Do You Celebrate Christmas?
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Actually, Marian is correct here. There is no Biblical command to celebrate His birth and the date was pretty carefully hidden.
On the other hand, the date of His death is well known and the date of His return can be pretty safely speculated (the day of the year, not the year).
These are given and known.
On the other hand, the date of His death is well known and the date of His return can be pretty safely speculated (the day of the year, not the year).
These are given and known.
R
Should we celebrate Christmas or Easter?
First of all there is NO disputing the pagan origin of Christmas and Easter. That is a historical fact. Anyone can ignore that fact and try to rationalize it away, but that is how satan works. He started with Eve and has continued ever since. I believe the gates of hell are ignorance and deception. They are what keep us in bondage. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. God also said my people perish for lack of knowledge. What does the truth set us free from? It sets us free from ignorance and deception and thus bondage and hell.
The following 3 verses opened my eyes to Gods heart and purpose and meaning of life.
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
God puts before us life and death, truth and deception. We must be very diligent to seek the truth with our whole heart or we will be deceived and damned. Much of what is being preached is false doctrine. Most who profess to be Christians are not. Read Mathew chapter 7. It is about true and false conversions. There is a lot more I could say here but I want to concentrate more on Christmas and Easter. Below is an excerpt from an e-book I wrote about 13 years ago called The Power of Pride or the Power in Humility, You Decide?
What good can come of a lie? Jesus is the truth. I don’t want to give away any secrets here, but a lie can send a child many bad messages. It says it is ok to lie. It says I can’t trust my parents so teenagers don’t and trust themselves and others more. It takes the focus off of Jesus and puts it on the Child’s selfish desires to receive things for free and to expect things he has not earned. It also doesn’t connect the child with who really loves him enough to give him things and thus build a relationship on truth, dependence, love, and trust. What do you really think that God or Jesus thinks of Santa and the Easter Bunny? Aren’t they taking Jesus’ place? Aren’t they idols to children? What is the real reason for the holiday? They teach children to ignore the real reason for the season and focus on the false one. What we teach children early tends to stick with them. I believe lying puts a stumbling block before our children that inhibits their spiritual growth. It also tends to set them up to accept partial truths and lies including the one that truth is relative and not absolute. Could that be the reason our children are growing up to be compromisers of the gospel. Could it be the influence of satan or santa? Are they the same thing? Just rearrange the letters. Satan appears as an angel of light. He is the author of confusion and the great deceiver. Santa appears to be a wonderful thing, but what is the end result? What good can come of a lie?
Now consider this. Do you see how satans powers of deception so subtlety work? We have been trained by society through the generations to conform to the world and lie to our children. Lying is sin. All sin is evil and worthy of death. Are we even conscious of what we are doing? How many other ways have we allowed satan to deceive us unaware? Isn’t it time for a logos or logic check up? The Logos is God’s word the Bible. Logos means logic. It is supposed to make sense.
Since the time I wrote that, God has kept taking me deeper and showing me the depths of deception and has been changing the way I see things. That’s what spiritual maturity is all about. We should no longer be conformed to the world, but have the mind of Christ. Our perspective, paradigm, or world view should change from a worldly point of view to a Godly, heavenly, or Kingdom of Heaven perspective.
Why do professing Christians want to celebrate Christmas or Easter? It is for their selfish pleasure. That is hedonism and not why we were created. We were created for His pleasure and our desire should be to please Him. Then we simply trust Him to give us what we need and what else He wants us to have for our own good.
Christmas and Easter are idols along with the materialism connected to them. What does God say about Idolatry? Read Jeremiah to see how He judged Israel and Judah for it.
Also consider who celebrates those holidays? Just about everyone. They clearly do not distinguish anyone as a true Christian.
Yes, I did love celebrating those holidays. And I still love the real truths associated with them. But now that I know the truth, I have to admit they take more glory away from God than He receives from them. And Christmas and Easter are meant to glorify pagan Gods.
And God will not share glory with anyone. Real Christians should be set apart from the world. And if we want to celebrate His birth and death then it should be on the right day or at least on a day set apart to glorify Him alone. That’s what worship is all about. And I believe God told us what days they should be but we are just ignoring them. I think they are the feast of Tabernacles and Passover. In the millennium everyone will be commanded to keep the feast of Tabernacles. And Passover is the day Jesus died.
Real Christians should forsake the lies and paganism of Christmas and Easter and keep the feast days God commanded us to. That’s what the early Christians did and what I intend to do.
We cannot expect revival as long as we cling to lies, false doctrines, and traditions of men.
If we want revival, we must gather the tares and bind them in bundles to be burned. And there sure are a lot of them. But we must be willing to give them up and not look back.
God bless you all.
First of all there is NO disputing the pagan origin of Christmas and Easter. That is a historical fact. Anyone can ignore that fact and try to rationalize it away, but that is how satan works. He started with Eve and has continued ever since. I believe the gates of hell are ignorance and deception. They are what keep us in bondage. Jesus said you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free. God also said my people perish for lack of knowledge. What does the truth set us free from? It sets us free from ignorance and deception and thus bondage and hell.
The following 3 verses opened my eyes to Gods heart and purpose and meaning of life.
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
God puts before us life and death, truth and deception. We must be very diligent to seek the truth with our whole heart or we will be deceived and damned. Much of what is being preached is false doctrine. Most who profess to be Christians are not. Read Mathew chapter 7. It is about true and false conversions. There is a lot more I could say here but I want to concentrate more on Christmas and Easter. Below is an excerpt from an e-book I wrote about 13 years ago called The Power of Pride or the Power in Humility, You Decide?
What good can come of a lie? Jesus is the truth. I don’t want to give away any secrets here, but a lie can send a child many bad messages. It says it is ok to lie. It says I can’t trust my parents so teenagers don’t and trust themselves and others more. It takes the focus off of Jesus and puts it on the Child’s selfish desires to receive things for free and to expect things he has not earned. It also doesn’t connect the child with who really loves him enough to give him things and thus build a relationship on truth, dependence, love, and trust. What do you really think that God or Jesus thinks of Santa and the Easter Bunny? Aren’t they taking Jesus’ place? Aren’t they idols to children? What is the real reason for the holiday? They teach children to ignore the real reason for the season and focus on the false one. What we teach children early tends to stick with them. I believe lying puts a stumbling block before our children that inhibits their spiritual growth. It also tends to set them up to accept partial truths and lies including the one that truth is relative and not absolute. Could that be the reason our children are growing up to be compromisers of the gospel. Could it be the influence of satan or santa? Are they the same thing? Just rearrange the letters. Satan appears as an angel of light. He is the author of confusion and the great deceiver. Santa appears to be a wonderful thing, but what is the end result? What good can come of a lie?
Now consider this. Do you see how satans powers of deception so subtlety work? We have been trained by society through the generations to conform to the world and lie to our children. Lying is sin. All sin is evil and worthy of death. Are we even conscious of what we are doing? How many other ways have we allowed satan to deceive us unaware? Isn’t it time for a logos or logic check up? The Logos is God’s word the Bible. Logos means logic. It is supposed to make sense.
Since the time I wrote that, God has kept taking me deeper and showing me the depths of deception and has been changing the way I see things. That’s what spiritual maturity is all about. We should no longer be conformed to the world, but have the mind of Christ. Our perspective, paradigm, or world view should change from a worldly point of view to a Godly, heavenly, or Kingdom of Heaven perspective.
Why do professing Christians want to celebrate Christmas or Easter? It is for their selfish pleasure. That is hedonism and not why we were created. We were created for His pleasure and our desire should be to please Him. Then we simply trust Him to give us what we need and what else He wants us to have for our own good.
Christmas and Easter are idols along with the materialism connected to them. What does God say about Idolatry? Read Jeremiah to see how He judged Israel and Judah for it.
Also consider who celebrates those holidays? Just about everyone. They clearly do not distinguish anyone as a true Christian.
Yes, I did love celebrating those holidays. And I still love the real truths associated with them. But now that I know the truth, I have to admit they take more glory away from God than He receives from them. And Christmas and Easter are meant to glorify pagan Gods.
And God will not share glory with anyone. Real Christians should be set apart from the world. And if we want to celebrate His birth and death then it should be on the right day or at least on a day set apart to glorify Him alone. That’s what worship is all about. And I believe God told us what days they should be but we are just ignoring them. I think they are the feast of Tabernacles and Passover. In the millennium everyone will be commanded to keep the feast of Tabernacles. And Passover is the day Jesus died.
Real Christians should forsake the lies and paganism of Christmas and Easter and keep the feast days God commanded us to. That’s what the early Christians did and what I intend to do.
We cannot expect revival as long as we cling to lies, false doctrines, and traditions of men.
If we want revival, we must gather the tares and bind them in bundles to be burned. And there sure are a lot of them. But we must be willing to give them up and not look back.
God bless you all.
Hosheyah 4:6, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you will be no priest to Me. Because you have forgotten the Law of Yahweh, I will also forget your children."
Proverbs 1:29-31, "Because they hated knowledge, and did not choose to give reverence to Yahweh! Since they would have none of my counsel, and despised all my rebuke and warning. They will eat the fruit of their own ways, and be completely idled with their own devices."
Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."
Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to Righteousness?"
Mattithyah 6:19, "Do not store up treasures for yourselves upon earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal; For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
Colossians 2:8, "Beware that no one leads you away like a prize because of philosophy or empty, false statements, according to the traditions of men, after the elements of the world, and not after the Messiah!"
Mark 7:13, "Making the Laws of Yahweh of no effect through your tradition you have handed down! And many other similar things you do."
1 Yahchanan 2:15-17, "Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of Yahweh abides forever."
What you say is true, may Yah guide us all to Him.
Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."
2 Kings 17:33-34, "They were taught how they might worship Yahweh, but instead they worshiped their own gods according to the customs of the nations from which they had been brought. To this day, they continue to practice their former pagan customs. They do not reverence Yahweh, nor do they follow the statutes, ordinances, Laws, and commandments which Yahweh had commanded the children of Yaaqob, whom He named Israyl."
ECCLESIASTES 1:4,9-11, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes; but the earth remains the same forever. That which has already been, will be yet again. That which has already been done, is what will yet be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which it may be said: Look! This is new? It has already been in ancient times, well before us. There is no memory of former generations, so there will be no memory of generations which will yet come by those generations who will come afterward."
Proverbs 1:29-31, "Because they hated knowledge, and did not choose to give reverence to Yahweh! Since they would have none of my counsel, and despised all my rebuke and warning. They will eat the fruit of their own ways, and be completely idled with their own devices."
Yahchanan (John) 4:24, "Yahweh is a Spirit and those who worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth."
Romans 6:16, "Do you not know that to whom you yield yourselves as servants to obey, his servants you are whom you obey—whether of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to Righteousness?"
Mattithyah 6:19, "Do not store up treasures for yourselves upon earth, where moth and rust consume, and where thieves break in and steal. But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust consumes, and where thieves do not break in and steal; For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."
Colossians 2:8, "Beware that no one leads you away like a prize because of philosophy or empty, false statements, according to the traditions of men, after the elements of the world, and not after the Messiah!"
Mark 7:13, "Making the Laws of Yahweh of no effect through your tradition you have handed down! And many other similar things you do."
1 Yahchanan 2:15-17, "Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of Yahweh abides forever."
What you say is true, may Yah guide us all to Him.
Leviticus 19:17, "You shall not hate your neighbor in your heart. Rebuke your brother or your sister frankly, so you will not share in his or her guilt."
2 Kings 17:33-34, "They were taught how they might worship Yahweh, but instead they worshiped their own gods according to the customs of the nations from which they had been brought. To this day, they continue to practice their former pagan customs. They do not reverence Yahweh, nor do they follow the statutes, ordinances, Laws, and commandments which Yahweh had commanded the children of Yaaqob, whom He named Israyl."
ECCLESIASTES 1:4,9-11, "One generation passes away, and another generation comes; but the earth remains the same forever. That which has already been, will be yet again. That which has already been done, is what will yet be done again; there is nothing new under the sun. Is there anything of which it may be said: Look! This is new? It has already been in ancient times, well before us. There is no memory of former generations, so there will be no memory of generations which will yet come by those generations who will come afterward."
T
The "christmas tree" represents
"the tree of knowledge of righteousness and evil"
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The "Christmas ornaments" represent the FORBIDDEN FRUIT
The garland represents the serpent
AND the garland is wrapped around the tree;
to represent the serpent's deception concerning the tree;
"the tree of knowledge of righteousness and evil"
View attachment 94010
The "Christmas ornaments" represent the FORBIDDEN FRUIT
The garland represents the serpent
AND the garland is wrapped around the tree;
to represent the serpent's deception concerning the tree;
K
The angels celebrated His birth 'glory to God in the highest".The Shepards celebrated his birth,the wisemen celebrated His birth.
One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it. He who eats, eats to the Lord, for he gives God thanks; and he who does not eat, to the Lord he does not eat, and gives God thanks (Rom. 14: 5-6).
The Bible doesnt say we should celebrate birthdays either but most people do.Here is a thought by a pastor I read while looking at Christmas issues....
Someone may argue against Christmas that it is a non-biblical holiday and since Christmas in not celebrated in the Bible, we should not celebrate it, either. First of all, the birth of Christ is biblical, so you cannot make a case by calling Christmas non-biblical, but I suppose you can say that Christmas is extra-biblical. That is, there is nothing in the Bible against it, and there are things in the holiday that is based on the Bible, but there is no command to celebrate the birth of Christ, so it is an extra-biblical holiday.
Jesus Himself celebrated an extra-biblical holiday that corresponds to Christmas. People are usually surprised to find this out. Yes, Jesus celebrated Hanukkah, and Hanukkah is not in the Old Testament.
Then came the Feast of Dedication at Jerusalem. It was winter, and Jesus was in the temple area walking in Solomon’s Colonnade. (John 10:22-23)
There is no Old Testament Feast of Dedication. There are several feasts mentioned in the Bible, but not Dedication. What feast is Dedication? That is Hanukkah. Hanukkah is a celebration of the victory of the Maccabees and the rededication of the Jerusalem Temple. It also commemorates the miracle of oil that burned for 8 days. This event took place after the last Old Testament prophet had written the scriptures. The scriptures were closed before this event, and thus, this Feast is extra-biblical. And Jesus was in the temple area where the feast was celebrated. He participated in Hanukkah.
Today, Christmas is celebrated next to Hanukkah. If Jesus celebrated a holiday that was not in the Bible, why can’t you enjoy Christmas as well and give gifts just as the Jews today give many gifts during Hanukkah?
If you think that now just wait, Here is a poem with some pictures to explain how I feel;
They know your not an initiate
they can stick it right in your face your not gettin it
Their symbology should bemoan you
Illuminati corporations worship satan and they seek to own you
Revelation 18:11-13, "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. "
Annuit conceptus ; Announcing conception novus ordo seclorum = New Order of the Ages
but $1 bills do not exist!
Psalm 2, "Why do the heathen rage, and the people plot vanity? The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel against Yahweh and His Anointed, saying; Let us break their bands asunder; Let us cast their yoke of bondage from us. He Who sits in the heavens will laugh them to scorn; Yahweh will treat them with derision and contempt! He shall speak to them in wrath! He shall terrify them in His great displeasure, saying: I set My King on Mount Zion, My holy hill. I will proclaim the decree Yahweh declared; Yahweh said to me: You are My Son, this day I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance. The ends of the earth will be for Your possession. With a rod of iron You will break the nations; You will dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel! Be wise, therefore, all you rulers; be instructed, you judges of the earth. All of you serve Yahweh with reverence; you shall rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled only a little. Blessed are they who will then put all their trust in mighty Yahweh; then they will stand as His Own Son."
They know your not an initiate
they can stick it right in your face your not gettin it
Their symbology should bemoan you
Illuminati corporations worship satan and they seek to own you
Revelation 18:11-13, "And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more: The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, And cinnamon, and odours, and ointments, and frankincense, and wine, and oil, and fine flour, and wheat, and beasts, and sheep, and horses, and chariots, and slaves, and souls of men. "
but $1 bills do not exist!
Psalm 2, "Why do the heathen rage, and the people plot vanity? The kings of the earth rise up, and the rulers take counsel against Yahweh and His Anointed, saying; Let us break their bands asunder; Let us cast their yoke of bondage from us. He Who sits in the heavens will laugh them to scorn; Yahweh will treat them with derision and contempt! He shall speak to them in wrath! He shall terrify them in His great displeasure, saying: I set My King on Mount Zion, My holy hill. I will proclaim the decree Yahweh declared; Yahweh said to me: You are My Son, this day I have begotten You. Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance. The ends of the earth will be for Your possession. With a rod of iron You will break the nations; You will dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel! Be wise, therefore, all you rulers; be instructed, you judges of the earth. All of you serve Yahweh with reverence; you shall rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry, and you perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled only a little. Blessed are they who will then put all their trust in mighty Yahweh; then they will stand as His Own Son."
I could be said, when Jesus was born, the wise men not only celebrated His birth, but ironically, probably prophetically celebrated His death:
Matt 2:11 (KJV)
11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
- Original: σμύρνα
- Transliteration: Smurna
- Phonetic: smoor'-nah
- Definition:
1. myrrh, a bitter gum and costly perfume which exudes from a certain tree or shrub in Arabia and Ethiopia, or is obtained by incisions made in the bark: as an antiseptic it was used for embalming (Thayer)
Matt 2:11 (KJV)
11And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
- Original: σμύρνα
- Transliteration: Smurna
- Phonetic: smoor'-nah
- Definition:
1. myrrh, a bitter gum and costly perfume which exudes from a certain tree or shrub in Arabia and Ethiopia, or is obtained by incisions made in the bark: as an antiseptic it was used for embalming (Thayer)
Wow. Nine pages and still nothing new, nothing that has not been in every other "Christmas is PAGAN!!!" thread...
Oh wait there was one thing new. The (patently false, but hilarious anyway... Santa's suit was originally green, not red - it became red when Coca-Cola got hold of Santa for advertising) part about Molech being the precursor of Santa. That was something I've never seen before.
Aside from that bit of false information, there is nothing new under the sun. And we wasted nine pages saying nothing new. Sad.
Oh wait there was one thing new. The (patently false, but hilarious anyway... Santa's suit was originally green, not red - it became red when Coca-Cola got hold of Santa for advertising) part about Molech being the precursor of Santa. That was something I've never seen before.
Aside from that bit of false information, there is nothing new under the sun. And we wasted nine pages saying nothing new. Sad.
T
Okay, enough stupidity, nonsensical misinformation/lies and poor scholarship. This has got to stop! I didn't want to have to resort to good scholarship and the truth, but you've left me no choice.
5 Christmas Myths: Busted! (video in post #6)
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...christmas-no-more-christmas-evil-threads.html
5 Christmas Myths: Busted! (video in post #6)
http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...christmas-no-more-christmas-evil-threads.html
I cant I have to log soon!The New International Dictionary of the Christian Church, Revised Edition, by Zondervan Publishing, on page 222
CHRISTIAN YEAR, THE. The early Christians who were mainly Jews were used not only to keeping one day in the week as separate but also to marking the year with certain religious festivals, notably Passover, Tabernacles, and Pentecost. From early times Christians kept a commemoration of Christ’s resurrection. This was held at Passover time and was finally fixed on the Sunday following Passover. Pentecost was then celebrated at the appropriate time; the fifty days between the two were days of joy and rejoicing. The choice of 25 December (in the East, 6 January) for the birth of Christ is almost certainly because that day was the great pagan day of honor to the sun, and in Rome in the fourth century it was transformed into a Christian festival. CHRISTMAS. The English name for the Feast of the Nativity of Christ kept on 25 December by the Western Church. There is no evidence of a Feast of the Nativity before the fourth century, except possibly among the Basilidians. Theearliestmentionof25 December is in the Philocalian Calendar, compiledin354, which cites its observance in Rome in 336. It would not appear to have been celebrated in Antioch until approximately 375. By380 it was being observed in Constantinople, and by 430 in Alexandria. It was still unknown in Jerusalem early in the fifth century t was not until the sixth century that the Nativity was finally detached from 6 January and celebrated on 25 December. By the middle of the fifth century it was being gradually observed throughout East and West. The Armenians still observe 6 January, the closely related Feast of the Epiphany, as Christmas Day. There is no authoritative historical evidence as to the day or month of Christ’s birth in Jerusalem. 25 December was the date of a Roman pagan festival inaugurated in 274 as the birth day of the unconquered sun which at the winter solstice begins again to show an increase in light. Sometime before 336 the Church in Rome, unable to stamp out this pagan festival, spiritualized it as the Feast of the Nativity of the Sun of Righteousness.
1 Chronicles 15:13, "Because you, the Levites, did not bring it up the first time, Yahweh our Father broke out against us, because we did not inquire of Him about the proper way to carry it."
Colossians 2:8, "Beware that no one leads you away like a prize because of philosophy or empty, false statements, according to the traditions of men, after the elements of the world, and not after the Messiah!"
T
Hiz, what you do is create an issue that isn't even there and then you fight it with all you have. That's just silly. I love our Triune God, I endeavour to put Him first in my life. You're using verses that don't even relate to the topic at hand. But I've noticed most of your posts at CC seem to struggle with the concept of reading the Bible in context.
Heb 4:2, "For this message was preached to us, as well as to them; but the word which they heard did not benefit them, because they did not share in the faith of those who obeyed. "
Everything written in the Scripture is there for our learning, we do not want to fall after the same error as in times past right?
Yeremyah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is Yahweh?..The pastors also transgressed against Me.., and walked after things of worthlessness"
If they "did not ask; Where is Yahweh? and "walked after things of worthlessness" we would not want to do the same thing right?
If the Creator doesn't change, and He cared about how He was worshiped and gave Instruction in the past, why is it any different now, IF He doesn't change?
1 Chronicles 15:13, "Because you, the Levites, did not bring it up the first time, Yahweh our Father broke out against us, because we did not inquire of Him about the proper way to carry it."
SO we know the Levites fell into error, and the Levitical priesthood was disbanded... cast out... cut off from Yah... I would not want the same to happen to me or any who follow Yahshua. (and dont even try to justify disobedience because we have mercy, not saying you would but just saying) SO can we learn from that? Or is that verse useless?
And this....
Colossians 2:8, "Beware that no one leads you away like a prize because of philosophy or empty, false statements, according to the traditions of men, after the elements of the world, and not after the Messiah!"
do not get carried away by "traditions of men, after the elements of the world" (TV, movies, video games, sportrs, etc not that those things are bad, but being led away from Messiah because of them is) Now consider Chrsitmas... what were the numbers on that chart 50-70% of parents lie to their children about santa?
Materialisim, lies, pagan roots, distraction from Messiah.
What about don't be friends with the world?
Tintin, I know im not liked here, but really be honest have I spoken anything wrong in this post?
Mattithyah 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.
1 Yahchanan 2:15-17, "Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of Yahweh abides forever."
Everything written in the Scripture is there for our learning, we do not want to fall after the same error as in times past right?
Yeremyah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is Yahweh?..The pastors also transgressed against Me.., and walked after things of worthlessness"
If they "did not ask; Where is Yahweh? and "walked after things of worthlessness" we would not want to do the same thing right?
If the Creator doesn't change, and He cared about how He was worshiped and gave Instruction in the past, why is it any different now, IF He doesn't change?
1 Chronicles 15:13, "Because you, the Levites, did not bring it up the first time, Yahweh our Father broke out against us, because we did not inquire of Him about the proper way to carry it."
SO we know the Levites fell into error, and the Levitical priesthood was disbanded... cast out... cut off from Yah... I would not want the same to happen to me or any who follow Yahshua. (and dont even try to justify disobedience because we have mercy, not saying you would but just saying) SO can we learn from that? Or is that verse useless?
And this....
Colossians 2:8, "Beware that no one leads you away like a prize because of philosophy or empty, false statements, according to the traditions of men, after the elements of the world, and not after the Messiah!"
do not get carried away by "traditions of men, after the elements of the world" (TV, movies, video games, sportrs, etc not that those things are bad, but being led away from Messiah because of them is) Now consider Chrsitmas... what were the numbers on that chart 50-70% of parents lie to their children about santa?
Materialisim, lies, pagan roots, distraction from Messiah.
What about don't be friends with the world?
Tintin, I know im not liked here, but really be honest have I spoken anything wrong in this post?
Mattithyah 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.
1 Yahchanan 2:15-17, "Do not love the world, nor the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world: the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, with the lust that is in it; but he who does the will of Yahweh abides forever."
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I don't want to sway anyone on this issue, as I believe it's important to follow conscience. Plus I'm not sure on the day of judgment, God's going to say, "Hey, why didn't you celebrate Christmas?"
But just looking at the objections, Chinese food also has pagan origins strictly speaking. But why does it matter of someone in the past used similar symbols? My thinking is, so what? Why should I care what an ancient pagan did on Dec. 25th? And if symbols they used can also be used to remind me of things of God, why can't I use them too?
Also, why should a christian not have liberty to remember Christ's birth on a specific day of the year (or day of the week for that matter)? Doesn't Romans 14 cover this? Plus, I don't know any christians that claim Christ was actually born on Dec. 25th, so it's not like they're claiming extra biblical knowledge. It's just a date that worked out real well.
I'd just like to know where my non-observant brothers are coming from on this. Grace and Peace.
But just looking at the objections, Chinese food also has pagan origins strictly speaking. But why does it matter of someone in the past used similar symbols? My thinking is, so what? Why should I care what an ancient pagan did on Dec. 25th? And if symbols they used can also be used to remind me of things of God, why can't I use them too?
Also, why should a christian not have liberty to remember Christ's birth on a specific day of the year (or day of the week for that matter)? Doesn't Romans 14 cover this? Plus, I don't know any christians that claim Christ was actually born on Dec. 25th, so it's not like they're claiming extra biblical knowledge. It's just a date that worked out real well.
I'd just like to know where my non-observant brothers are coming from on this. Grace and Peace.