Sorry, I must disagree with both you and ken. I think both Jesus and the rest of the authors of the Scriptures taught that one can (CAN) "fall" away,OR, "come short of" / from common (COMMON) grace; But not from saving (SAVING) grace. Many "Calvinists" hate the term, "common grace" but in practice still admit to it. They correctly say "the person was never saved in the fist place, if they were, they would never have fallen away." which might be true, (CORRECT) OR might not be true. Paul speaks of some whom God killed in 1Cor., so they would not be condemned with the world,(the lost). Therefore, when a professed"christian" dies, suddenly, "before their time", naturally speaking, maybe an accident, we are not sure of their heart condition before God, ie. someone in sin, dying suddenly, maybe they were saved\, maybe not. WHY, do I argue this way? Because the Bible is very dogmatic, that Those whom God has elected to salvation, will be saved and will never lose their salvation. We all know the verses that teach this fact, if you don't, you need to read your Bible more clearly . Love to all, Hoffco