THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

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and somewhere in all that ...you don't steal ...you don't kill...you don't covet...you are patient...you love the Lord....you do good to all men especially of the household of faith.....are these thing not contained in the law? so by following the Spirit one do the things contained in the law...are you now become under the law?....does Mitspa do these things....does EG do these things...I am almost certain they do....it does not put them under the law ...but if I do the same these guys put me under the law...
No I don't ... I don't walk in flesh, I have flesh that I walk in, but I walk in the Holy Spirit, putting off the flesh, it's simpler then one thinks.. I don't think about these things, sometimes laugh or shm seeing something vain and ridiculous, when you get to where I am you realize you don't want these things, this is how I've " over came the world "... I want for nothing in it.. I walk in the Spirit.. not the carnal minded flesh
 
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Cain was also the first false teacher who pushed his works and expected God to receive it....."Jude"
Yea got mad because God did not accept his labors in the ground God had already made clear was cursed (law)...but God gave him a chance to repent from dead works...but he would not and his anger turned to hate and then to murder of his brother who most likely loved him.
 
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No he though you were being rude, like making a joke I guess, he misunderstood about "written in the margins thing" (the added words)
I had already stated it was not in scripture, like three or four times, but you two skip over what I said and talk among yourselves, kind of rude... Anyway " I copied and pasted " you mention a copyist.. Am I not supposed to think your talking about me ? Forget about it, no harm done.. but would be appreciated if you actually READ what I'm saying instead of talking amongst yourselves as I posted my response to it... " it wasn't in scripture "
 
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If your in the Spirit you don't need the law, the law recognize sin, it arouses sin. If we live in the Spirit, we don't worry about the flesh, Paul explained it well in Romans 6,7,8... Then end result is in 8, walking in the Spirit.. No one can keep the 613 laws but Yahshua simplified them but made them stiffer, why He said He didn't come to destroy but fulfill.

Matthew 22:34-40


34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Love Your Enemies
…43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,



John 13:34-35


34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”


So these are part of the Commandments ...

If anyone thinks there under the old law of the 613 ... Read John 6, and Romans 14
Well your missing the part where Paul tells them they ARE in the flesh...because they have put themselves back under the works of the law...So when he tells them to walk in the Spirit and they are not under the law...its not because they was under the law by Gods will to begin with. If anyone is looking to the law to justify themselves before God....they are in the flesh...acting religious does not mean someone is in the spirit...in fact its just the opposite. I agree with your post just wanted to explain what Paul was teaching in context of all he said in the book of Gal.
 
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No I don't ... I don't walk in flesh, I have flesh that I walk in, but I walk in the Holy Spirit, putting off the flesh, it's simpler then one thinks.. I don't think about these things, sometimes laugh or shm seeing something vain and ridiculous, when you get to where I am you realize you don't want these things, this is how I've " over came the world "... I want for nothing in it.. I walk in the Spirit.. not the carnal minded flesh
so what do you do walking in the spirit?...does walking in the Spirit affect your physical body? or only your spiritual being?...what do you mean by..
.when you get to where I am
where are you? and how did you get there?
 
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love is about doing....faith is about doing....fruits of the spirit is about doing....
Yep we "do" because we are justified and have been empowered by Gods grace and Spirit....not to be justified
 
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Barnabas - A.D. 70 -
He who keeps them will be glorified in the kingdom of God. However, he who chooses other things will be destroyed with his works. -Only those who fear the Lord and keep His commandments have life with God; but as for those who do not keep His commandments, there is no life in them. -We ought therefore, brethren, carefully to inquire concerning our salvation. Otherwise, the wicked one, having made his entrance by deceit, may hurl us forth from our life.


Justin Martyr- 100 -168 AD - was martyred by beheading. His works are earliest sizeable Christian apologetics:
Man acts by his own free will and not by fate. (20) We have learned from the prophets, and we hold it to be true, that punishments, chastisements, and rewards are rendered according to the merit of each man’s actions. Otherwise, if all things happen by fate, then nothing is in our own power. For if it be predestined that one man be good and another man evil, then the first is not deserving of praise or the other to be blamed. Unless humans have the power of avoiding evil and choosing good by free choice, they are not accountable for their actions-whatever they may be…. For neither would a man be worthy of reward or praise if he did not of himself choose the good, but was merely created for that end. Likewise, if a man were evil, he would not deserve punishment, since he was not evil of himself, being unable to do anything else than what he was made for. (21)
But that you may not have a pretext for saying that Christ must have been crucified, and that those who transgressed must have been among your nation, and that the matter could not have been otherwise, I said briefly by anticipation, that God, wishing men and angels to follow His will, resolved to create them free to do righteousness; possessing reason, that they may know by whom they are created, and through whom they, not existing formerly, do now exist; and with a law that they should be judged by Him, if they do anything contrary to right reason: and of ourselves we, men and angels, shall be convicted of having acted sinfully, unlesswe repent beforehand. But if the word of God foretells that some angels and men shall be certainly punished, it did so because it foreknew that they would be unchangeably [wicked], but not because God had created them so.
But I believe that even those, who have been persuaded . . . to observe the legal dispensation along with their confession of God in Christ, shall probably be saved. And I hold, further, that such as have confessed and known this man to be Christ, yet who have gone back from some cause to the legal dispensation, and have denied that this man is Christ, and have not repented before death, shall by no means be saved. Further, I hold that those of the seed of Abraham who live according to the law, and do not believe in this Christ before death, shall likewise not be saved [Justin Martyr, Dialogue Of Justin 47]


Didache, A.D.140 -
“Watch for your life’s sake. Let not your lamps be quenched, nor your loins unloosed; but be ye ready, for ye know not the hour in which our Lord cometh. But often shall ye come together, seeking the things which are befitting to your souls: for the whole time of your faith will not profit you, if ye be not made perfect in the last time.


Hermas - Shepherd of Hermas - Didache, A.D.140 -
They only who fear the Lord and keep His commandments have life with God; but as to those who keep not His commandments, there is no life in them. [Shepherd of Hermas, 2.7]
For the Lord has sworn by His glory, in regard to His elect, that if any one of them sin after a certain day which has been fixed, he will not be saved. For the repentance of the righteous has limits. Filled up are the days of repentance to all the saints. But to the unbeliever, repentance will be possible even to the last day… For the Lord has sworn by His Son, that those who denied their Lord have abandoned their life to despair.
And he said, “If you do not guard yourself against [anger], you and your house lose all hope of salvation . . . [Hermas. Pastor of Hermas. Book 1.4.1.]
“Hear now,” said he, “how wicked is the action of anger, and in what way it overthrows the servants of God by its action, and turns them from righteousness. But [anger] does not turn away those who are full of faith, nor does it act on them, for the power of the Lord is with them. [Book 1-2, Commandment Fourth, Chap. 1.]


Irenaeus - A.D. 156-180
“Christ shall not die again in behalf of those who now commit sin, for death shall no more have dominion over Him; but the Son shall come in the glory of the Father, requiring from His stewards and dispensers the money which He had entrusted to them, with usury; and from those to whom He had given most shall He demand most. We ought not, therefore, as that presbyter remarks, to be puffed up, nor be severe upon those of old time, but ought ourselves to fear, lest perchance, after [we have come to] the knowledge of Christ, if we do things displeasing to God, we obtain no further forgiveness of sins, but be shut out from His kingdom. And therefore it was that Paul said, ‘For if [God] spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest He also spare not thee, who, when thou wert a wild olive tree, wert grafted into the fatness of the olive tree, and wert made a partaker of its fatness.’” [Against Heresies 4.27.2]
It is not to those who are on the outside that he said these things, but to us – LEST WE SHOULD BE CAST FORTH FROM THE KINGDOM OF GOD, by doing any such thing.[ Against Heresies 4.27.4]
Knowing that WHAT PRESERVES HIS LIFE, NAMELY, OBEDIENCE TO GOD, is good, he may diligently keep it with all earnestness. [Against Heresies 4.39.1]
But with respect to obedience and doctrine we are not all the sons of God: those only are so who believe in Him and do His will. And those who do not believe, and do not obey His will, are sons and angels of the devil, because they do the works of the devil. [Against Heresies, Book 41, 2.]
Those who do not obey Him, but being disinherited by Him, have ceased to be His sons. [Against Heresies 4.41.3]
That eternal fire has been prepared for him as he apostatized from God of his own free-will, and likewise for all who unrepentant continue in the apostasy, he now blasphemes, by means of such men, the Lord who brings judgment [upon him] as being already condemned, and imputes the guilt of his apostasy to his Maker, not to his own voluntary disposition.” (Justin Martyr, fragment in Irenaeus’ Against Heresies, 5:26:1)


Tertullian - A.D. 150-220 -
1 John 2:19 - But what if a bishop, if a deacon, if a widow, if a virgin, if a doctor, if even a martyr, have fallen from the rule (of faith), will heresies on that account appear to possess the truth? Do we prove the faith by the persons, or the persons by the faith? No one is wise, no one is faithful, no one excels in dignity, but the Christian; and no one is a Christian but he who perseveres even to the end. [Tertullian, The Prescription Against Heretics, Chap 3.]
But the world returned unto sin; in which point baptism would ill be compared to the deluge. And so it is destined to fire; just as the man too is, who after baptism renews his sins: so that this also ought to be accepted as a sign for our admonition. [Tertullian, On Repentance, 2.9]
For do not many afterwards fall out of [grace]? Is not this gift taken away from many? But some think as if God were under a necessity of bestowing even on the unworthy, what He has engaged (to give); and they turn His liberality into slavery. But if it is of necessity that God grants us the symbol of death, then He does so unwillingly. But who permits a gift to be permanently retained which he has granted unwillingly? Is not this gift taken away from many?” [On Repentance, Ch. 6]
God had foreseen that faith even after baptism would be endangered. He saw that most persons after obtaining salvation would be lost again, by soiling the wedding dress, by failing to provide oil for their torches.The world returned to sin…and so it is destined to fire. So is the man who after baptism renews his sins.” [On Baptism, Ch. 8]
“We ought indeed to walk so holily, and with so entire substantially of faith, as to be confident and secure in regard of our own conscience, desiring that it may abide in us to the end. Yet, we should not presume [that it will]. For he who presumes, feels less apprehension. He who feels less apprehension, takes less precaution. He who takes less precaution, runs more risk. Fear is the foundation of salvation. Presumption is the impediment to fear…More useful, then, is it to apprehend that we may possibly fail, than to presume that we cannot. For apprehending will lead us to fear, fear to caution, and caution to salvation. On the other hand, if we presume, there will be neither fear nor caution to save us.” [- Book 2, Chapter 2]
“He saw that most persons after obtaining salvation would be lost again, by soiling the wedding dress, by failing to provide oil for their torches.” [Scorpiace, Ch. 6]


Clement of Alexandria, A.D. 195 -
He who hopes for everlasting rest knows also that the entrance to it is toilsome and narrow. So let him who has once received the gospel not turn back.
God gives forgiveness of past sins. However, as to future sins, each one procures this for himself. He does this by repenting, by condemning past deeds, and by begging the Father to blot them out. Clement of Alexandria, A.D. 195







And then there was AUGUSTINE = Catholicism & Calvin
Friend please don't try to impose these false catholic teachers on us...If you want to put these guys opinion above Gods clear and evident Word...that's your business.... I have a question for Catholics who try to impose moral standards on others as if others need to "earn" salvation? Are all these ungodly catholics in leadership saved or lost? does you moral standards apply to their salvation or just to Protestants who reject that these people have any standing in the Kingdom of God?
 
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so what do you do walking in the spirit?...does walking in the Spirit affect your physical body? or only your spiritual being?...what do you mean by.. where are you? and how did you get there?
Ok, what do I do.. I stop thinking carnally, most carnal thought I've had would be one of those new hellcats or a honda cbr 1000 to do about 150 or so, then I'd be ok lol.. that happens every once in a while... but that's not my goal in life, I don't need it, my goal in life is pleasing God, helping others and taking care of my family..Everything else is just smoking mirrors to me, I do enjoy out doors but it cost nothing to do so.. I don't covet what somebody else has, it's just bricks and metal..

. No the Spirit doesn't effect the body, where I am, is I beat the world.. No one can put nothing in my face that I dwell on or harbor, " I don't want it " and that goes with how I got here, I've past up big money brother, I'm talking kilos and pot houses, even before I came to God, I was ready for a change, I didn't want to cheat my way through life anymore, then I was offered a legit way into cheating people
" into fantasy land ", as long as I realized what was powering it " the deceiver ", again, I wasn't with it... I made my choice, I don't care about the things of this world.. I care about loving God and my family, and my neighbor, and my enemies ... Do you see how this works ? I care about God, Son " Messiah, and the Spirit that cares for others souls.. Our will lines up now, I'm a servant to my Master " God ", which makes me a servant to others.. " you "..
 
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Friend please don't try to impose these false catholic teachers on us...If you want to put these guys opinion above Gods clear and evident Word...that's your business.... I have a question for Catholics who try to impose moral standards on others as if others need to "earn" salvation? Are all these ungodly catholics in leadership saved or lost? does you moral standards apply to their salvation or just to Protestants who reject that these people have any standing in the Kingdom of God?
Very odd to me when catholics teach moral works to be saved? When they don't even hold their own leadership to any moral standards for salvation? If they put any of these guys to the standard they try to lay on others...no catholic leader I have ever heard of would be saved?
 
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Yea got mad because God did not accept his labors in the ground God had already made clear was cursed (law)...but God gave him a chance to repent from dead works...but he would not and his anger turned to hate and then to murder of his brother who most likely loved him.
I cannot help but think about all those who will come before God bragging on their

1. Works
2. Ability to prophesy
3. Ability to cast out demons

and Jesus said, I never knew you....The God who knows all things states that HE NEVER KNEW THEM....

Goes to the root of salvation.....and tragic, as most religions who name Jesus add the things listed to Jesus for salvation!
 
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I cannot help but think about all those who will come before God bragging on their

1. Works
2. Ability to prophesy
3. Ability to cast out demons

and Jesus said, I never knew you....The God who knows all things states that HE NEVER KNEW THEM....

Goes to the root of salvation.....and tragic, as most religions who name Jesus add the things listed to Jesus for salvation!
These type of things are not what causes someone to be saved or really even closer to God. They are things that area product of salvation for those who believe. Doing or Not doing these works does not mean one is not saved nor close to God.
The only sin that any non Christian is guilty of is not accepting Jesus into their life. The bible speaks about signs being for the unbeliever. Hard to dispute when someone is cured of terminal cancer by the power of God. Signs and wonders? Praise God for them.
Ye shall know them by their fruits...not necessarily by their works even though the word says " In my name they shall cast out demons etc etc.

Wonder how many demons are cast out when someone is saved ?
 
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What about the prophacy of Isaiah 66:17? I mean sincerely, what do you think about it? I don't see any other way to take it than well, face value. Seems rather simple and plain spoken.

"Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine's flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether," declares the LORD.
Hi Brainfreeze, in case you missed it, I was trying to have a conversation with you, the above post. Next thing I see, you are calling me rude for my comment to Hiz that had nothing to do with you. Now I don't mind if anyone here does not care to answer/acknowledge me, so what? Just wanted to try again..skip over me if you'd rather..I'm not here to be a pest, but it takes 2 to have a conversation.
I had already stated it was not in scripture, like three or four times, but you two skip over what I said and talk among yourselves, kind of rude... Anyway " I copied and pasted " you mention a copyist.. Am I not supposed to think your talking about me ? Forget about it, no harm done.. but would be appreciated if you actually READ what I'm saying instead of talking amongst yourselves as I posted my response to it... " it wasn't in scripture "
..so it doesn't makes sense to me that you post this
 
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Hi Brainfreeze, in case you missed it, I was trying to have a conversation with you, the above post. Next thing I see, you are calling me rude for my comment to Hiz that had nothing to do with you. Now I don't mind if anyone here does not care to answer/acknowledge me, so what? Just wanted to try again..skip over me if you'd rather..I'm not here to be a pest, but it takes 2 to have a conversation.

..so it doesn't makes sense to me that you post this
Isaiah is OT, I try to stay in the New Testament not that the old is obsolete, but the new clarifies.. There was no Holy Spirit present just flesh in the book of Isaiah, the Holy Spirit is present in the NT... So, if you can explain Romans 14 and John 6 maybe that can help...

As for the comment made to Hizikayah, was it not about my post ? or am I misunderstanding something ? If it was, then it does have to do with me, and are you saying you skipped over my post that said
" it wasn't part of scripture" because I didn't answer your question ? I apologize for not answering you, it was getting late and I was in the middle of convo with Hizikayah trying to understand where he was coming from and studying/ pulling up studies of my own..
 
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Barnabas - A.D. 70 -
He who keeps them will be glorified in the kingdom of God. However, he who chooses other things will be destroyed with his works. -Only those who fear the Lord and keep His commandments have life with God; but as for those who do not keep His commandments, there is no life in them. -We ought therefore, brethren, carefully to inquire concerning our salvation. Otherwise, the wicked one, having made his entrance by deceit, may hurl us forth from our life.

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You don't have any obedience ...you don't keep the law of Moses nor do you keep the law of Christ? All you do is attempt to pull others into your lawless condition.
So you take the position of judge and declare my level of obedience, I post the Messiah's words all you do is post slanderous accusations in which you still have not quoted a single time where I partook in there actions you claim of me.

Lawless condition?

I declare before the universe that these words are true:

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."
 
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Isaiah is OT, I try to stay in the New Testament not that the old is obsolete, but the new clarifies.. There was no Holy Spirit present just flesh in the book of Isaiah, the Holy Spirit is present in the NT... So, if you can explain Romans 14 and John 6 maybe that can help...

As for the comment made to Hizikayah, was it not about my post ? or am I misunderstanding something ? If it was, then it does have to do with me, and are you saying you skipped over my post that said
" it wasn't part of scripture" because I didn't answer your question ? I apologize for not answering you, it was getting late and I was in the middle of convo with Hizikayah trying to understand where he was coming from and studying/ pulling up studies of my own..
Thanks for the reply, it's easier to iron things out sooner than later, and I did not want to leave you the wrong impression. I was merely asking Hiz for clarification on something I studied a while back. It gets confusing here, I can't keep up.

Thanks again for your take on Isaiah.
 
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Yep we "do" because we are justified and have been empowered by Gods grace and Spirit....not to be justified
if one is not justified by their actions then they are condemn by their actions ...there is no middle ground....God did justify and empower us....but we must continue being just before God....How does one do that...it is our everyday action that must be righteous before God...if not and they are unrighteous how can we stand before God as justified...???
 

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Isaiah is OT, I try to stay in the New Testament not that the old is obsolete, but the new clarifies.. There was no Holy Spirit present just flesh in the book of Isaiah, the Holy Spirit is present in the NT
I used to think the same thing, because well, I was taught that, but I looked into it a few years back and If I remember the holy Spirit came on people about 90 times recorded in the OT, here are a few examples:

Numbers 11:17 “Then I will come down and speak with you there, and I will take of the Spirit who is upon you, and will put Him upon them; and they shall bear the burden of the people with you, so that you will not bear it all alone.

1 Samuel 16:14 Now the Spirit of the Lord departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the Lord terrorized him.

1 Samuel 16:13 Then Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the midst of his brothers; and the Spirit of the Lord came mightily upon David from that day forward. And Samuel arose and went to Ramah.

Numbers 11:25 Then the Lord came down in the cloud and spoke to him; and He took of the Spirit who was upon him and placed Him upon the seventy elders. And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied. But they did not do it again.

Isaiah 63:10, "But they rebelled And grieved His Holy Spirit; Therefore He turned Himself to become their enemy, He fought against them."
 
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Thanks for the reply, it's easier to iron things out sooner than later, and I did not want to leave you the wrong impression. I was merely asking Hiz for clarification on something I studied a while back. It gets confusing here, I can't keep up.

Thanks again for your take on Isaiah.
Ok I don't know if this was sarcasm or sincerity here.. but that part of Isaiah, I think is talking of some gentile preacher maybe " the one in the middle " as for the pig and mice, I don't eat detestable stuff, my favorites are fish, roast beef, and maybe chicken, veggies and fruit. As Romans 14 states though, I don't hate someone for eating it.. If they like it, fine. I'm not under the laws of Moses, I'm under stiffer laws of Yahshua " love my enemies " type of law...

Romans 14

1Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. 2For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. 3Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. 4Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.

John 6

32Then Yahshua said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Moses gave you not that bread from heaven; but my Father giveth you the true bread from heaven. 33For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth life unto the world.
 

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that is the gospel according to McGee....if the Spirit of God dwells in you...what is he telling you...or do you not listen to him but only to McGee...here is guidance and correction...direct from scripture...
we are saved by grace through faith....if your faith have no works it is dead...and cannot save....that is not rocket science ....you conclude a believer is under the law and all work is works of the law(red)....you also conclude faith is only in the mind(blue)

[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

[SUP]26 [/SUP]Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

if you do vs 22, 23 & 24 you are fulfilling the law of commandments...



Hebrews 11:8

By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

James 2:20-24
[SUP]20 [/SUP]But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
McGee is no longer with us. I had originally heard his sermons dating back in the 80's. It would seem that the Lord is/was with him, as his messages are being aired still today.

When a pastor, say McGee in this case. reads directly from the bible.
The pastor then does not add or take anything away from what is written in the scriptures. Does that make it the gospel according to McGee? or whoever the pastor is that's reading from the scriptures? I think not.

I listen to many pastors on Christian radio. They read from the scriptures. They all share the same Gospel of what is written.
With hearing so many pastors sermons. It really stands out when/if one speaks of what is not written in the Bible.

I heard another powerful sermon last week from another pastor who is no longer with us. His sermon was the workings of the Holy Spirit. His reading of scripture was how the Holy Spirit will guide us, direct us in truth, convict us, and make us aware when we hear false truths of what is written.

As Christian believers. We must ask ourselves. Do we hear Gods word as having influence on our hearts? Do we believe and have awareness of the of the Holy Spirit working in our lives? If not. One should really step up to the plate and seek a relationship with Jesus. For Jesus works in ones heart. Its not about intellect.