22, 2014

Tintin said:

Lol.

Umm, that was a little crass, but I'd have to agree with your overall point, even though I don't personally celebrate "Christ Mass" myself. IOW, I do believe that some people go to ridiculous extremes, even to the point of "wresting" certain scriptures, in their attempted denunciations of "Christ Mass".

That being said, however, there is actually a direct link between "Kriss Kringle" (a name which is regularly attributed to Santa) and the Christ child:

Online Etymology Dictionary

Just saying...

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

Let´s see it, within a week.

I´m with the loosers!

Tintin · Dec 22, 2014

First of all, I must apologise to Kohen, the OP. I didn't meant to slam you, brother. I disagree with you on some things but on the whole, I respect you. That said, I still don't think there's need for another thread like this. It's very obvious who does and doesn't celebrate Christmas/thinks it's evil. Many of them shout the loudest, make the threads, keep bumping the threads, demonise people, post nonsensical scholarship etc. Again, I haven't seen that from you (but certainly from others here).

kaylagrl · Dec 22, 2014

secularhermit said:

To argument ONE 1 (ARGUMENT NUMBER 1: CHRISTMAS IS COMMERCIALIZED AND MATERIALISTIC... If we use this argument as a legitimate reason for discarding the entire celebration of Christ's birth at Christmas, it would follow that we would end up having to throw out everything--even our Bibles and our wives or husbands. Why? Because Satan and man distort and ruins everything in life--the Bible, sex, marriage, the church, food--everything. Name one thing that Satan doesn't ruin. We don't throw things out just because the world misuses or distorts them.) dared to say:

What are the lesson Jesus gave when clearing the temple?

Mar 11:15 When they came to Jerusalem, Jesus went into the temple courtyard and began to throw out those who were buying and selling there. He overturned the moneychangers' tables and the chairs of those who sold pigeons.

I´m sure he would do the same, several times, for the same reasons: Faith is not to be traded.

Yes! Misused and distorted.

Christ went after the money changers because they were selling things at inflated unfair prices,robbing people inside the church! That is why he turned over the tables.

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

kaylagrl said:

May I say they made the TEMPLE a market place? I know nothing about the prices...

Mar 11:16 He would not let anyone carry anything across the temple courtyard.
Mar 11:17 Then he taught them by saying, "Scripture says, 'My house will be called a house of prayer for all nations,' but you have turned it into a gathering place for thieves."

(BBE) And they came to Jerusalem; and he went into the Temple, and sent out those who were trading there, overturning the tables of the money-changers and the seats of those who were offering doves for money;

'My house will be called a house of prayer for all the nations,'

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

JustAnotherUser said:

I´m sorry you´re lacking some sort of motivation, it doesn´t matter the yearly and long lasting greed a person has or had had.
I´m sorry you faced the same last year, too, but I hope that lack of sentiment fade away, not for any particular season, just for you, a person that matters, because a day is a day.

psychomom · Dec 22, 2014

look, no one's saying spend more than you can afford...
you don't have to spend anything at all.

and no one's saying let's bring Santa into it...
we never did BUT i wouldn't excoriate anyone who does...
(not my job, you see)

surely there's a way for the Family of God to be thankful together
for our greatest Gift?

'o come, o come, Emmanuel...'

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

psychomom said:

That idea made me think of that March 13 when Herod, the Great, died... Isn´t it a good time to celebrate? He was an enemy of the Lord Jesus... What about sending presents too?

It was something interesting with the moon, that night, too. Guess it?

(Foolish and cinical, but that was what Roman did several times, on their seasons to feast)

PS

Luk 23:12 And both Herod and Pilate became friends with one another on that same day, for they had previously been enemies of one another.

Chopper · Dec 22, 2014

Here's just one example of WHY, so you might want to read this...

The True Origin of Christmas

Kerry · Dec 22, 2014

Hey now even the Satanic church is celebrating Christmas. Praise be to God

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

I can´t touch this... Hammer time.

[video=youtube;2mHIjE79au0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2mHIjE79au0[/video]

secularhermit · Dec 22, 2014

To my records... It´s rare that only Paul tried new believers be another way the 11 apostles were...

Joh 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.

Joh 17:21 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

Joh 17:22 The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one,

Nautilus · Dec 22, 2014

john832 said:

so i guess you just dont celebrate any holidays then?

Nautilus · Dec 22, 2014

By the way I plan to celebrate Christmas this and every coming year for as long as i can.

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