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I am very curious on what this claim is based upon. This is absurd what you are talking about. It is God the father AND our LORD JESUS CHRIST. One mediator and son of god. One high priest. One advocate. Simply absurd to say there is only one person. The father loves the son and you would say the father loves the father? There is no biblical suport for such an absurdity. To question the person of Jesus Christ makes it impossible to give honor to the father.
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the mediator is the man Jesus Christ that died on the cross not the divinity of Jesus which is the Father Himself.
1st Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I assume that you do not believe Jesus to be God at all seeing how you claim He is the mediator therefore He cannot be the Father.
The verse you quote says there is one God (The Father) and one mediator THE MAN Jesus Christ.
1st Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
I assume that you do not believe Jesus to be God at all seeing how you claim He is the mediator therefore He cannot be the Father.
The verse you quote says there is one God (The Father) and one mediator THE MAN Jesus Christ.
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There is one god and one mediator. The mediator who is god and man for all eternity. The high priest. It is absurd to say the father is the mediator and high priest. Where does this verse say "There is only the father that is god". Is the father eternal man forever and ever? Can the father be under himself? (position) YOu have to view this verse in a biblical context and you cannot claim something like this. I don't see any hint there that supports this (dangerous) doctrine.
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The Father is not the mediator the Son is. The thing is Jesus is both the Father (God) and man (The son) This is exactly what scripture teaching, there is nothing dangerous about the truth.
Now you explain to me who it would be dangerous for someone that except Jesus as there Savior and serves Him, if they believe Jesus is not only fully man but also fully God, how is this dangerous?
Now you explain to me who it would be dangerous for someone that except Jesus as there Savior and serves Him, if they believe Jesus is not only fully man but also fully God, how is this dangerous?
Jhn 17:11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We [are].
Jhn 17:21that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
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Jhn 17:11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We [are].
Jhn 17:21that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
John 17:1-3
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Jesus tell us that the Father is the only true God. So where does that leave the Son or the Holy Spirit if they are not the same being as the Father?
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Jhn 17:11Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We [are].
Jhn 17:21that they all may be one, as You, Father, [are] in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.
I think that right there should be proof enough.
There are three distinct separate IDENTITIES, with three SEPARATE ROLES, but ONE GOD WHO IS ALL THREE.
Yes this is quite hard to comprehend, but really since God is Omnipresent, its not really even a stretch of the imagination that such is possible.
Im not taking anyone's side here, just stating what I believe.
In scripture for example, Jesus states "Whoever believes in me shall have everlasting life"
...Why would belief in anything other than the ONE TRUE GOD grant you everlasting life?
There is the Father in Heaven, The Holy Spirit (God in Us), and Jesus (God in the Flesh).
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Since I generally agree with the trinitarian point of view, I disagree with onwingsaseagles so I hate to give him/her more ammunition, but I have often wondered about this verse and am suprised onwings has not used it yet.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given: and the government shall be on his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
The Hebrews used the term father in a great variety of senses - as a literal father, a grandfather, an ancestor, a ruler, an instructor. The phrase may either mean the same as the Eternal Father, and the sense will be, that the Messiah will not, as must be the ease with an earthly king, however excellent, leave his people destitute after a short reign, but will rule over them and bless them forever (Hengstenberg); or it may be used in accordance with a custom usual in Hebrew and in Arabic, where he who possesses a thing is called the father of it.
Thus, the father of strength means strong; the father of knowledge, intelligent; the father of glory, glorious; the father of goodness, good; the father of peace, peaceful. According to this, the meaning of the phrase, the Father of eternity, is properly eternal. The application of the word here is derived from this usage. The term Father is not applied to the Messiah here with any reference to the distinction in the divine nature, for that word is uniformly, in the Scriptures, applied to the first, not to the second person of the Trinity. But it is used in reference to durations, as a Hebraism involving high poetic beauty. lie is not merely represented as everlasting, but he is introduced, by a strong figure, as even the Father of eternity. as if even everlasting duration owed itself to his paternity. There could not be a more emphatic declaration of strict and proper eternity. It may be added, that this attribute is often applied to the Messiah in the New Testament; Joh_8:58; Col_1:17; Rev_1:11, Rev_1:17-18; Heb_1:10-11; Joh_1:1-2.
Thus, the father of strength means strong; the father of knowledge, intelligent; the father of glory, glorious; the father of goodness, good; the father of peace, peaceful. According to this, the meaning of the phrase, the Father of eternity, is properly eternal. The application of the word here is derived from this usage. The term Father is not applied to the Messiah here with any reference to the distinction in the divine nature, for that word is uniformly, in the Scriptures, applied to the first, not to the second person of the Trinity. But it is used in reference to durations, as a Hebraism involving high poetic beauty. lie is not merely represented as everlasting, but he is introduced, by a strong figure, as even the Father of eternity. as if even everlasting duration owed itself to his paternity. There could not be a more emphatic declaration of strict and proper eternity. It may be added, that this attribute is often applied to the Messiah in the New Testament; Joh_8:58; Col_1:17; Rev_1:11, Rev_1:17-18; Heb_1:10-11; Joh_1:1-2.
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