THE GREAT DEBATE...LAW AND GRACE

[Brainfreeze]

Hmm... that's strange... is not the ten commandments the very core of showing love for Yahuwah and for one another?

If I love you, I will not lie, steal from you, covet what you have, murder you, ect...

"on these two commandments hang all the law"

1st 4 commandments between us and the Father
last 6 between us from one to another.

…37And He said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE YAHWEH YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38"This is the great and foremost commandment. 39"The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'…




21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER ' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' 22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. 23"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,…





…43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…





…18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.




5This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.…

 

[Hizikyah]

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Yes that's Gods Spirit and Gods love...not the law of Moses...not the written code of law

I dont want to error because I let my personal desires get in the way as to bring a flaw into THE PERFECT RECORDED WORDS of Scripture, so I will post only Scripture.

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."


Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."


1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws (entole). For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."

the word Law is: #G3551 - nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law* and to the testimony*: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the *Law of Yahweh, and have the *testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

"Law" is word g#1785 - entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Law of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

"Law" is word g#1785 - entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

 

[Mitspa]

Yes we know that whatsoever the law says it says to those under the law to make the whole world guilty before God...The Lord brought the law to its full standard ..where even the Pharisees should have seen there guilt... he also said not one jot or tittle would pass away until ALL was fulfilled....did He fulfill it all or only part? Read the whole counsel of God...see how the law is a witness to the gospel...

 

[Mitspa]

I dont want to error because I let my personal desires get in the way as to bring a flaw into THE PERFECT RECORDED WORDS of Scripture, so I will post only Scripture.

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 22:36-40, "Teacher, what is the greatest commandment in the Law? Yahshua said to him: You must love Yahweh your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."

Romans 13:9-10, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law."


Exodus 20:6, "But showing love to thousands who love Me by keeping My Laws."


1 Yahchanan 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yahweh: When we love Yahweh by keeping His Laws (entole). For this is the love of Yahweh: That we keep His Law, and His Law is not grievous."

Yeremyah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

"Law" is word #H8451 - torah - torah: direction, instruction, law Original Word: תּוֹרָה Part of Speech: Noun Feminine Transliteration: torah

Hebrews 10:16, "This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says Yahweh: I will put My Law into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them."

the word Law is: #G3551 - nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Matt 7:12, "So then, whatever you desire that others would do to and for you, even so do also to and for them, for this is (sums up) the Law and the Prophets."

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

Yahchanan (John) 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Isayah 8:20, "To the Law* and to the testimony*: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

Revelation 12:17, "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went to make war with those who forsook her seed; her seed being those who keep the *Law of Yahweh, and have the *testimony of Yahshua Messiah."

"Law" is word g#1785 - entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Revelation 14:12, "In this manner are the saints purified--by keeping the Law of Yahweh, (in conformity) with the faith in Yahshua Messiah."

"Law" is word g#1785 - entolé
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.

Well I suggest you get some new sources on your Greek and your translation...entole is commandment....never is it nomos...law No Greek scholar would ever change those words around like that...that was done by some corrupt legalist playing games with Gods Word and they shall bear their judgment.

 

[Hizikyah]

…37And He said to him, "'YOU SHALL LOVE THE YAHWEH YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.' 38"This is the great and foremost commandment. 39"The second is like it, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.'…


21"You have heard that the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER ' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court.' 22"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, 'You fool,' shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell. 23"Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,…





…43"You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.' 44"But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.…





…18"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20"For I say to you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.




5This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth; 7but if we walk in the Light as He Himself is in the Light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin.…

Thank you for these verses! Truth is strengthening! This is an amazing passage imo, supporting your verse!

Isayah 42:19-23, "Who is blind if not My servant? And deaf like My messenger, whom I send? Who is blind as he who is perfect, or blind as Yahweh's servant? You see many things, but you do not observe; his ears are open, but he does not hear! Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, (Mt 19:17-21, Mt 5:20-30, etc.) and make it honorable; But this is a people robbed and plundered; all of them are trapped in holes, and hidden in prison houses. They are for prey, and none deliver; for plunder, and none says; Restore them! Who among you will give ear to this? Who will pay attention and hear about the time to come?

 

[posthuman]

just wanted to jump in and thank God for His grace in giving me a new heart with His law inscribed on it . . .

♥ + † = ♥​

 

[Mitspa]

Thank you for these verses! Truth is strengthening! This is an amazing passage imo, supporting your verse!

Isayah 42:19-23, "Who is blind if not My servant? And deaf like My messenger, whom I send? Who is blind as he who is perfect, or blind as Yahweh's servant? You see many things, but you do not observe; his ears are open, but he does not hear! Yahweh is well-pleased, for His righteousness' sake, to magnify the Law, (Mt 19:17-21, Mt 5:20-30, etc.) and make it honorable; But this is a people robbed and plundered; all of them are trapped in holes, and hidden in prison houses. They are for prey, and none deliver; for plunder, and none says; Restore them! Who among you will give ear to this? Who will pay attention and hear about the time to come?

Yep that's what Christ done...He magnified the law to its true level...where all where made guilty....and He told them do not think that I will accuse you...there is one who accuses you, Moses in whom you trust.

 

[Hizikyah]

Well I suggest you get some new sources on your Greek and your translation...entole is commandment....never is it nomos...law No Greek scholar would ever change those words around like that...that was done by some corrupt legalist playing games with Gods Word and they shall bear their judgment.

Command, precept, Instruction, Law, Torah, Commandment, all semantics, what ever the Most High says to do is what a follower should do. If you want to get into language, you would know "Law" is not even a accurate word in the Old Testament, Torah means Instructions, not Law, but the word "Law" is so much more "stern and unforgiving" while the word "Instructions" is "more personal" Why did they not accurately translated it "Instructions?" I understand different people have different views on what should be read and obeyed, that is each individuals choice, but I would personally urge people to seek Scripture, not someone vaguely using true Scriptural principles, without posting Scripture, to "defeat" Scripture that is posted....

I ask you of one Scriptural principle., can you confirm your doctrine in the mouth of 2 or 3 witness in Scripture? Can you confirm your doctrine with the words of Jesus?

1785. entolé

Strong's Concordance

entolé: an injunction, order, command​

Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.


#1785 ἐντολή entole {en-tol-ay'} from G1781; TDNT - 2:545,234; n f
[h=4]—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)[/h]
1) an order, command, charge, precept, injunction 1a) that which is prescribed to one by reason of his office 2) a commandment 2a) a prescribed rule in accordance with which a thing is done 2a1) a precept relating to lineage, of the Mosaic precept concerning the priesthood 2a2) ethically used of the commandments in the Mosaic law or Jewish tradition
[h=4]—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)[/h] From G1781; injunction, that is, an authoritative prescription:—commandment, precept.
[h=4]—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)[/h]

• #1785.
• ε᾿ντολη´
• entolē; from 1781; an injunction, order, command:—
• NASB - command(2), commanded*(1), commandment(38), commandments(23), instructions(1), orders(1), requirement(1).

 

[Hoffco]

Please keep in mind that God has always saved His "chosen", "elect" the same way "By grace, through faith ,unto good works". This is the mystery kept secret for ages and revealed in Christ. Col. 1:26-27 This is GOD'S ETERNAl COV. of GRACE", ROM. 8:29-30 Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Hizikyah]

Yep that's what Christ done...He magnified the law to its true level...where all where made guilty....and He told them do not think that I will accuse you...there is one who accuses you, Moses in whom you trust.

Jesus says:

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

 

[Mitspa]

Command, precept, Instruction, Law, Torah, Commandment, all semantics, what ever the Most High says to do is what a follower should do. If you want to get into language, you would know "Law" is not even a accurate word in the Old Testament, Torah means Instructions, not Law, but the word "Law" is so much more "stern and unforgiving" while the word "Instructions" is "more personal" Why did they not accurately translated it "Instructions?" I understand different people have different views on what should be read and obeyed, that is each individuals choice, but I would personally urge people to seek Scripture, not someone vaguely using true Scriptural principles, without posting Scripture, to "defeat" Scripture that is posted....

I ask you of one Scriptural principle., can you confirm your doctrine in the mouth of 2 or 3 witness in Scripture? Can you confirm your doctrine with the words of Jesus?

1785. entolé

Strong's Concordance

entolé: an injunction, order, command​

Original Word: ἐντολή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: entolé
Phonetic Spelling: (en-tol-ay')
Short Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command
Definition: an ordinance, injunction, command, law.


#1785 ἐντολή entole {en-tol-ay'} from G1781; TDNT - 2:545,234; n f
—Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)


1) an order, command, charge, precept, injunction 1a) that which is prescribed to one by reason of his office 2) a commandment 2a) a prescribed rule in accordance with which a thing is done 2a1) a precept relating to lineage, of the Mosaic precept concerning the priesthood 2a2) ethically used of the commandments in the Mosaic law or Jewish tradition
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From G1781; injunction, that is, an authoritative prescription:—commandment, precept.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

• #1785.
• ε᾿ντολη´
• entolē; from 1781; an injunction, order, command:—
• NASB - command(2), commanded*(1), commandment(38), commandments(23), instructions(1), orders(1), requirement(1).

Right entole is not ever translated as "law" whoever did that is trying to deceive others

 

[Mitspa]

Jesus says:

John 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Mattithyah 7:23, "But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."

iniquity is:#0458 anomia {an-om-ee'-ah} from G0459

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) the condition of without law
1a) because ignorant of it
1b) because of violating it
2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

Matt 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

John 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Right...we obey the New Testament written in His Blood ...and He said He fulfilled all the law and it has passed away.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes that's Gods Spirit and Gods love...not the law of Moses...not the written code of law

It is the Creator's Law He Commanded. Im not preaching Sacrifice (for the record) Sacrifice has already been done in Messiah work as the Passover Lamb, He is now High Priest and all those Laws for priests are HIS DUTY and He clearly says;
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Tell me this, why is the "world devoured" in THIS end time prophecy?

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Matt 24:12-13, "And because iniquity (#G0458 Lawlessness) will abound, the love of the many will grow cold. But he who endures until the end, the same will be saved.And this message of the Kingdom will be preached to all the world and then the end will come."

 

[Hizikyah]

Right...we obey the New Testament written in His Blood ...and He said He fulfilled all the law and it has passed away.

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

 

[Mitspa]

It is the Creator's Law He Commanded. Im not preaching Sacrifice (for the record) Sacrifice has already been done in Messiah work as the Passover Lamb, He is now High Priest and all those Laws for priests are HIS DUTY and He clearly says;
Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Malakyah 4:1-4,"For, behold, the day comes that will burn like an oven; and all the proud, yes, and all who do wickedly, will be stubble--the day that comes will burn them up, says Yahweh of hosts; and it will leave them neither root nor branch. But for you who reverence My Name, the light of righteousness will arise with healing in its wings; and you will go out, leaping like calves released from the stall. And you will tread down the wicked; for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I will do this, says Yahweh of hosts. Remember the Law of Mosheh My servant, which I commanded through him in Horeb for all Israyl, with the statutes and judgments."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though Yahweh's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Israyl who belongs to Israyl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are Yahweh's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Tell me this, why is the "world devoured" in THIS end time prophecy?

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Matt 24:12-13, "And because iniquity (#G0458 Lawlessness) will abound, the love of the many will grow cold. But he who endures until the end, the same will be saved.And this message of the Kingdom will be preached to all the world and then the end will come."

So part of the law has passed away? I thought Jesus said none would pass until it was all fulfilled? And Paul said you have to keep ALL THINGS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW to be justified by the law..

 

[Mitspa]

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled


Now either He fulfilled it all..or none of it...this is not very hard to figure out...if your honest?

 

[Hizikyah]

Tell me this, why is the "world devoured" in THIS end time prophecy?

Isayah 24:1-6, "Behold, Yahweh makes the earth empty and makes it waste, perverts the face of it and scatters abroad its inhabitants; And it will be: as with the people, so with the priest; as with the servant, so with his owner; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower; as with him who takes usury, so with him who gives usury to him: The land will be utterly emptied and utterly plundered, for Yahweh has spoken this word. The earth mourns and fades away, the world mourns and fades away, and the haughty people of the earth languish. The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Matt 24:12-13, "And because iniquity (#G0458 Lawlessness) will abound, the love of the many will grow cold. But he who endures until the end, the same will be saved.And this message of the Kingdom will be preached to all the world and then the end will come."

If there has been a changed, why did the Savior think people,. His people He is warning, would be keeping the Sabbath if it was done away?

Matt 24:22, "But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, nor on the Sabbath Day, For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning of the world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."

Isayah 24 5-6 "The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants of it, because they have transgressed the Laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant. Because of this, the curse has devoured the earth, and they who dwell therein are desolate; therefore, the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left."

Psalm 89:26-37, "He will call out to Me; You are my Father, O Yahweh! You are the Rock of my salvation! And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish his Seed forever, and his throne will be as the days of heaven. Should his children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change the Law that has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness--I cannot lie, and I say to David: His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky."


John (Yahchanan) 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Mattithyah 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Luke 16:17, "But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail."

Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against Yahweh, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of Yahweh, and think to change times and Laws..."

 

[Mitspa]

1Ti 1:5 ¶ Now the end of the commandment is love out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith without hypocrisy:
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;
7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

 

[Hizikyah]

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled


Now either He fulfilled it all..or none of it...this is not very hard to figure out...if your honest?

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets"

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law"

Did heaven and earth pass?

Has the Savior ALREADY fulfilled the prophecy of His 2nd coming?

Unless both of these are yes then the answer is;

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law"

 

[Mitspa]

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets"

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law"

Did heaven and earth pass?

Has the Savior ALREADY fulfilled the prophecy of His 2nd coming?

Unless both of these are yes then the answer is;

"Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law"

Right He fulfilled it "every jot and tittle" and it has passed away for those who are a New Creation in Him.